Cingular Sucks!

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 27 Dec
2004 23:19:21 GMT, "JohnF" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>>Very bad, it is always better to have an email address,
>>>especially when you're dealing with a corporation.
>>
>> I strongly disagree.
>
>Care to elaborate? Or is this just another post where you just have to be
>contrary and can't make up a reason why?

This has already been debated ad nauseum. "Google is your friend."

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 27 Dec 2004
18:28:47 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

><snort>

A true measure of your maturity.

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In <[email protected]> on 27 Dec 2004
15:55:41 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

>RE: ======= WARNING TO CINGULAR 'TAKE CHARGE' CUSTOMERS====
>...

Enough already.

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In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> Enough already.

We say that to you all the time, Navas, but YOU don't pay any
attention...

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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 28 Dec 2004
06:00:13 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Enough already.
>
>We say ...

Would that be the "Royal We?" Crawl back under your rock.

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<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Reply to Scottie tissues,
>
> Do you ever say more than a one sentence non sequitor to serious online
> posts?
>
> Please don't clutter the usenet with your trivialities.
>
> Try to think something out and accomplish more than a goose step.
> Like, jumping off of a bridge.
>
>

Wow- Scottie tissues. That was not only original, but not bad from a piece
of trash. I can see why you might be having a slight issue with joining the
ranks of the employed. Most employers frown on the type of behavior and
mentality you are portraying here. But I should expect no less from a
*****ing and whining little child. Why does the word 'unemployable" keep
running through my head? Guess you'll just have to survive without any
entitlements.

One other thing- I would never accuse you of using a goose step. Butt plug
maybe, but never a goose step.

BTW- repeated cutting and pasting of exactly the same post over and over
even violates Google's TOS, and they have been more than happy to work with
ISP's in the past to shut down Usenet spammers.

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In <[email protected]> on 27 Dec 2004
22:54:45 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

>Try to think something out and accomplish more than a goose step.

Godwin's Law -- you've lost the debate.

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SS,

You are truly a genuine curmudgeon that would make even Mark Twain
blanch.

You have in no way proven that you live within your means, only that
you are a failure by U.S. standards of middle class. You have shown
that you are underclass, like a fast food cashier, with not much more
higher social standing --with your puny little loan and no credit. You
should be ashamed of yourself to be out of step with all your fellow
Americans! Our own Treasury and Federal Reserve runs on sheer credit,
and owes trillions overseas to Asia, mostly Japan and China, to prop up
our entire government.

Why do you sling like a sledgehammer such simple and conservative ideas
and beliefs.

Should you be injured on the job or be downsized or outsourced or
terminated, how will you live within your means when your savings run
out? By your logic, medical insurance is for lackeys and welfare ho's,
in that you pay in so little and when you are really sick you whine and
***** and cry for someone to pick up your $450,000 medical bill cause
you put in some pocket change? Get a grip.

I can give you some locations and phone numbers of massive domestic
labor operations and job prospects for illegal immigrants only , this
is the trend today. You will have to compete with them for any kind of
work should hard times and/or the unexpected occur to you. You should
thank your Lord that you are not in many of our shoes, nor in Iraq
either, defending our nation from the endless tsunami of terrorists
assaulting our borders and cities and power companies, that is the idea
on TV isn't it? In fact, for such a concerned citizen, you should be
over there defending us from the behemoth waves of encroaching
assailants even if you are in your 60s or 70s, that is no excuse, given
the seriousness of the threat.

You make far too many assumptions. In fact, it seems you have made
only baseless assumptions and wild accusations ... then you say
spiteful and mean spirited things to strangers on the internet. Why
even bother? Is your life that empty? What are your means for wasting
so much time typing drivel and insults and zero-idea little messages on
the usenet?

Man! Get to work and stop wasting your time and everybody elses.

