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- 01-27-2005, 04:50 PM #16Jack ZwickGuest
Re: SBC in talks to buy AT&T
In article <[email protected]>,
Isaiah Beard <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mij Adyaw wrote:
> > Why would it hurt Sprint stock? If SBC purchases ATT, won't they still need
> > wireless? Does SBC already have wireless? Who do they resell?
>
>
> SBC is part owner of Cingular.
>
> However, I have my doubts that a Cingular purchase of AT&T, the landline
> company, would pass regulatory muster.
You forget how much money SBC Execs gave to the Bush re-election
campaign.
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- 01-27-2005, 04:52 PM #17Jack ZwickGuest
Re: SBC in talks to buy AT&T
In article <[email protected]>,
"Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:dacKd.15807$1t.849@fed1read06...
> > Why doesn't Verizon buy Sprint? This would make sense since the networks
> are
> > CDMA and all phones would be compatible.
>
> I don't believe the FTC would allow it, as it would reduce competition.
>
> Bob
Didnt stop the Cingular purchase of AT&T Wireless, we have a
laissez-faire regulatory climate under Bush.
Two issues that would lean towards the approval.
1. AT&T is no longer a big fish
2. There are no major barriers to entry for new companies.
i.e. Vonnage is growing superfast.
- 01-27-2005, 05:33 PM #18Mij AdyawGuest
Re: SBC in talks to buy AT&T
Steve,
Thanks for the detailed response. I am a new Sprint subscriber and am
interested in any information that I can get. I am about to dump Verizon
because it does not work well at my home and I drop many calls or do not
receive the calls. I have tried all of the other carriers and Sprint is the
only service the works reliably at my home. I get full signal strength with
Sprint at my home but do not have much experience traveling with Sprint. I
understand that the 1900 Mhz does not penetrate buildings as well as the 800
Mhz Verizon signal. Can you share any experiences while traveling? I am
still a little reluctant to dump Verizon even though I have had good
experiences so far with Sprint.
Also, I have a Sanyo phone and would like to know how to force it to roam on
Verizon if necessary.
Thanks,
-mij
"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mij Adyaw wrote:
>> Steve,
>>
>> Does SprintPCS provide better service in your area than Verizon? I am in
>> Laguna Niguel in Orange County and Sprint provides better service than
>> Verizon. Verizon tech support admits that they have coverage problems in
>> LN and that they need to install new cell sites.
>
> "Better" is subjective.
>
> Sprint PCS covers Apple Valley much better.
>
> Verizon covers National Trails Highway (Old US 66) better up to Barstow,
> which is rather surprising as there is almost no one living in the area
> between Victorville and Barstow (Helendale, Silver Lakes, Hodge, etc.) If
> I need to, I'll set my phone to roam on Verizon. Sprint doesn't have
> service in the small towns between VV and Barstow at all.
>
> Verizon also covers part of Air Expressway (near the old George AFB) where
> Sprint has their only big coverage hole in the area. (I haven't bugged
> Sprint to fix that hole yet. Don't know how quickly they will add the
> coverage.)
>
> I left Verizon due to network repair issues, not coverage problems.
>
>
> --
> JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638)
> Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [email protected] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
>
> "In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor
> Valley is the sun." -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large
> amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)
- 01-27-2005, 08:04 PM #19Scott StephensonGuest
Re: SBC in talks to buy AT&T
"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <dacKd.15807$1t.849@fed1read06>,
> "Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Why doesn't Verizon buy Sprint? This would make sense since the networks
are
> > CDMA and all phones would be compatible.
> >
>
> Could happen, or maybe the FTC wouldn't allow it.
>
>
Or maybe they wouldn't want to pay Nextel the $1B required to have them walk
away from the merger.
- 01-27-2005, 08:13 PM #20Tropical HavenGuest
Re: SBC in talks to buy AT&T
Mij Adyaw wrote:
> Why doesn't Verizon buy Sprint? This would make sense since the networks are
> CDMA and all phones would be compatible.
2 things to mention:
A) Even though both companies use CDMA primarily, integration would not
be easy. It is expected to take approximately 2 more years to fully
integrate the AT&T Wireless network (Cingular blue) into the current
Cingular network (Cingular orange). From what I understand, GSM has
certain standards that MUST be followed, such as certain requirements in
billing systems, blacklist information, and roaming registrations.
