Mobile to Mobile

In article <[email protected]>,
Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

> >>In what city in Texas do you reside?
> >
> >
> > and that's relevant to this because?
>
> Because you keep *****ing about the AT&T Wireless stores that aren't
> Cingular stores in your area. I'm willing to bet that you live in an
> area where Cingular must divest the AT&T Wireless portion...including
> stores, customers, spectrum, and network assets.

Nope. I like the way my stating the facts that disagree with your
preconceived notion becomes "*****ing". Some stores have a Cingular
balloon, and in some cases they may have a sloppily placed canvas sign,
but the large 3D lit AT&T Wireless signs are all still there. And you go
inside they are still selling AT&T Wireless phones and plans, and tell
you go to a Cingular store if you have a Cingular question. They do wear
Cingular logoed shirts however.

Only 3 logical explanations:

1. Atlanta has no idea what's going on.
2. The store will be closed on April 26.
3. The store will be sold back to AT&T for use by AT&T Mobile.

And I was reminded of that watching a Kinko's 3-d sign being replaced
with an identical font sign saying FedEx Kinkos. But then FedEx
announced it was doing that in May and it took it 9 months to do it.
Cinular MUST do it in 6 months, but said it did it on Nov. 15.

Read their press release!

<http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/mi...8644&TICK=CING
UL1&STORY=/www/story/11-16-2004/0002458939&EDATE=Nov+16,+2004>

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Zwick,
For God's sake, get off of this. Find something else to do with your time.
You're not serving any purpose here.

"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Jack Zwick wrote:
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>>I thought AT&T Wireeless plans were supposed to not be sold after
> > >>>November 15.
> > >>
> > >>If you get the discount through your employer, you will be steered to
an
> > >>ATT plan. I have heard it is because Cingular has not yet applied the
> > >>update to its billing system, allowing the discounts.
> > >
> > >
> > > But Navas told us how compatible the back office systems were and they
> > > would be merged quickly. It's 3 months now.
> >
> > Define quickly in terms of a merger of a service company as such.
> >
> > I actually have to take John's side on this one....he said it would be
> > easier than past integrations. Truthfully, I think it will be.
>
> Fine, but they claimed it was done as of November 15, and it still
> hasn't.

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 10 Jan
2005 13:41:39 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>I thought AT&T Wireeless plans were supposed to not be sold after
>November 15.

You thought wrong, as we've pointed out many times.

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 10 Jan
2005 14:07:48 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > I thought AT&T Wireeless plans were supposed to not be sold after
>> > November 15.
>>
>> You thought wrong.
>
>I'm just going by Cingular press releases. i.e.
>
><http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/mi...8644&TICK=CING
>UL1&STORY=/www/story/11-16-2004/0002458939&EDATE=Nov+16,+2004>

You were (and are) misinterpreting Cingular press releases, which don't say
what you claim.

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 10 Jan
2005 15:45:51 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>And I was reminded of that watching a Kinko's 3-d sign being replaced
>with an identical font sign saying FedEx Kinkos. But then FedEx
>announced it was doing that in May and it took it 9 months to do it.
>Cinular MUST do it in 6 months, but said it did it on Nov. 15.

Nope.

>Read their press release!

Take your own advice. Read the actual words.

><http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/mi...8644&TICK=CING
>UL1&STORY=/www/story/11-16-2004/0002458939&EDATE=Nov+16,+2004>

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 10 Jan
2005 14:05:00 GMT, Jack "Chicken Little" Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > I thought AT&T Wireeless plans were supposed to not be sold after
>> > November 15.
>>
>> If you get the discount through your employer, you will be steered to an
>> ATT plan. I have heard it is because Cingular has not yet applied the
>> update to its billing system, allowing the discounts.
>
>But Navas told us how compatible the back office systems were and they
>would be merged quickly.

Nope. What I actually wrote
<http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=Iutgd.2064%24_3.27393%40typhoon.sonic.net>
or <http://tinyurl.com/3mxd3>:

From: John Navas
Newsgroups: alt.cellular.cingular,alt.cellular.attws
Subject: Re: Going from ATTWS to Cingular
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:39:20 GMT
...
The number of users (subscribers) is largely irrelevant -- what matters is
the number (one) and type of (compatible) back office systems. This
integration actually looks to be easier than prior integrations.

Which part of that don't you understand? Shall we start with "This"?

>It's 3 months now.

No surprise there (to anyone but you).

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"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 10 Jan
2005 14:57:44 GMT, Jack "Chicken Little" Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

>> I actually have to take John's side on this one....he said it would be
>> easier than past integrations. Truthfully, I think it will be.
>
>Fine, but they claimed it was done as of November 15, and it still
>hasn't.

Nope.