If someone wants to get a message across on the internet, and repeat
some of it in each new message along with their new sentence or two,
that is not spamming it is dragging along the original post for others
new to the posting tree to read what is going on and is a freedom we
still have , ... how does this by the way compare with the endless
stream of television and radio advertisements, the blighted forests of
dead trees from so much bad newspaper copy and cheap consumer print
ads, and the unremitting stream of serial killer stories and movie
celebrity profiles on the "news", rather than news?

What about all the tonnage of empty promises and phrases by both Kerry
and Bush during the way too long election build up, in which not one
promise will be assessed and the candidate must make good on? Why
don't you begin with real issues before you bust your spleen.

It is our culture. Credit. Consumptive. Careless. Deal with it.

And for all your worth, try to get some credit and be a good American.
It is sinful in our culture to be without credit. How do you pay for
your online services and cell phone?

I don't know what you assumed about me, but i think your imagination is
quite limited to have been so singular and small in your
quick-to-assume Fox TV dronelike conclusions.

Most of my life i have been a writer for the oppressed, the underdog,
the ill, the homeless, the uninsured, the aged and the unemployed and
the violated. These specialist jobs never pay much and so one becomes
an expert in 'living within their means'. Living within my means meant
to shop around for a cell phone to use for job searching because i do
not have my own home any longer and am living with different friends
until i find a job and can pay rent ... they do not have landline
telephones at their homes any longer. This new basic model cell phone
[Nokia] is my only contact with employers. Thus, the Cingular Take
Charge account promoted itself, apart from all its competitors, as the
only way to get a normal cell phone account with a bank account debit,
rather than credit. The truth of the matter is that this account is
identical to a prepaid chip in your phone, except that they get $49.99
out of you rather than $25, like many people living within their means
do with a prepaid cell phone account. In fact, the bulk of these
people living within their means by using prepaid card inserts-- use
only about $17 or $18 of the $25 prepaid card monthly, they are so
careful with each and every call received and called out and still go
about their business. Have you ever kept your phone bill [all totaled]
down to $17 a month? If not, than you are living far beyond your
means.

Please find some other choice of words to express your idea, whatever
it was originally, for it was never clear nor comprehensible.

Are you retired and have nothing better to do than to stare at a
computer all day and insult other people getting on with their lives?

It seems so.

Idle hands are the devil's work.

You brought up martyrdom. Are you some kind of obsessive?

All i want is for my CINGULAR Take Charge account to work correctly
and to deliver what was offered in their brochure and in their retail
outlest by very chatty salespeople over-promoting TAKE CHARGE WITH
CINGULAR.

Even CINGULAR legalese online declares the same features promised for
the product.

You can surf Google Groups and use the keyword "cingular" and see that
thousands of customers are really bent out of shape and have been
delayed and deterred from their normal pursuits due to the non-delivery
of services via Cingular.

I will help you with this research if it is beyond your understanding.


Scott Stephenson wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...

> > Scott and company--I challenge you to live within your means better
> > than i have.
> >
> > A duel?
> >
> > Come on big talker.
> >
> > Let's see you walk.
> >
Fine- I normally wouldn't play the game, but you make the rules so
easy.
No credit cards (never had one)
Mortgage is the only installment loan I have (and have ever had)
2 cars paid in full at purchase- no loans (never had an auto loan)
Two college degrees paid in full (no student loans)
Never drawn unemployment or taken any form of public assistance (even
when
the situation presented itself)
>
All of this done with 4 school age children, and paid for with my
money, not
the government's- that's called living within your means. And with
your
complaint about government money running out for you, I guess I do live
within my means better than you- I'm not relying on someone else to pay
my
bills.
>
BTW- I went over 5 years without a phone of any kind at one point in my
life, and it never created a problem with getting or keeping
employment. So
you see, you little martyrdom routine isn't going to play with me.
Normally, I would have great sorrow for your situation, but your
priorities
seem to be not what one would expect from someone in your situation.
And
your behavior here certainly won't elicit much sympathy, either.
>
You wanted me to walk the walk- there it is. Try it some time.

