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  1. #1
    Brsmnky007
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    I recently moved from one spot in the city to another and the reception
    at the new apartment is crappy; the most puzzling thing is that the phone
    usually has either 4 or 5 bars showing (out of 5 possible) and still cuts in
    and out and frequently drops calls altogether. I currently have the SE T616
    and I'm wondering if there is another phone that may provide better
    reception at my apartment. Ironically, my apartment is the only spot in the
    city where I've found poor reception.





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  2. #2
    John Navas
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    Re: New Cingular phones with the best reception...

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <FA0xd.9778$I%[email protected]> on Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:37:38 -0600,
    "Brsmnky007" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I recently moved from one spot in the city to another and the reception
    >at the new apartment is crappy; the most puzzling thing is that the phone
    >usually has either 4 or 5 bars showing (out of 5 possible) and still cuts in
    >and out and frequently drops calls altogether. I currently have the SE T616
    >and I'm wondering if there is another phone that may provide better
    >reception at my apartment. Ironically, my apartment is the only spot in the
    >city where I've found poor reception.


    Your phone may be showing signal strength on ATTWS, but be homed on Cingular.
    A possible solution is a phone with ENS and a 64K SIM.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  3. #3
    Jack Zwick
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    Re: New Cingular phones with the best reception...

    In article <FA0xd.9778$I%[email protected]>,
    "Brsmnky007" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I recently moved from one spot in the city to another and the reception
    > at the new apartment is crappy; the most puzzling thing is that the phone
    > usually has either 4 or 5 bars showing (out of 5 possible) and still cuts in
    > and out and frequently drops calls altogether. I currently have the SE T616
    > and I'm wondering if there is another phone that may provide better
    > reception at my apartment. Ironically, my apartment is the only spot in the
    > city where I've found poor reception.


    Problematic. Some manufacturers found they get fewer complaints when
    phones more often show more bars, so the number of bars you show one
    phone versus another means NOTHING.

    Take your phone in to the local Cingular store and have it checked out,
    perhaps the internal antenna lost its connection. On the other hand no
    Cellular carrier makes any promise about indoor reception.



  4. #4
    John Navas
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    Re: New Cingular phones with the best reception...

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Sat, 18 Dec
    2004 23:07:06 GMT, FUDMEISTER Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <FA0xd.9778$I%[email protected]>,
    > "Brsmnky007" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> I recently moved from one spot in the city to another and the reception
    >> at the new apartment is crappy; the most puzzling thing is that the phone
    >> usually has either 4 or 5 bars showing (out of 5 possible) and still cuts in
    >> and out and frequently drops calls altogether. I currently have the SE T616
    >> and I'm wondering if there is another phone that may provide better
    >> reception at my apartment. Ironically, my apartment is the only spot in the
    >> city where I've found poor reception.

    >
    >Problematic. Some manufacturers found they get fewer complaints when
    >phones more often show more bars, so the number of bars you show one
    >phone versus another means NOTHING.


    Nonsense -- while bars do vary a bit between manufacturers, they still give a
    good indication of relative signal strength -- manufacturers aren't lying.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  5. #5
    Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, BLT, MP, PBJ, LSMFT
    Guest

    Re: New Cingular phones with the best reception...


    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >
    > In <FA0xd.9778$I%[email protected]> on Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:37:38 -0600,
    > "Brsmnky007" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> I recently moved from one spot in the city to another and the
    >> reception
    >>at the new apartment is crappy; the most puzzling thing is that the phone
    >>usually has either 4 or 5 bars showing (out of 5 possible) and still cuts
    >>in
    >>and out and frequently drops calls altogether. I currently have the SE
    >>T616
    >>and I'm wondering if there is another phone that may provide better
    >>reception at my apartment. Ironically, my apartment is the only spot in
    >>the
    >>city where I've found poor reception.

    >
    > Your phone may be showing signal strength on ATTWS, but be homed on
    > Cingular.
    > A possible solution is a phone with ENS and a 64K SIM.


    For those of us unenlightened, would you please explain ENS? Secondarily,
    where might one find a 64K SIM for a motorola v400?





  6. #6
    Shaolin Superfly
    Guest

    Re: New Cingular phones with the best reception...