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Best regards,
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>

"A little learning is a dangerous thing." [Alexander Pope]
"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." [Mark Twain]

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:38:08 GMT, Tropical
Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>I actually have to take John's side on this one....he said it would be
>>>easier than past integrations. Truthfully, I think it will be.
>>
>>
>> Fine, but they claimed it was done as of November 15, and it still
>> hasn't.
>
>Who are "they"? Do you have proof that "they" said that AT&T Wireless
>operations will be 100% integrated with Cingular operations on November
>15th? I read that benefits of Cingular are available to AT&T Wireless
>customers...and they are. However, those customers may be required to
>switch to the Cingular side to use those benefits.

ATTWS customers actually got the benefit of the Cingular network prior to
closing of the merger thanks to free roaming, which continues, and in November
got the benefit of expanded mobile-to-mobile, both without switching.
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Joe Fabeitz" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Zwick,
> For God's sake,

Are you a friend of Bin Laden. He speaks for G_d also.

In article <[email protected]>,
Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

> >>I actually have to take John's side on this one....he said it would be
> >>easier than past integrations. Truthfully, I think it will be.
> >
> >
> > Fine, but they claimed it was done as of November 15, and it still
> > hasn't.
>
> Who are "they"? Do you have proof that "they" said that AT&T Wireless
> operations will be 100% integrated with Cingular operations on November
> 15th? I read that benefits of Cingular are available to AT&T Wireless
> customers...and they are. However, those customers may be required to
> switch to the Cingular side to use those benefits.

But not at some AT&T WIreless stores.

Yes I have proofo. It's the November 16 press release of Cingular that
Navas claimed didn't exist.

Title of Press Release:


Cingular Completes Massive Overnight Conversion of AT&T Wireless Stores

<http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/mi...8644&TICK=CING
UL1&STORY=/www/story/11-16-2004/0002458939&EDATE=Nov+16,+2004>

Only problem: IT NEVER HAPPENED.

Jack Zwick wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Joe Fabeitz" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Zwick,
>>For God's sake,
>
>
> Are you a friend of Bin Laden. He speaks for G_d also.

GFYS

>Do you have proof that "they" said that AT&T Wireless
>operations will be 100% integrated with Cingular operations on November
>15th?

As near as I can remember the 15th of November date was for Mobile to Mobile
across platforms and that DID happen.

Fully integrated can mean a number of things depending on your point of view.
It could be technology, marketing or even billing. Don't cut them short unless
you are more specific in what you are talking about when it comes to
integration.

I can tell you that they ARE in the process of integrating cell site equipment
and that is going to be a long arduous task. Probably 2 years or more.....

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected]pamfree (John S.) wrote:

> >Do you have proof that "they" said that AT&T Wireless
> >operations will be 100% integrated with Cingular operations on November
> >15th?
>
> As near as I can remember the 15th of November date was for Mobile to Mobile
> across platforms and that DID happen.
>
> Fully integrated can mean a number of things depending on your point of view.
> It could be technology, marketing or even billing. Don't cut them short unless
> you are more specific in what you are talking about when it comes to
> integration.
>
> I can tell you that they ARE in the process of integrating cell site equipment
> and that is going to be a long arduous task. Probably 2 years or more.....

or 4 or 6. They still havent integrated all the pieces stuck together to
makie Cingular 5 years ago.

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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 11 Jan
2005 09:58:36 GMT, Jack "CHICKEN LITTLE" Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >>I actually have to take John's side on this one....he said it would be
>> >>easier than past integrations. Truthfully, I think it will be.
>> >
>> >
>> > Fine, but they claimed it was done as of November 15, and it still
>> > hasn't.
>>
>> Who are "they"? Do you have proof that "they" said that AT&T Wireless
>> operations will be 100% integrated with Cingular operations on November
>> 15th? I read that benefits of Cingular are available to AT&T Wireless
>> customers...and they are. However, those customers may be required to
>> switch to the Cingular side to use those benefits.
>
>But not at some AT&T WIreless stores.
>
>Yes I have proofo. It's the November 16 press release of Cingular that
>Navas claimed didn't exist.

It doesn't.

>Title of Press Release:
>
>Cingular Completes Massive Overnight Conversion of AT&T Wireless Stores
>
><http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/mi...8644&TICK=CING
>UL1&STORY=/www/story/11-16-2004/0002458939&EDATE=Nov+16,+2004>
>
>Only problem: IT NEVER HAPPENED.

Only problem: It doesn't actually support your claims.

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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 11 Jan
2005 09:55:43 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> "Joe Fabeitz" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Zwick,
>> For God's sake,
>
>Are you a friend of Bin Laden. He speaks for G_d also.

I sense Godwin's Law to be imminent.

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