Will Verizon soon overtake Cingular as Number One ?

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In <[email protected]> on 4 Dec 2004 23:01:17
-0800, [email protected] (XFF) wrote:

>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
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>> In <[email protected]> on 4 Dec 2004 11:17:34 -0800, [email protected] (XFF) wrote:
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>> >John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
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>> >> Your ignorance is showing again: Cingular with ATTWS is ahead of Verizon in
>> >> both 2.5G (widespread EDGE deployment) and 3G (UMTS deployment).
>> >
>> >How do figure that? VZW has sixteen 3G markets live (total POPS 69.3
>> >M) and Cingular has six 3G markets live (total POPS 22.2 M). How does
>> >that put Cingular ahead?
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>> Widespread deployment of EDGE, and significant availability of UMTS.
>
>"Significant availability of UMTS"? UMTS is available in 6 markets to
>22.2 M POPS. Compared to 1xEV-DO which is available in 16 markets to
>69.3 M POPS

Neither technology has anything like nationwide reach. It's been a see-saw
race that will continue through 2005.

>I still fail to see how exactly that puts Cingular ahead.
>By my math your "significant availability" is less than 1/3 of what
>VZW offers, but according to you that puts Cingular ahead, right?

To be clear, my meaning was and is that Cingular is "ahead" of Verizon with
regard to "both" offerings taken together, not necessarily each offering taken
alone, primarily based on the widespread availability of EDGE, as well as the
much lower cost of unlimited data with Cingular.

>> >> Verizon has no control over the plans of regional carriers, many (most?) of
>> >> which are migrating from TDMA/AMPS to GSM.
>> >
>> >I'd like to see some research and data that shows the numbers of
>> >carriers migrating to CDMA and those migrating to GSM.
>>
>> Go for it.
>
>This is by no means scientific, but a quick count of GSM versus CDMA
>carriers on roamer1's site
>(http://www.roamer1.org/wireless/digital.html) ...

Indeed -- it's meaningless.

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John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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It doesn't matter whether Verizon or Cingular is larger. It is like the
fight going in Asia about which country has the world's largest skyscraper
on a given week.

The mega carriers have advantages and some disadvantages. Both carriers are
now so huge that they will be competing on a relatively level field. In my
mind the big issue for Cingular is that they just swallowed a huge fish.
How much has it tapped into their infrastructure build out.

Additionally, GSM is the new kid on the block in the US. As a new
technology, it is spreading like wildfire, but it still has catchup to play.
Additionally, GSM basically doesn't have fallback to older technologies.
(As a I side note, I know about GAIT and the one Siemens hybrid, but these
phones represent a minority of the phones used by the users and don't have
the data connectivity).

My opinion right now is that users of either company should stand pat for a
little while, let their contracts laps, and reevaluate the situation in a
year. Then they can vote with their feet.

Stu

"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've long been saying: "Look at the numbers" Verizon is growing so fast
> that it will be less than 2 years before they again become number one in
> number of subscribers, and overtake Cingular which will (and is) have
> trouble integrating in AT&T Wireless, witness the the switch of AT&T
> stores to selling only Cingular plans, that lasted all of one day.
>
> Now I have a URL for Navas who insist that his beloved Cingular will
> stay number one.
>
> " Several analysts and industry experts have said the combined company
> might not hold its lead for long, as both Cingular and AT&T Wireless
> have suffered from high customer defections, also known as churn, this
> year. "
>
> <http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...u=/nm/20041201
> /bs_nm/telecoms_cingular_outlook_dc&sid=95573419>