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- 12-20-2004, 10:25 PM #16JerGuest
Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes
Al Klein wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:16:03 -0600, Jer <[email protected]> said in
> alt.cellular.cingular:
>
>
>>Someone ported outside their local area? How is this possible?
>
>
> I just did that the other day. Four blue-to-orange ports. (AT&T to
> Cingular, even though they call it "migration", not porting.) The
> numbers are NY, the address of record is Florida. They did require a
> Primary Place of Use (local) address, but snowbirds have 2 primary
> addresses.
>
> Not exactly the same thing, but close.
Oh, okay, yeah... not the same thing. The blue to orange migration plan
is an advantage of volunteering your blue service contracts to be
converted (migrated) to the orange books, and included contract
provisions will be honoured until their natural end - but, after that,
I'm told it won't be renewable as it stands today. With some luck,
maybe orange will change things and your current provisions will be
offered under an original orange contract by then. Cross your fingers.
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jer
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- 12-21-2004, 06:05 AM #17KevGuest
Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes
You will have a problem once the merger is complete. ATT WS allowed
family plans to have different region numbers so long as at least some
calls were made from the billing area code over the course of the year.
They recognized that parents have kids in college and in the military
and they are often in differing parts of the country. I have had both
312 Chicago and 404 Atlanta numbers on my plans. I have been informed
that, once the merger is complete, this arrangement will no longer be
acceptable. All family plan phones must be on the same area codes and
such codes must match the physical billing address. In addition a
certain percentage of calls must be made from your home area every
month to continue with a plan so even if I put my son's 312 on 404,
since he only comes home at Christmas and summer, we still won't
qualify.
- 12-21-2004, 06:08 AM #18KevGuest
Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes
Awww but they also require that a certain percentage of your calls be
made from the home area every month too.
The thing they require is the same service area for all phones on the
plan, but what's the diff? Even if I send it to my brother on the other
coast, there's no long distance, no roaming, and free mobile to mobile.
So what does HE care what the area code is? The area code of the
phone doesn't matter anymore!! Free nights
- 12-21-2004, 06:12 AM #19KevGuest
Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes
Not yet but more and more wirelines are following in cellular's steps
and becoming one price for all. My home phone has both unlimited local
and long distance for the USA and Canada on it.
Oh yes they do! If the exchange your number is in is not local to
your caller they may pay a toll charge to call you. The whole US is
not one local calling area yet!
- 12-21-2004, 10:07 PM #20Al KleinGuest
Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:25:03 -0600, Jer <[email protected]> said in
alt.cellular.cingular:
>Oh, okay, yeah... not the same thing. The blue to orange migration plan
>is an advantage of volunteering your blue service contracts to be
>converted (migrated) to the orange books, and included contract
>provisions will be honoured until their natural end
Nope. Blue to orange gives you an orange contract. It cancels the
blue contract, but with no ETF.
- 12-22-2004, 08:32 AM #21JerGuest
Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes
Al Klein wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:25:03 -0600, Jer <[email protected]> said in
> alt.cellular.cingular:
>
>
>>Oh, okay, yeah... not the same thing. The blue to orange migration plan
>>is an advantage of volunteering your blue service contracts to be
>>converted (migrated) to the orange books, and included contract
>>provisions will be honoured until their natural end
>
>
> Nope. Blue to orange gives you an orange contract. It cancels the
> blue contract, but with no ETF.
I don't think that's entirely true from what I've heard from others that
have come over to the orange side - they're still blue under that new
coat of paint.
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jer
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- 12-22-2004, 10:16 PM #22Al KleinGuest
Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:32:25 -0600, Jer <[email protected]> said in
alt.cellular.cingular:
>I don't think that's entirely true from what I've heard from others that
>have come over to the orange side - they're still blue under that new
>coat of paint.
I've handed people their new orange contracts.
- 12-22-2004, 11:57 PM #23JerGuest
Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes
Al Klein wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:32:25 -0600, Jer <[email protected]> said in
> alt.cellular.cingular:
>
>
>>I don't think that's entirely true from what I've heard from others that
>>have come over to the orange side - they're still blue under that new
>>coat of paint.
>
>
> I've handed people their new orange contracts.
I'm sure you have. My curiosity reared it's ugly head again this
morning, so I snooped for more info. Turns out this guy's new orange
service is part of a national account, which according to him, is
managed by someone in Atlanta. Since there are +800 employees with
service in his company, I suppose they get to keep certain advantages.