    "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In article <FA0xd.9778$I%[email protected]>,
    > "Brsmnky007" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > I recently moved from one spot in the city to another and the

    reception
    > > at the new apartment is crappy; the most puzzling thing is that the

    phone
    > > usually has either 4 or 5 bars showing (out of 5 possible) and still

    cuts in
    > > and out and frequently drops calls altogether. I currently have the SE

    T616
    > > and I'm wondering if there is another phone that may provide better
    > > reception at my apartment. Ironically, my apartment is the only spot in

    the
    > > city where I've found poor reception.

    >
    > Problematic. Some manufacturers found they get fewer complaints when
    > phones more often show more bars, so the number of bars you show one
    > phone versus another means NOTHING.
    >
    > Take your phone in to the local Cingular store and have it checked out,
    > perhaps the internal antenna lost its connection. On the other hand no
    > Cellular carrier makes any promise about indoor reception.



    Why should he take it to the store? They sell phones there. They aren't a
    service center. Salesmen don't repair phones.

    You wouldn't ask you car salesman to troubleshoot, much less repair, that
    knocking sound coming from under the hood.

    Call 866-Cingular and have the service tech look up coverage and/or possible
    interference in the MTI.

    We do not repair phones at the Cingular store.


    --
    SS





  7. #7
    M. D. Borca
    Guest

    Re: New Cingular phones with the best reception...

    If you go to the cingular.com site and into the section where you may
    search for stores, once you do search for stores, it will display them
    in your area, and if you look closely at the listing, it details which
    stores have "Tech Repair" or "technical support" listed on them, Take
    it to one of those stores, and there will typically be a Technician on
    site which can usually take a look at the phone if it is what you wish
    to do.

    Obviously the stores serve as a bit more than just salesmanship.
    Actually go into a store first please before ASSuming.

    WE do not repair phones @ the cingular store? - so you speak for all
    the CONUS cingular stores? and all of the associates?

    Do not listen to this man, see a tech repair store, be nice with them,
    explain the problem, your solution may be an ENS supporting phone and
    a 64k sim after all. Or they may be able to help you out in another
    way.

    R/


    On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 22:16:34 -0600, "Shaolin Superfly"
    <[email protected]> wrote:


    >Why should he take it to the store? They sell phones there. They aren't a
    >service center. Salesmen don't repair phones.
    >
    >You wouldn't ask you car salesman to troubleshoot, much less repair, that
    >knocking sound coming from under the hood.
    >
    >Call 866-Cingular and have the service tech look up coverage and/or possible
    >interference in the MTI.
    >
    >We do not repair phones at the Cingular store.





  8. #8
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: New Cingular phones with the best reception...

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Shaolin Superfly" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > We do not repair phones at the Cingular store.


    Not even test them? Sprint does.



  9. #9
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: New Cingular phones with the best reception...

    In article <[email protected]>,
    M. D. Borca <[email protected]> wrote:

    > If you go to the cingular.com site and into the section where you may
    > search for stores, once you do search for stores, it will display them
    > in your area, and if you look closely at the listing, it details which
    > stores have "Tech Repair" or "technical support" listed on them, Take
    > it to one of those stores, and there will typically be a Technician on
    > site which can usually take a look at the phone if it is what you wish
    > to do.
    >
    > Obviously the stores serve as a bit more than just salesmanship.
    > Actually go into a store first please before ASSuming.
    >
    > WE do not repair phones @ the cingular store? - so you speak for all
    > the CONUS cingular stores? and all of the associates?
    >
    > Do not listen to this man, see a tech repair store, be nice with them,
    > explain the problem, your solution may be an ENS supporting phone and
    > a 64k sim after all. Or they may be able to help you out in another
    > way.
    >
    > R/


    or he may be in a coverage hole, the type of which is not shown in
    the too small scale coverage maps.



  10. #10
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: New Cingular phones with the best reception...

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <Y64xd.259535$HA.31183@attbi_s01> on Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:41:29 GMT,
    "Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, BLT, MP, PBJ, LSMFT" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...


    >> Your phone may be showing signal strength on ATTWS, but be homed on
    >> Cingular.
    >> A possible solution is a phone with ENS and a 64K SIM.

    >
    >For those of us unenlightened, would you please explain ENS?


    Enhanced Network Services, which extends GSM by making it possible for the
    handset to effectively treat two different networks (ATTWS and Cingular) as
    one combined Home network, so that the other network can be selected even when
    the real Home network has a usable signal. (Without ENS, the handset will
    only select the other network when the real Home network doesn't have a usable
    signal, even when the other network has a better signal or when the real Home
    network has run out of capacity.)

    >Secondarily,
    >where might one find a 64K SIM for a motorola v400?


