Compare V551 to RAZR

John N. (and others),

I just picked up a RAZR and, although it's cool looking, I don't know if
it's $500.00 worth of COOL. I'm not particularly impressed with the manual
or availability of accessories, software, etc. I thought I saw a recent
post that indicated you had both handsets. Your thoughts?

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In article <[email protected]>,
"Joe Fabeitz" <[email protected]> wrote:

> John N. (and others),
>
> I just picked up a RAZR and, although it's cool looking, I don't know if
> it's $500.00 worth of COOL. I'm not particularly impressed with the manual
> or availability of accessories, software, etc. I thought I saw a recent
> post that indicated you had both handsets. Your thoughts?

You're paying the price of being on the BLEEDING EDGE of technology.

However I see folks on eBay selling a genuine Motorola Car charger
for the V3, SYN0768 for reasonable prices.

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:13:37
-0500, "Joe Fabeitz" <[email protected]> wrote:

>John N. (and others),
>
>I just picked up a RAZR and, although it's cool looking, I don't know if
>it's $500.00 worth of COOL. I'm not particularly impressed with the manual
>or availability of accessories, software, etc. I thought I saw a recent
>post that indicated you had both handsets. Your thoughts?

I have used the V551 extensively. I've seen the RAZR, but haven't actually
used it. My big objection to the RAZR (other than price) is the lack of EDGE.

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 02 Dec
2004 13:19:41 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> "Joe Fabeitz" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> John N. (and others),
>>
>> I just picked up a RAZR and, although it's cool looking, I don't know if
>> it's $500.00 worth of COOL. I'm not particularly impressed with the manual
>> or availability of accessories, software, etc. I thought I saw a recent
>> post that indicated you had both handsets. Your thoughts?
>
>You're paying the price of being on the BLEEDING EDGE of technology.

Except you don't get EDGE (high-speed data), an unfortunate omission in a
bleeding edge product.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Thu, 02 Dec
> 2004 13:19:41 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Joe Fabeitz" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> John N. (and others),
> >>
> >> I just picked up a RAZR and, although it's cool looking, I don't know if
> >> it's $500.00 worth of COOL. I'm not particularly impressed with the manual
> >> or availability of accessories, software, etc. I thought I saw a recent
> >> post that indicated you had both handsets. Your thoughts?
> >
> >You're paying the price of being on the BLEEDING EDGE of technology.
>
> Except you don't get EDGE (high-speed data), an unfortunate omission in a
> bleeding edge product.

You get GPRS which in real world tests is at least half as fast as EDGE,
and falls within "high-Speed data" definitions.

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 02 Dec
2004 20:37:05 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Except you don't get EDGE (high-speed data), an unfortunate omission in a
>> bleeding edge product.
>
>You get GPRS which in real world tests is at least half as fast as EDGE,
>and falls within "high-Speed data" definitions.

Wrong (as usual) on both counts:

1. In extensive real-world testing (see my posts), GPRS is 40-50 Kbps,
whereas EDGE is 110-180 Kbps, typically 2.5-3x faster than GPRS.

2. GPRS is about the same as a V.90 modem, which doesn't really qualify as
"high-speed data," whereas EDGE is roughly comparable to (and often better
than) ISDN.

I doubt that you have much (if any) experience with either, which helps to
explain your ignorance.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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* Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. <[email protected]>
* Newsgroup alt.cellular.cingular
* Reply to: All; "John Navas" <[email protected]>
* Date:Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:32:43 -0500
* Subj:Re: Re: Compare V551 to RAZR
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JN>[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

JN>In <[email protected]> on
JN>Thu, 02 Dec
JN>2004 20:37:05 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
JN>Wrong (as usual) on both counts:

JN>1. In extensive real-world testing (see my posts), GPRS is 40-50
Kbps,
JN>whereas EDGE is 110-180 Kbps, typically 2.5-3x faster than GPRS.

JN>2. GPRS is about the same as a V.90 modem, which doesn't really
JN>qualify as "high-speed data," whereas EDGE is roughly comparable to
(and
JN>often better than) ISDN.

JN>I doubt that you have much (if any) experience with either,
JN>which helps to explain your ignorance.

While that would explain Phillipe's ignorance of cellular data
technology, what explains his ignorance of everything else?

--
Jack

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:36:42 -0500, "Jack D. Russell, Sr."
<[email protected]> said in alt.cellular.cingular:

>JN>I doubt that you have much (if any) experience with either,
>JN>which helps to explain your ignorance.

>While that would explain Phillipe's ignorance of cellular data
>technology, what explains his ignorance of everything else?

Lack of experience with everything else?

Al Klein wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:13:37 -0500, "Joe Fabeitz" <[email protected]> said
> in alt.cellular.cingular:
>
>> I just picked up a RAZR and, although it's cool looking, I don't
>> know if it's $500.00 worth of COOL.
>
> Someone's ripping someone off. Or are you talking about buying one
> outright?
>

That's what they cost. Have you seen them advertised more cheaply?


--
David G.

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:09:30 GMT, John Navas <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Except you don't get EDGE (high-speed data), an unfortunate omission in a
>bleeding edge product.