--
jer
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- 12-23-2004, 04:12 PM #24RonGuest
Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes
No, you're missing the point.
Free roaming, free long distance, free mobile to mobile and free nights
and weekends.
That means if I take an "extra" phone on a Florida "family" plan, mail
it to my brother in California, sure it has a Florida number, but it
doesn't matter because the calls from either phone to the other are
free, and all calls my brother places are just as if he were here...no
roaming, nights, weekends or mobile charges. Plus if he DOES use the
phone during daytime, I have plenty of minutes. Not a bad deal for $10
a month!
The costs to provide such a plan is not my problem. If the phone
company offers the plan, they have to expect that some will subscribe to
it. If Cingular loses money on me and my brother, I won't lose a wink
of sleep over it. Provisioning? Back-hauling? Not my problems!!
"Everybody" that calls me or my brother does so from a cell phone.
Those few who don't have a wireless plan will have plenty of money to
pay the horrific three cents a minute to dial long distance from a
wire-line phone.
But if me and my brother "bring down" the cingular system by using the
plan as described, my apologies to all of you for our greed.
Should we NOT buy the $1 double cheeseburgers at McD's? They do lose
money on these, and it could wreck it for all McD customers, ya know!!!!!!
Greedily, (it's the spirit of the season!)
Ron!
Jer wrote:
> Ron wrote:
>
>> Are there still any cell plans that charge extra for Long Distance?
>
>
> Of course there are, we just don't hear much about them because those
> plans aren't the focus of current media marketing.
>
>>
>> As for wireline people, I don't think they charge wireline calls to
>> cell, no matter where the cell area code is, or where the cell is, for
>> that matter. Does anybody actually make calls from their wireline
>> phones anymore??
>
>
> 'skuze me? Where'd you get the idea that wireline carriers don't charge
> for calling cell phones? If the call is long distance, a long distance
> bill will follow - assuming the call was outside your current service
> contract allowances.
>
> And yes, I make most of my calls from a landline. My cell is only for
> times when I'm away. In fact, my cell number isn't even known by most
> people because I prefer they use only one number to contact me. When
> I'm away, the landline calls forward to my cell.
>
>>
>> In an area where lots of people move here, many have area codes from
>> "back home" and nobody cares. It doesn't cost any different to deal
>> with my friends with "foreign" (out of state) phone area codes.
>
>
> Someone ported outside their local area? How is this possible?
>
>
>>
>> Besides, where can you get any cell plan for $9 a month that includes
>> free nights, weekends, and mobile to mobile before you use ANY of the
>> family minutes. Adding a phone on Family Plan is worth it just for
>> the mobile-to-mobile with that distant family member!! I bet you're
>> spending more than $9 a month without it for JUST THOSE calls!!
>
>
> I wouldn't know, I never see a bill.
>
>
>>
>> As to the fact that a cellular carrier might spend more to transport
>> the calls if one of the family phones is (always) out of town is THEIR
>> problem, not mine. They shouldn't have offered (FREE) nationwide
>> mobile-to-mobile if they didn't want me to use it!
>
>
> Of course they want you to use it, just don't think your LD use is free
> to your carrier. It's not. At one time, wireline carriers were
> chastised by regulators for using LD billing to cover part of the local
> service costs (among other things), and they responded by lowering LD
> prices and raising local prices. The 'poor person' backlash was severe,
> but it didn't make any difference - and now you also know where all
> those tack on fees come from. There is no free lunch, never has been.
>
>
> I hope my comments here have begun to relieve some of your cluelessness.
>
>
- 12-23-2004, 04:16 PM #25RonGuest
Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes
> The whole US is not one local calling area yet!
On my cell phone to another at&t/cingular phone, and to ALL USA phones
after 7pm and on the weekends, the whole USA is an UNLIMITED FREE LOCAL
calling area. Well, it's not free, because I pay about a hundred
dollars for the plan, including data, taxes, insurances, etc.
=Ron!
- 12-23-2004, 11:34 PM #26JerGuest
Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes
Ron wrote:
> No, you're missing the point.
>
> Free roaming, free long distance, free mobile to mobile and free nights
> and weekends.