Subject: Re: Cingular TAKE CHARGE scandal !

Scott and company--I challenge you to live within your
means better than i have.

A duel?

Come on big talker.

Let's see you walk.

You have the life experiences of a curmudgeon.
[Definition:

[n] a crusty irascible cantankerous old person full of
stubborn ideas]

Now it has been over 12 days dealing with Cingular
customer service and retail outlet on Upper Broadway,
NYC. Only 2 of 40 CS reps were in any way helpful, and
they did not have any power to correct the problem.

The entire call center for Take Charge is set up to
deny situations, not correct them. This is the future of outsourcing.

http://bryanadrian_writer.tripod.com/biography.html

Scott Stephenson wrote:

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> "Tsheer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:TKhAd.60774$QR1.39947@fed1read04...

If you ever find another job, try saving some of
your salary this time, so you can pay your bills while you look for a
new job.

One of the biggest problems the US has is morons
who can't figure out how to live within their means.
> Amen,.

Sir/Madame,

How did you get a cell phone, a regular cell phone account, without a
credit card? Did a parent or employer or friend use their credit card
for you? Have you heard anyone else's misery with CINGULAR Take Charge
****ing them over? The catch is, they try to catch little financial
wimps like me with no credit by promoting this "Use your Visa debit
card or your checking account" and pay by the month, $49.99, for 400
minutes at 12.5 cents per minute [saving you one penny more than buying
a prepaid card of $50 from a competitor], PLUS, free nights after 9pm
and FREE WEEKENDS.

Well, i am paying up the ass and through the nose for nights after 9pm
and weekends, they deduct those minutes too, so my 50 bucks went down
the tube pretty ****ing fast. I have called their customer service
about 25 times [nearly 20 hours of their **** on the phone] and they
are trained to say that their computers show that i am NOT being billed
for the nightly nor weekend calls, which is complete rubbish. I would
be better off with just a $25 inserted prepaid chip every 4 or 5 weeks
from a Home Depot carrier or the like and be careful with each call,
making no chatty calls to friends or relatives at any time, just
practical and necessary communications. I have asked myself, am i the
only one whose Take Charge account with Cingular was set up in this
****ed up fashion on activation date, by a clumsy clerk, or is nearly
all or every customer of Take Charge with Cingular being screwed like
this? If they are, why is there no national revolt of dissed
customers? Is this the way all the misdeeds of USA are being managed,
by handlers who know the public is sheepish and defenseless?

Should I kill my Cingular Take Charge account and then immediately sign
up for a new one to see if it is only me, and/or a few others, who have
been gulled and conned in this way?

Debbie

"Debbie Smythe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sir/Madame,
>
> How did you get a cell phone, a regular cell phone account, without a
> credit card?

No credit card necessary- just good credit.

>Did a parent or employer or friend use their credit card
> for you?

No- I used my own credit score.

"Debbie Smythe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sir/Madame,
>
> How did you get a cell phone, a regular cell phone account, without a
> credit card? Did a parent or employer or friend use their credit card
> for you? Have you heard anyone else's misery with CINGULAR Take Charge
> ****ing them over? The catch is, they try to catch little financial
> wimps like me with no credit by promoting this "Use your Visa debit
> card or your checking account" and pay by the month, $49.99, for 400
> minutes at 12.5 cents per minute [saving you one penny more than buying
> a prepaid card of $50 from a competitor], PLUS, free nights after 9pm
> and FREE WEEKENDS.
>
> Well, i am paying up the ass and through the nose for nights after 9pm
> and weekends, they deduct those minutes too, so my 50 bucks went down
> the tube pretty ****ing fast. I have called their customer service
> about 25 times [nearly 20 hours of their **** on the phone] and they
> are trained to say that their computers show that i am NOT being billed
> for the nightly nor weekend calls, which is complete rubbish. I would
> be better off with just a $25 inserted prepaid chip every 4 or 5 weeks
> from a Home Depot carrier or the like and be careful with each call,
> making no chatty calls to friends or relatives at any time, just
> practical and necessary communications. I have asked myself, am i the
> only one whose Take Charge account with Cingular was set up in this
> ****ed up fashion on activation date, by a clumsy clerk, or is nearly
> all or every customer of Take Charge with Cingular being screwed like
> this? If they are, why is there no national revolt of dissed
> customers? Is this the way all the misdeeds of USA are being managed,
> by handlers who know the public is sheepish and defenseless?
>
> Should I kill my Cingular Take Charge account and then immediately sign
> up for a new one to see if it is only me, and/or a few others, who have
> been gulled and conned in this way?
>
> Debbie

