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- 12-19-2004, 03:49 PM #1bampGuest
I've called customer twice trying to buy a 64K sim. Both times they didn't
know what I was talking about (they said). My question is; if I buy a 64K
sim off of Ebay, can I call Cingular customer service and get it activated?
bamp
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- 12-19-2004, 04:12 PM #2WirelessjuanGuest
Re: If I buy a 64K sim
Are you looking to upgrade an exisiting Cingular account or start a new
account?
If you are starting a new account it won't be a problem if you are looking
to upgrade it may be an issue? Of course it depends on the REP that you
talk to. If you get one that won't just hang up and call again. You'll
find one that will do what you're looking to do. They should prefer you to
have the 64K SIM since it handles the service better.
"bamp" <bampatcenturyteldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've called customer twice trying to buy a 64K sim. Both times they didn't
> know what I was talking about (they said). My question is; if I buy a 64K
> sim off of Ebay, can I call Cingular customer service and get it
> activated?
>
> bamp
>
- 12-19-2004, 04:16 PM #3bampGuest
Re: If I buy a 64K sim
It will be an upgrade.
Thanks,
bamp
"Wirelessjuan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:I1nxd.434$L7.1@trnddc05...
> Are you looking to upgrade an exisiting Cingular account or start a new
> account?
>
> If you are starting a new account it won't be a problem if you are looking
> to upgrade it may be an issue? Of course it depends on the REP that you
> talk to. If you get one that won't just hang up and call again. You'll
> find one that will do what you're looking to do. They should prefer you
> to have the 64K SIM since it handles the service better.
>
> "bamp" <bampatcenturyteldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I've called customer twice trying to buy a 64K sim. Both times they
>> didn't know what I was talking about (they said). My question is; if I
>> buy a 64K sim off of Ebay, can I call Cingular customer service and get
>> it activated?
>>
>> bamp
>>
>
>
- 12-19-2004, 05:39 PM #4FredGuest
Re: If I buy a 64K sim
Go into a retail store they sould give you the 64K sim for free.
Fred
"bamp" <bampatcenturyteldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It will be an upgrade.
>
> Thanks,
> bamp
>
>
> "Wirelessjuan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:I1nxd.434$L7.1@trnddc05...
> > Are you looking to upgrade an exisiting Cingular account or start a new
> > account?
> >
> > If you are starting a new account it won't be a problem if you are
looking
> > to upgrade it may be an issue? Of course it depends on the REP that you
> > talk to. If you get one that won't just hang up and call again. You'll
> > find one that will do what you're looking to do. They should prefer you
> > to have the 64K SIM since it handles the service better.
> >
> > "bamp" <bampatcenturyteldotnet> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> I've called customer twice trying to buy a 64K sim. Both times they
> >> didn't know what I was talking about (they said). My question is; if I
> >> buy a 64K sim off of Ebay, can I call Cingular customer service and get
> >> it activated?
> >>
> >> bamp
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
- 12-20-2004, 09:14 AM #5Brsmnky007Guest
Re: If I buy a 64K sim
What exactly is the benefit of a 64k SIM card?
- 12-20-2004, 10:33 AM #6bampGuest
Re: If I buy a 64K sim
"Brsmnky007" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What exactly is the benefit of a 64k SIM card?
I really don't know, I've read pro & con about them here. So when I saw them
on Ebay for $9.99 with free shipping, I thought I'd try one just for grins.
bamp
- 12-20-2004, 07:17 PM #7KevinGuest
Re: If I buy a 64K sim
Hey bamp
So what did you find out about a 64k sim.
Shortly after I upgraded to a Nokia 7190 Matrix phone, I had technical
problems. Cingular SC referred me to the retail store in Tustin, Ca because
the problem was the 16k sim. I bought the 32k sim for $29.00. I still had
the same trouble. It turned out to be the network, and my phone was fine.
"bamp" <bampatcenturyteldotnet> wrote in message
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>
> "Brsmnky007" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> What exactly is the benefit of a 64k SIM card?
> I really don't know, I've read pro & con about them here. So when I saw
> them on Ebay for $9.99 with free shipping, I thought I'd try one just for
> grins.
>
> bamp
>
- 12-20-2004, 08:36 PM #8FredGuest
Re: If I buy a 64K sim
The 64K card is also supposed to hold more technical information for the
phone with the inclusion of the AWS towers.
Fred
"Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hey bamp
> So what did you find out about a 64k sim.
>
> Shortly after I upgraded to a Nokia 7190 Matrix phone, I had technical
> problems. Cingular SC referred me to the retail store in Tustin, Ca
because
> the problem was the 16k sim. I bought the 32k sim for $29.00. I still
had
> the same trouble. It turned out to be the network, and my phone was fine.
>
>
> "bamp" <bampatcenturyteldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Brsmnky007" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> What exactly is the benefit of a 64k SIM card?
> > I really don't know, I've read pro & con about them here. So when I saw
> > them on Ebay for $9.99 with free shipping, I thought I'd try one just
for
> > grins.
> >
> > bamp
> >
>
>
- 12-20-2004, 09:20 PM #9Al KleinGuest
Re: If I buy a 64K sim
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:14:07 -0600, "Brsmnky007"
<[email protected]> said in alt.cellular.cingular:
>What exactly is the benefit of a 64k SIM card?
IF your phone can make use of it, it'll handle both the Cingular and
the AT&T network as home networks. It usually won't make any
difference.