AFAIK there are no standards to CDMA other than the air interface. When
GTE MobileNet, PrimeCo, Bell Atlantic Nynex Mobile, and
Vodafone/Airtouch merged to create Verizon Wireless, even though all
companies were using or planning to use CDMA, integration was slow and
troublesome. Verizon Wireless is known, even today, for having
outrageous billing errors, some of which may be attributed to the
"patchwork netork" of Verizon Wireless.
B) There are numerous locations in the nation where there are currently
4 national carriers : Sprint PCS, Nextel, Verizon Wireless, and "Other
Wireless Company". Assuming that Sprint does merge with Nextel, with no
devestitures, that already eliminates one national competitor (after
AT&T Wireless has already been eliminated). Then, if Sprint-Nextel
merged with Verizon, it would again eliminate another competitor. Now,
areas with 4 or 5 competitors now have only 2 or 3 choices. This does
not ***** good times for consumers. In fact, there are even areas of
the United States where only Sprint PCS and Verizon Wireless service.
That would eliminate competition altogether.
- 01-27-2005, 09:11 PM #21Tropical HavenGuest
Re: SBC in talks to buy AT&T
>> Why would it hurt Sprint stock? If SBC purchases ATT, won't they still
>> need wireless? Does SBC already have wireless? Who do they resell?
>
>
>
> SBC is part owner of Cingular.
>
> However, I have my doubts that a Cingular purchase of AT&T, the landline
> company, would pass regulatory muster.
I will be one to admit that I have never had any experience with either
SBC or AT&T other than AT&T prepaid phone cards. It does sound like SBC
is more of a local phone [line] company while AT&T is a long distance
carrier. IF that is true, then SBC buying AT&T wouldn't necessarily
eliminate competition (especially with the multitude of other LD
carriers, including the 10-10-xxx ones), as the services would
complement each other. With the widespread use of "toll free" plans in
the United States, AT&T is not as strong as it used to be. The long
distance service would also help complement Cingular.
However, on a different note, I would have a hard time believing that
SBC would be willing to finance the purchase of AT&T after it has taken
steps to purchase AT&T Wireless, but you never know.
TH
- 01-27-2005, 09:42 PM #22Steve SobolGuest
Re: SBC in talks to buy AT&T
Mij Adyaw wrote:
> Also, I have a Sanyo phone and would like to know how to force it to roam on
> Verizon if necessary.
*Forcing* it generally isn't possible.
But most Sprint phones have a Roam option that allows you to set Sprint Only or
roaming. Sprint Only is sufficient for the big metropolitan areas where Sprint
generally has decent coverage. If you don't have a native signal, leave Sprint
Only selected to not have any roaming charges, but be aware that you won't be
able to make calls.
If roaming, be aware that it will cost you money if you are outside the US, or
inside the US and not using the $5/month "free roaming" option, and also be
aware that it's likely to be analog roaming, although Sprint has finally
started signing digital roaming agreements with compatible carriers.
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Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [email protected] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
"In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor
Valley is the sun." -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large
amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)
- 01-27-2005, 10:51 PM #23Bob SmithGuest
Re: SBC in talks to buy AT&T
"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:dacKd.15807$1t.849@fed1read06...
> > > Why doesn't Verizon buy Sprint? This would make sense since the
networks
> > are
> > > CDMA and all phones would be compatible.
> >
> > I don't believe the FTC would allow it, as it would reduce competition.
> >
> > Bob
>
> Didnt stop the Cingular purchase of AT&T Wireless, we have a
> laissez-faire regulatory climate under Bush.
>
> Two issues that would lean towards the approval.
>
> 1. AT&T is no longer a big fish
>
> 2. There are no major barriers to entry for new companies.
> i.e. Vonnage is growing superfast.
No ... AT&T Wireless was going nowhere ... fast. That was more of a bail out
than reducing competition.
Bob
- 01-28-2005, 12:14 AM #24Mij AdyawGuest
Re: SBC in talks to buy AT&T
Is it possible for a Sprint Phone to roam on Verizon Digital? Several years
ago Sprint did not have coverage through Camp Pendleton and when a friend of
mine would drive through that area with his Spring phone, the phone would
roam on Verizon's digital network. Sprint now has good service in this area
so that phones are on the native Sprint network. Is it still possible for
Sprint Phones to roam on Verizon's digital network?