I signed up for Cingular's $49.99 plan and my Cingular cellphone bill
comes to $80.00 bucks a month.
When I called up to ask how they tacked on $30.00 extra,
Cingular told me those were "taxes and fees".
I plan to dump them as soon as my 1 year contract is up in 16 weeks.
My phone conked out, I reported this to Cingular on Friday,
I'm still waiting for a replacement phone nearly a week later.

Me thinks Scott the wee willy one needs to get laid. Give yourself a
treat and tear yourself away from your computer and keyboard and stop
thinking about cell phones for a little while ... and get some pooty.

It will clear your head and you won't get so angry with other people
and with yourself!

Believe me, try it!

---

Just for you ... us gals are sticking together and you may have missed
Debbie Smythe's most current post:

***

You read somebody else's "rant". Here is my gracious posting again
below under my new posting for all you boys ... and yes, i am blonde, a
complete and real blonde, and no longer a teenager who watches Buffy
the vampire.


CINGULAR has disappointed me even more than CNN [24 hour coverage, 7
days a week of a three second tourist video recording of the tsunami's
affect on one tourist hotel-- the 9.0 Sumatra Quake caused by those
low frequency elf microwave bursts coming out of Montauk L.I. and
Gakona Alaska, and no other news coverage much at all ! -- and, Fox TV
[the testosterone-saturated O'Reilly clones only ***** ***** *****,
even more than me on my period].


I learned more about the Quake and the following hemispheric floods and
the knocking off of its axis of the Earth's rotation caused by
"something" they do not understand which triggered the quake, in 25
minutes only, from the French "Journal" [and I saw visual coverage on
French Journal of the destruction and suffering in Iraq too, of the
Iraqi civilians and our 40,000 horribly disabled and disfigured
soldiers over there and in German hospitals and in our Veterans
hospitals here-- than in one week of surfing through all the American
cable media channels. I learned stuff about Europe too, and more from
them about our nation than i can find here on cable. The BBC seems to
be censored here, it is very different from BBC2 and BBC3 in London. I
don' t trust what they call BBC here, anyway it is almost as bad as the
American news.


Why don't we see news coverage inside the VA hospitals? Also, us girls
should get together over issues, and i wanna meet many of the wives of
the reservists over there, or at least see them speak their minds on TV
news, and get their point of view on military medical insurance issues
and crippled and ruined husbands who come home barely alive. What are
their views? What help has Washington and the Congress given them with
their kids and food and clothing and health care while their spouses
are over there, and the tragedy of many returned?


I hate cell phones more than flies around **** [like some Usenet
compulsed people who must really work for the government or for the
telecoms -- those who buzz around everywhere at all hours worse than
flies and have nothing to say but a short teeny weeney babble of
offensive dinkleberries -- does a job like that pay better than retail
clerk work in the mall or a call center?] ... the cell phone for me is
because I cannot get a landline in my room in my group house and I am
trying to get a job in this IMPOSSIBLE job market [i just graduated
from college a little while ago] and i am too pretty and too afraid to
go and fight in Iraq, which most of my guy friends did when WalMart
would not hire them.