- 12-20-2004, 10:33 PM #10John NavasGuest
Re: If I buy a 64K sim
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In <3joxd.13002$7p.6112@lakeread02> on Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:39:46 -0500, "Fred"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Go into a retail store they sould give you the 64K sim for free.
Not true -- you'll have to buy it.
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
- 12-20-2004, 10:33 PM #11John NavasGuest
Re: If I buy a 64K sim
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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:14:07 -0600,
"Brsmnky007" <[email protected]> wrote:
>What exactly is the benefit of a 64k SIM card?
None unless your phone supports ENS.
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
- 12-20-2004, 10:51 PM #12John NavasGuest
Re: If I buy a 64K sim
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In <B_Lxd.13280$7p.903@lakeread02> on Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:36:22 -0500, "Fred"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The 64K card is also supposed to hold more technical information for the
>phone with the inclusion of the AWS towers.
That is almost certainly an Internet Myth. What it does hold is ENS.
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
- 12-20-2004, 11:06 PM #13JerGuest
Re: If I buy a 64K sim
Brsmnky007 wrote:
> What exactly is the benefit of a 64k SIM card?
>
>
The story is Cingular is starting to use a new network feature called
Extended Network Selection (ENS) which presumably allows a handset to
treat both the orange and blue networks as it's "home" network. The
additional SIM storage is apparently required by the handset to store a
more elaborate set of parameters needed to cooperate within an
ENS-compliant network. Again, this is rumoured to allow the handset to
lock on to an orange tower or a blue tower, whichever offers the better
signal. Without ENS, an orange handset will only consider an orange
signal as "home", completely disregarding any blue signal as "home" even
though it may be better. The ENS customer gains by having a higher
number of "home" signals to draw from, and Cingular gains by improved
balancing of network traffic over both orange and blue networks. It is
my own opinion that somewhere down the line, this distinction between
orange and blue will blur until it disappears altogether, rendering ENS
moot. How many years for that to happen is a crap shoot at this early
stage.
What the additional SIM storage will *not* offer additional storage that
is user accessable, ie. address book entries, media files, messages,
etc. Apparently this additional storage is usable only by the handset
firmware, not the user.
HTH
--
jer
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- 12-21-2004, 03:53 AM #14Johnny RebelGuest
Re: If I buy a 64K sim
"Jer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Brsmnky007 wrote:
>
>> What exactly is the benefit of a 64k SIM card?
>
>
> The story is Cingular is starting to use a new network feature called
> Extended Network Selection (ENS) which presumably allows a handset to
> treat both the orange and blue networks as it's "home" network. The
> additional SIM storage is apparently required by the handset to store a
> more elaborate set of parameters needed to cooperate within an
> ENS-compliant network. Again, this is rumoured to allow the handset to
> lock on to an orange tower or a blue tower, whichever offers the better
> signal. Without ENS, an orange handset will only consider an orange
> signal as "home", completely disregarding any blue signal as "home" even
> though it may be better. The ENS customer gains by having a higher number
> of "home" signals to draw from, and Cingular gains by improved balancing
> of network traffic over both orange and blue networks. It is my own
> opinion that somewhere down the line, this distinction between orange and
> blue will blur until it disappears altogether, rendering ENS moot. How
> many years for that to happen is a crap shoot at this early stage.
>
> What the additional SIM storage will *not* offer additional storage that
> is user accessable, ie. address book entries, media files, messages, etc.
> Apparently this additional storage is usable only by the handset firmware,
> not the user.
>
> HTH
>
> --
> jer
> email reply - I am not a 'ten'
Is the Moto v400 compatible with ENS and can it use the 64K Sim?
Thanks.
- 12-21-2004, 07:42 AM #15JerGuest
Re: If I buy a 64K sim
Johnny Rebel wrote:
> "Jer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Brsmnky007 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What exactly is the benefit of a 64k SIM card?
>>
>>
>>The story is Cingular is starting to use a new network feature called
>>Extended Network Selection (ENS) which presumably allows a handset to
>>treat both the orange and blue networks as it's "home" network. The
>>additional SIM storage is apparently required by the handset to store a
>>more elaborate set of parameters needed to cooperate within an
>>ENS-compliant network. Again, this is rumoured to allow the handset to
>>lock on to an orange tower or a blue tower, whichever offers the better
>>signal. Without ENS, an orange handset will only consider an orange
>>signal as "home", completely disregarding any blue signal as "home" even
>>though it may be better. The ENS customer gains by having a higher number
>>of "home" signals to draw from, and Cingular gains by improved balancing
>>of network traffic over both orange and blue networks. It is my own
>>opinion that somewhere down the line, this distinction between orange and
>>blue will blur until it disappears altogether, rendering ENS moot. How
>>many years for that to happen is a crap shoot at this early stage.
>>
>>What the additional SIM storage will *not* offer additional storage that
>>is user accessable, ie. address book entries, media files, messages, etc.
>>Apparently this additional storage is usable only by the handset firmware,
>>not the user.
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>--
>>jer
>>email reply - I am not a 'ten'
>
>
> Is the Moto v400 compatible with ENS and can it use the 64K Sim?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
That's a question many are now asking and I can't honestly offer a
comprehensive answer. When one looks at various feature lists for any
given phone, ENS isn't listed. So, either the manufacturers aren't
providing the information, or ENS is more a network feature instead of a
phone feature, and any phone with enough SIM storage can be made
ENS-capable via an OTA update. <shrug>
--
jer
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