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  1. #46
    CharlesH
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    Re: Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > "D.J. Osborn" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> "Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> > Jack Zwick wrote:
    >> >
    >> > > and if you were to drive from Mobile, Ala to Los Angeles you wouldnt
    >> > > even have complete coverage on I-10 with Sprint.
    >> >
    >> > And you WOULD have complete coverage with....?

    >>
    >> I believe one would stand a far better chance of coverage with a tri-mode
    >> VZW phone.

    >
    >If you had a plan that allowed Free Analog roaming, yes.


    On VZW, analog has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with roaming charges. A
    given provider in a given area may be included in your rate plan, or
    may incur roaming charges, or may not allow roaming at all. Completely
    independently, a provider may offer only analog, both analog and digital,
    or only digital service. Blame SprintPCS for this bogus ANALOG = ROAMING
    CHARGES misconception, since they used to disable digital roaming on
    their plans.




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  2. #47
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger

    CharlesH wrote:

    > On VZW, analog has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with roaming charges.


    Analog has nothing to do whatsoever with roaming charges even on Sprint these
    days as they add CDMA digital networks to their Preferred Roaming Lists.

    > or only digital service. Blame SprintPCS for this bogus ANALOG = ROAMING
    > CHARGES misconception, since they used to disable digital roaming on
    > their plans.


    Agreed.

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  3. #48
    Isaiah Beard
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    Re: Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger

    D.J. Osborn wrote:
    > Please tell us *exactly* what's wrong with the statement. I believe it's
    > generally accurate.


    How do you expect anyone to tell you *exactly* what is wrong with that
    statement when not even you can exactly quantify it, and the best you
    can do is say it's "generally" accurate?

    The problem with your statement is that it quantifies nothing, except
    your own opinion. There are no hard facts to verify it with.



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  4. #49
    Jack Zwick
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    Re: Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Isaiah Beard <[email protected]> wrote:

    > D.J. Osborn wrote:
    > > Please tell us *exactly* what's wrong with the statement. I believe it's
    > > generally accurate.

    >
    > How do you expect anyone to tell you *exactly* what is wrong with that
    > statement when not even you can exactly quantify it, and the best you
    > can do is say it's "generally" accurate?
    >
    > The problem with your statement is that it quantifies nothing, except
    > your own opinion. There are no hard facts to verify it with.


    Not opinion, just a factutal observation, West of the Mississippi,
    their coverage looks like a spiders web. All you have to do is look at
    their woen map.



  5. #50
    George
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    Re: Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger


    "Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > George wrote:
    >
    > > Sprints coverage is basically a spiders web along the highways.

    >
    > That's a crass over-generalization.



    Not really, have a look at the coverage maps. All you see in most of the
    country is just a narrow ribbon overlaying the interstate highways.


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  6. #51
    Joseph
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    Re: Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger

    On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:47:18 -0800, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Unfortunately, the longstanding
    >T-Mobile/Cingular agreements that allow T-Mobile to use Cingular's network in
    >California means I won't use T-Mobile either.


    I see. Cut off your nose to spite your face, eh?

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  7. #52
    Joseph
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    Re: Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger

    On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:02:27 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >All you have to do is look at
    >their woen map.


    What's a woen?

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  8. #53
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger

    George wrote:

    >>George wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Sprints coverage is basically a spiders web along the highways.

    >>
    >>That's a crass over-generalization.

    >
    > Not really, have a look at the coverage maps. All you see in most of the
    > country is just a narrow ribbon overlaying the interstate highways.


    Which is partially accurate. OTOH, Sprint has outstanding coverage along the
    lake in Lake County, Ohio, and the Lake County (Mentor, Ohio) store didn't even
    show coverage there when I lived in the area and set up service back in 2000.
    And they SHOULD show the lakefront as covered, since I lived in Mentor on the
    Lake and had a Sprint-owned cell tower sitting two minutes from my house, and
    no more than a quarter-mile south of the lake.

    And I had solid coverage in Ashtabula County, Ohio, way off the freeway.

    So, I'd argue that you are correct in MANY cases, but not in ALL cases as
    evidenced by the situation I just described.


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  9. #54
    Philip
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    Re: Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger



    "Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:47:18 -0800, Steve Sobol
    > <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Unfortunately, the longstanding
    >> T-Mobile/Cingular agreements that allow T-Mobile to use Cingular's
    >> network in California means I won't use T-Mobile either.

    >
    > I see. Cut off your nose to spite your face, eh?
    >


    Ugly or handsome, you have to have complimentary components to "look" right.
    ;^)






  10. #55
    Philip
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    Re: Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger



    "Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:02:27 GMT, Jack Zwick
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> All you have to do is look at
    >> their woen map.

    >
    > What's a woen?
    >


    Gonna need to buy consonants and vowels. ;^D Is the an exchange
    allowance?





  11. #56
    Jack Zwick
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    Re: Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:

    > George wrote:
    >
    > >>George wrote:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>Sprints coverage is basically a spiders web along the highways.
    > >>
    > >>That's a crass over-generalization.

    > >
    > > Not really, have a look at the coverage maps. All you see in most of the
    > > country is just a narrow ribbon overlaying the interstate highways.

    >
    > Which is partially accurate. OTOH, Sprint has outstanding coverage along the
    > lake in Lake County, Ohio, and the Lake County (Mentor, Ohio) store didn't
    > even
    > show coverage there when I lived in the area and set up service back in 2000.


    Fine, the exception that proves the rule.



  12. #57
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger

    Jack Zwick wrote:

    > Fine, the exception that proves the rule.


    I'm sure that if you had the balls to actually post this to
    alt.cellular.sprintpcs (which you don't because you don't want to be proven
    wrong), people like me who actually use Sprint every day could give you plenty
    more.

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  13. #58
    D.J. Osborn
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    Re: Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger

    "Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > D.J. Osborn wrote:
    >
    > > Yu *still* haven't told us *exactly* what's wrong with his statement.

    You
    > > can't--because it's generally accurate.

    >
    > Well, I'm sorry I could only pull two examples off the top of my head.

    There
    > are several more.



    Even if you do have "several more," it *still* doesn't change the fact that
    his statement is substantially accurate.

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  14. #59
    D.J. Osborn
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    Re: Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger

    "Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > "Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote (in part):
    > >
    > >
    > >>Verizon supposedly had the largest, most comprehensive network in the

    > >
    > > country
    > >
    > >
    > > When you consider the America's Choice network, they did.

    >
    > Except much of AC isn't theirs. I don't count roaming partners.



    You should--because my phone gives me voice service without any additional
    charge when I'm on the America's Choice network. Moreover, my In-Network
    minutes apply in a much larger coverage area than just the VZW native
    coverage area.

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  15. #60
    John Navas
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    Re: Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:47:18 -0800, Steve
    Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Gee. And association with SBC means so much, eh? Cingular may be a good
    >carrier, but I will never give SBC another cent after the bull**** they pulled
    >on me in Ohio.
    >
    >I'm sure there are many reasons to use Cingular. Being part-owned by SBC
    >definitely isn't one of them. Unfortunately, the longstanding
    >T-Mobile/Cingular agreements that allow T-Mobile to use Cingular's network in
    >California means I won't use T-Mobile either.


    That's short-sighted -- T-Mobile is buying Cingular out of the network joint
    venture.

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