Most people could care less?

We're talking a little dinky screen on a cellphone, not a 22" monitor.

A cellphone does not need high bandwidth. Cellphones aren't used to view
DivX movies, bittorrent LINUX ISOs or run FTP servers. They are used to
transfer text messages and grab NFL scores.

GPRS is more than most people will ever need in 2004 and 2005.

On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:23:42 -0500, "David G."
<david_please_dont_email_me@i_hate_spam.com> said in
alt.cellular.cingular:

>Al Klein wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:13:37 -0500, "Joe Fabeitz" <[email protected]> said
>> in alt.cellular.cingular:
>>
>>> I just picked up a RAZR and, although it's cool looking, I don't
>>> know if it's $500.00 worth of COOL.
>>
>> Someone's ripping someone off. Or are you talking about buying one
>> outright?
>>
>
>That's what they cost. Have you seen them advertised more cheaply?

I'm a dealer, so I know what I can afford to sell them for. $500 with
one year? Two years?

Al Klein wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:23:42 -0500, "David G."
> <david_please_dont_email_me@i_hate_spam.com> said in
> alt.cellular.cingular:
>
>> Al Klein wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:13:37 -0500, "Joe Fabeitz" <[email protected]>
>>> said in alt.cellular.cingular:
>>>
>>>> I just picked up a RAZR and, although it's cool looking, I don't
>>>> know if it's $500.00 worth of COOL.
>>>
>>> Someone's ripping someone off. Or are you talking about buying one
>>> outright?
>>>
>>
>> That's what they cost. Have you seen them advertised more cheaply?
>
> I'm a dealer, so I know what I can afford to sell them for. $500 with
> one year? Two years?

I don't understand your answer. All I'm saying is all the ads for the
phone I've seen are for a 2-year contract at $499 (which supposedly is
$100 off). What are you saying?

--
David G.

In article <[email protected]>,
"David G." <david_please_dont_email_me@i_hate_spam.com> wrote:

> Al Klein wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:23:42 -0500, "David G."
> > <david_please_dont_email_me@i_hate_spam.com> said in
> > alt.cellular.cingular:
> >
> >> Al Klein wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:13:37 -0500, "Joe Fabeitz" <[email protected]>
> >>> said in alt.cellular.cingular:
> >>>
> >>>> I just picked up a RAZR and, although it's cool looking, I don't
> >>>> know if it's $500.00 worth of COOL.
> >>>
> >>> Someone's ripping someone off. Or are you talking about buying one
> >>> outright?
> >>>
> >>
> >> That's what they cost. Have you seen them advertised more cheaply?
> >
> > I'm a dealer, so I know what I can afford to sell them for. $500 with
> > one year? Two years?
>
> I don't understand your answer. All I'm saying is all the ads for the
> phone I've seen are for a 2-year contract at $499 (which supposedly is
> $100 off). What are you saying?

It's hard to tell with any phone. V600's were going for $400 when they
first came out, and for Free at the end of their run.

Cingular is entitled to sell a new "hot" phone for whatever they want.
If the price seems too high to you, fine, you're entitled not to buy it.
You're entitled to buy a T-Mobile phone instead to use on T-Mobile, or
an unlocked phone from Hong-Kong via eBay. That's how the free market
works, you have choices. There are long lines and shortages for things
where prices are kept artificially low, and major surpluses where prices
are too high. If you don't see boxes of v3 piled up in the corner of the
store, the price is not too high at this point in time. In a Communist
state, the one state cellular company might have one model phone at one
price, and that would be it.

In article <[email protected]>,
Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:23:42 -0500, "David G."
> <david_please_dont_email_me@i_hate_spam.com> said in
> alt.cellular.cingular:
>
> >Al Klein wrote:
> >> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:13:37 -0500, "Joe Fabeitz" <[email protected]> said
> >> in alt.cellular.cingular:
> >>
> >>> I just picked up a RAZR and, although it's cool looking, I don't
> >>> know if it's $500.00 worth of COOL.
> >>
> >> Someone's ripping someone off. Or are you talking about buying one
> >> outright?
> >>
> >
> >That's what they cost. Have you seen them advertised more cheaply?
>
> I'm a dealer, so I know what I can afford to sell them for. $500 with
> one year? Two years?

The price was $499.99, now its $499.99 reduced from $599.99.

"Offer for MOTOROLA RAZR V3 is only valid for orders placed on
Cingular.com. $100 savings is based on discount from Motorola Razr V3
suggested retail price of $599.99. Retail pricing of Motorola Razr V3
may vary by market.

California customers: Sales tax is calculated based on the retail price
of the Motorola Razr V3 phone."

"Joe Fabeitz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> John N. (and others),
>
> I just picked up a RAZR and, although it's cool looking, I don't know if
> it's $500.00 worth of COOL. I'm not particularly impressed with the manual
> or availability of accessories, software, etc. I thought I saw a recent
> post that indicated you had both handsets. Your thoughts?
>
>

You paid $500 for a cell phone? Have you lost your mind? What is it going to
do that your present phone doesn't? It probably cost $75 to get it made
overseas.