    Cingular and Cingular resellers.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  11. #11
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: New Cingular phones with the best reception...

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Sun, 19 Dec
    2004 07:18:57 GMT, Jack "Clueless" Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > M. D. Borca <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> If you go to the cingular.com site and into the section where you may
    >> search for stores, once you do search for stores, it will display them
    >> in your area, and if you look closely at the listing, it details which
    >> stores have "Tech Repair" or "technical support" listed on them, Take
    >> it to one of those stores, and there will typically be a Technician on
    >> site which can usually take a look at the phone if it is what you wish
    >> to do.
    >>
    >> Obviously the stores serve as a bit more than just salesmanship.
    >> Actually go into a store first please before ASSuming.
    >>
    >> WE do not repair phones @ the cingular store? - so you speak for all
    >> the CONUS cingular stores? and all of the associates?
    >>
    >> Do not listen to this man, see a tech repair store, be nice with them,
    >> explain the problem, your solution may be an ENS supporting phone and
    >> a 64k sim after all. Or they may be able to help you out in another
    >> way.


    >or he may be in a coverage hole, the type of which is not shown in
    >the too small scale coverage maps.


    With 4-5 bars, he's clearly not in a coverage hole.

    Back to your corner, Chicken Little.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  12. #12
    Jer
    Guest

    Re: New Cingular phones with the best reception...

    John Navas wrote:

    > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >
    > In <Y64xd.259535$HA.31183@attbi_s01> on Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:41:29 GMT,
    > "Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, BLT, MP, PBJ, LSMFT" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]...

    >
    >
    >>>Your phone may be showing signal strength on ATTWS, but be homed on
    >>>Cingular.
    >>>A possible solution is a phone with ENS and a 64K SIM.

    >>
    >>For those of us unenlightened, would you please explain ENS?

    >
    >
    > Enhanced Network Services, which extends GSM by making it possible for the
    > handset to effectively treat two different networks (ATTWS and Cingular) as
    > one combined Home network, so that the other network can be selected even when
    > the real Home network has a usable signal. (Without ENS, the handset will
    > only select the other network when the real Home network doesn't have a usable
    > signal, even when the other network has a better signal or when the real Home
    > network has run out of capacity.)
    >
    >
    >>Secondarily,
    >>where might one find a 64K SIM for a motorola v400?

    >
    >
    > Cingular and Cingular resellers.
    >


    It's not clear to me whether any particular phone (expect for my V551)
    supports ENS. How is one expected to know? Or, can ANY phone support
    ENS, given enough SIM capacity? Shame there's not a webpage somewhere
    with this info on it.

    --
    jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'



  13. #13
    Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, BLT, MP, PBJ, LSMFT
    Guest

    Re: New Cingular phones with the best reception...


    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >


    >>where might one find a 64K SIM for a motorola v400?

    >
    > Cingular and Cingular resellers.


    John, I checked the Cingular site, and there were no 64K sims shown. I
    called the local Cingular store, and they had never heard of such a thing
    (why am I not surprised?).
    Google search revealed 64K sims for all sorts of cell phones but not the
    V400. Thanks for trying, though.

    Micheal.





  14. #14
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: New Cingular phones with the best reception...

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Sun, 19 Dec 2004 07:35:45 -0600, Jer
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >It's not clear to me whether any particular phone (expect for my V551)
    >supports ENS. How is one expected to know?


    Call Customer Care.

    >Or, can ANY phone support
    >ENS, given enough SIM capacity?


    Reportedly not.

    >Shame there's not a webpage somewhere
    >with this info on it.


    I suspect Cingular doesn't want to create confusion in the market -- most
    subscribers don't need to care about ENS.
    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  15. #15
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: New Cingular phones with the best reception...

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <D0ixd.784055$8_6.131262@attbi_s04> on Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:30:31 GMT,
    "Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, BLT, MP, PBJ, LSMFT" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>>where might one find a 64K SIM for a motorola v400?

    >>
    >> Cingular and Cingular resellers.

    >
    >John, I checked the Cingular site, and there were no 64K sims shown. I
    >called the local Cingular store, and they had never heard of such a thing
    >(why am I not surprised?).
    >Google search revealed 64K sims for all sorts of cell phones but not the
    >V400. Thanks for trying, though.


    64K SIMs stated arriving at Cingular dealers and resellers (e.g., Parrot
    Cellular) only recently, and are definitely available here in Northern
    California, albeit not everywhere yet even here. They are also available on
    eBay.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



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