Whichever of you said "buy prepaid time" ... I think i will. Thanks.
The customer care people for the Take Care offer of Cingular are mostly
temps and afraid of losing the few no benefits hours they are earning
through their temp agencies, and they hardly know diddly, and they will
not tell you to your face they received no training to answer many
questions, only to say after being coached by a whispering supervisor
"We will have a manager call you after a complete investigation" which
never happens and they never call back, or, they say "our computers
show you have been enjoying the free nights and weekend minutes". KISS
MY PUBES.


Those kind of remarks are more worthless than a used disposable tampon.


Cingular Take Care better ****ing take care of all the outraged
customers who do not like being grabbed and doggie ****ed from behind
by a lying an cheatin bunch of Halliburton and Wackenhut like pimps and
dogs who think they are so oh oh so clever to promise free nights after
9pm and free weekends, but all they are offering like a pimp is an
expensive Prepaid card of $50 plus federal taxes that bring it over
$56.00, meaning 16 cents per minute [and they charge you twice for
listening to your voice mails [about 30 cents to check yur messages
with the "voice mail forwarding" charge] ... AND NOT ONE FREE MINUTE,
NOT EVEN TWO on the weekends or after 9pm. Let me state that again for
the usenet flies, NO FREE MINUTES.


They are at Cingular, as Burl Ives says in "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof," --
mendacious!!


When the managers of Take Charge Cingular die, they will live a life of
eternity strung up by their genitals, male and female, by thin piano
wire, upside down, for all time and they will envy the people roasting
to death.


------

Sir/Madame,


How did you get a cell phone, a regular cell phone account, without a
credit card? Did a parent or employer or friend use their credit card
for you? Have you heard anyone else's misery with CINGULAR Take Charge
****ing them over? The catch is, they try to catch little financial
wimps like me with no credit by promoting this "Use your Visa debit
card or your checking account" and pay by the month, $49.99, for 400
minutes at 12.5 cents per minute [saving you one penny more than buying
a prepaid card of $50 from a competitor], PLUS, free nights after 9pm
and FREE WEEKENDS.


Well, i am paying up the ass and through the nose for nights after 9pm
and weekends, they deduct those minutes too, so my 50 bucks went down
the tube pretty ****ing fast. I have called their customer service
about 25 times [nearly 20 hours of their **** on the phone] and they
are trained to say that their computers show that i am NOT being billed
for the nightly nor weekend calls, which is complete rubbish. I would
be better off with just a $25 inserted prepaid chip every 4 or 5 weeks
from a Home Depot carrier or the like and be careful with each call,
making no chatty calls to friends or relatives at any time, just
practical and necessary communications. I have asked myself, am i the
only one whose Take Charge account with Cingular was set up in this
****ed up fashion on activation date, by a clumsy clerk, or is nearly
all or every customer of Take Charge with Cingular being screwed like
this? If they are, why is there no national revolt of dissed
customers? Is this the way all the misdeeds of USA are being managed,
by handlers who know the public is sheepish and defenseless?


Should I kill my Cingular Take Charge account and then immediately sign
up for a new one to see if it is only me, and/or a few others, who have
been gulled and conned in this way?


Debbie

"Amy Scharzenegger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Me thinks Scott the wee willy one needs to get laid. Give yourself a
> treat and tear yourself away from your computer and keyboard and stop
> thinking about cell phones for a little while ... and get some pooty.

I would, but the $5 you normally charge isn't worth the trip to the doctor
it causes.

>
> It will clear your head and you won't get so angry with other people
> and with yourself!

Things are very clear, thank you.

>
> Believe me, try it!

The only thing I would believe is that you are yet enother idiot posting to
the group.

>
> ---
>
> Just for you ... us gals are sticking together and you may have missed
> Debbie Smythe's most current post:
>
> ***
>
> You read somebody else's "rant". Here is my gracious posting again
> below under my new posting for all you boys ... and yes, i am blonde, a
> complete and real blonde,

Well, that would explain a lot.