>
> That means if I take an "extra" phone on a Florida "family" plan, mail
> it to my brother in California, sure it has a Florida number, but it
> doesn't matter because the calls from either phone to the other are
> free, and all calls my brother places are just as if he were here...no
> roaming, nights, weekends or mobile charges. Plus if he DOES use the
> phone during daytime, I have plenty of minutes. Not a bad deal for $10
> a month!
>
> The costs to provide such a plan is not my problem.
Excuse me? Where do you get off believing it's not your problem? Let
me elucidate by quoting an TOS excerpt from the Family Plan page of
Cingular.com
To wit:
"Cingular reserves the right to terminate your service if less than 50%
of your usage over three consecutive billing cycles is on Cingular-owned
systems. Customer must (1) use a Cingular GSM dual-band handset
programmed with Cingular Wireless’ preferred roaming database; (2) have
a mailing address and live in the Home Area in which subscription is
made. [...] In the event that the conditions of the Plan as described
above are violated, Cingular may move subscriber to another calling plan
or terminate customer’s service."
Since you have a plan, you also have a contract which you ascribed your
signature to attest your agreement to the above Terms of Service.
Look, I ain't try to be all up in your business, so you're right, it's
not your problem. Yet.
> If the phone
> company offers the plan, they have to expect that some will subscribe to
> it. If Cingular loses money on me and my brother, I won't lose a wink
> of sleep over it. Provisioning? Back-hauling? Not my problems!!
>
> "Everybody" that calls me or my brother does so from a cell phone. Those
> few who don't have a wireless plan will have plenty of money to pay the
> horrific three cents a minute to dial long distance from a wire-line phone.
>
> But if me and my brother "bring down" the cingular system by using the
> plan as described, my apologies to all of you for our greed.
>
> Should we NOT buy the $1 double cheeseburgers at McD's? They do lose
> money on these, and it could wreck it for all McD customers, ya know!!!!!!
>
> Greedily, (it's the spirit of the season!)
> Ron!
>
>
> Jer wrote:
>
>> Ron wrote:
>>
>>> Are there still any cell plans that charge extra for Long Distance?
>>
>>
>>
>> Of course there are, we just don't hear much about them because those
>> plans aren't the focus of current media marketing.
>>
>>>
>>> As for wireline people, I don't think they charge wireline calls to
>>> cell, no matter where the cell area code is, or where the cell is,
>>> for that matter. Does anybody actually make calls from their
>>> wireline phones anymore??
>>
>>
>>
>> 'skuze me? Where'd you get the idea that wireline carriers don't
>> charge for calling cell phones? If the call is long distance, a long
>> distance bill will follow - assuming the call was outside your current
>> service contract allowances.
>>
>> And yes, I make most of my calls from a landline. My cell is only for
>> times when I'm away. In fact, my cell number isn't even known by most
>> people because I prefer they use only one number to contact me. When
>> I'm away, the landline calls forward to my cell.
>>
>>>
>>> In an area where lots of people move here, many have area codes from
>>> "back home" and nobody cares. It doesn't cost any different to deal
>>> with my friends with "foreign" (out of state) phone area codes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Someone ported outside their local area? How is this possible?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Besides, where can you get any cell plan for $9 a month that includes
>>> free nights, weekends, and mobile to mobile before you use ANY of the
>>> family minutes. Adding a phone on Family Plan is worth it just for
>>> the mobile-to-mobile with that distant family member!! I bet you're
>>> spending more than $9 a month without it for JUST THOSE calls!!
>>
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't know, I never see a bill.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> As to the fact that a cellular carrier might spend more to transport
>>> the calls if one of the family phones is (always) out of town is
>>> THEIR problem, not mine. They shouldn't have offered (FREE)
>>> nationwide mobile-to-mobile if they didn't want me to use it!
>>
>>
>>
>> Of course they want you to use it, just don't think your LD use is
>> free to your carrier. It's not. At one time, wireline carriers were
>> chastised by regulators for using LD billing to cover part of the
>> local service costs (among other things), and they responded by
>> lowering LD prices and raising local prices. The 'poor person'
>> backlash was severe, but it didn't make any difference - and now you
>> also know where all those tack on fees come from. There is no free
>> lunch, never has been.
>>
>>
>> I hope my comments here have begun to relieve some of your cluelessness.
>>
>>
--
jer
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