> and no longer a teenager who watches Buffy
> the vampire.
>
>
Then that would make you a twentysomething wannabe, who's biggest life
experience was riding in a limo to the prom.

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In <[email protected]> on 29 Dec 2004
13:57:42 -0800, "Debbie Smythe" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Sir/Madame,

Please refrain from posting the same material over and over -- once is enough.

>How did you get a cell phone, a regular cell phone account, without a
>credit card? Did a parent or employer or friend use their credit card
>for you?

I've had several different types of postpaid and prepaid service over the
years.

>Have you heard anyone else's misery with CINGULAR Take Charge
>****ing them over?

I've heard a couple of complaints of problems. I yet to see any evidence of
anyone being 'f---ed over'. Cingular is obligated to honor its terms of
service, and undoubtedly will by working out any problems.

>The catch is, they try to catch little financial
>wimps like me with no credit by promoting this "Use your Visa debit
>card or your checking account" and pay by the month, $49.99, for 400
>minutes at 12.5 cents per minute [saving you one penny more than buying
>a prepaid card of $50 from a competitor], PLUS, free nights after 9pm
>and FREE WEEKENDS.

Since you think that's a good deal, then I don't see any real problem, just
apparent teething problems in the system.

>Well, i am paying up the ass and through the nose for nights after 9pm
>and weekends, they deduct those minutes too, so my 50 bucks went down
>the tube pretty ****ing fast. I have called their customer service
>about 25 times [nearly 20 hours of their **** on the phone] and they
>are trained to say that their computers show that i am NOT being billed
>for the nightly nor weekend calls, which is complete rubbish.

If it is complete rubbish, then there shouldn't be any issue. If you need
help, file a complaint with the BBB.

>I would
>be better off with just a $25 inserted prepaid chip every 4 or 5 weeks
>from a Home Depot carrier or the like and be careful with each call,
>making no chatty calls to friends or relatives at any time, just
>practical and necessary communications.

Then go for it.

>I have asked myself, am i the
>only one whose Take Charge account with Cingular was set up in this
>****ed up fashion on activation date, by a clumsy clerk, or is nearly
>all or every customer of Take Charge with Cingular being screwed like
>this? If they are, why is there no national revolt of dissed
>customers?

Indeed.

>Is this the way all the misdeeds of USA are being managed,
>by handlers who know the public is sheepish and defenseless?

Get serious.

>Should I kill my Cingular Take Charge account and then immediately sign
>up for a new one to see if it is only me, and/or a few others, who have
>been gulled and conned in this way?

Whatever floats your boat. Personally I'd put the effort into getting an
existing account straightened out.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

Bryan, what the **** is this guy going on about? If you have a problem
With Cingular (or any phone company), write a hand-addressed letter to
the President of Cingular, and make sure that you clearly c.c. the NY
Attorney General, the US Attorney General, and the Federal Trade
Commission. If necessary, say that you were "slammed" or lied to about
your service. You will get a call back from the president's admin
within two days apologising profusely and dropping all money charges.
\
Cingular are the worst, and have just paid out millions in a class
action suit in California. We also had a nightmare with them two years
ago, until in desperation Helen resorted to the above strategy. Just
recently, we had a similar problem with AT&T, who had offered to lower
our long distance then charged us 3.00/minute to call UK, when we had
been paying 0.10/minute!!!.

PAcBell was going to cut us off for non-payment of an erroneous $487
bill for one month's worth of international calls. AT&T service reps
refused to listen, kept denying all or any previous conversations until
Helen did the above again and immediately got the same reaction-
grovelling profuse apologies from Corporate HQ, plus all money charges
dropped. The phone companies really do NOT want any more flack--the
heat is on them big time from various Fed consumer agencies.

Barry