Regards,
-mij
"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mij Adyaw wrote:
>
>> Also, I have a Sanyo phone and would like to know how to force it to roam
>> on Verizon if necessary.
>
> *Forcing* it generally isn't possible.
>
> But most Sprint phones have a Roam option that allows you to set Sprint
> Only or roaming. Sprint Only is sufficient for the big metropolitan areas
> where Sprint generally has decent coverage. If you don't have a native
> signal, leave Sprint Only selected to not have any roaming charges, but be
> aware that you won't be able to make calls.
>
> If roaming, be aware that it will cost you money if you are outside the
> US, or inside the US and not using the $5/month "free roaming" option, and
> also be aware that it's likely to be analog roaming, although Sprint has
> finally started signing digital roaming agreements with compatible
> carriers.
>
> --
> JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638)
> Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [email protected] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
>
> "In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor
> Valley is the sun." -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large
> amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)
- 01-28-2005, 02:58 AM #25N9WOSGuest
Re: SBC in talks to buy AT&T
> No need for an AT&T Mobile if the SBC purchase goes through.
> In which case their wholesale purchase of SprintPCS network use falls
> through.
If they try to do anything to ATT WorldNet customers,
they will lose me as a dial up internet user.
And SBC will probably lose the $30 a month that I have been
paying for a second phone line that is dedicated to the modem.
Because I will probably be going to Satellite.
SBC internet service with yahoo........ SUCKS!!!!!!!
If they buy them out, I only have one thing to say.
ATT worldnet.... It's been a nice six years.
You've been good to me.
- 01-28-2005, 09:40 AM #26Isaiah BeardGuest
Re: SBC in talks to buy AT&T
Mij Adyaw wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Thanks for the detailed response. I am a new Sprint subscriber and am
> interested in any information that I can get. I am about to dump Verizon
> because it does not work well at my home and I drop many calls or do not
> receive the calls. I have tried all of the other carriers and Sprint is the
> only service the works reliably at my home. I get full signal strength with
> Sprint at my home but do not have much experience traveling with Sprint.
If you're worried about coverage while travelling, Sprint is very good
at covering all of the metro areas, and quite a bit of the "secondary"
rural areas" that are marginally well populated. FOr everything else,
if you're really concerned you can can opt for the $5 "Free & Clear
America" roaming option that allows you to use up to have of your
minutes while roaming on other wireless networks.
I've added this when I know I would be travelling into rural areas, and
have simply removed the option at the following billing cycle when I'm
back home, and have never gotten any flack from Sprint about it.
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- 01-28-2005, 09:41 AM #27Isaiah BeardGuest
Re: SBC in talks to buy AT&T
Mij Adyaw wrote:
> Is it possible for a Sprint Phone to roam on Verizon Digital?
Yes it is, when a Sprint signal is not available.
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- 01-28-2005, 09:43 AM #28Frank HarrisGuest
Re: SBC in talks to buy AT&T
Nice graphic showing how AT&T broke up and the Baby Bells merged back
together at
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object...NGGNB22251.DTL
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Frank Harris in San Francisco with an A680
- 01-28-2005, 09:47 AM #29Isaiah BeardGuest
Re: SBC in talks to buy AT&T
Jack Zwick wrote:
> Didnt stop the Cingular purchase of AT&T Wireless, we have a
> laissez-faire regulatory climate under Bush.
That was a different animal altogether. Cingular is a joint-owned
cellular outfit, and AT&T wireless was a spun off wireless-only outfit
that didn't rank very high in number of subscribers.
Sprint on the other hand is a company that offers Wireless, Wireline
home service, long distance voice, and local and long-haul data.
Verizon Wireless is a wireless outfit majority owned by Verizon, which
is an business taht ofer local, long distance, and data as well.
VZW and Sprint have too many fingers in too many pies. Couple that with
the fact taht Sprint and VZW are #2 and #3 in the market, and the merger
becomes less defendable.
>
> Two issues that would lean towards the approval.
>
> 1. AT&T is no longer a big fish
>
> 2. There are no major barriers to entry for new companies.
> i.e. Vonnage is growing superfast.
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- 01-28-2005, 10:39 AM #30Isaiah BeardGuest
Re: SBC in talks to buy AT&T
Tropical Haven wrote:
> B) There are numerous locations in the nation where there are currently
> 4 national carriers : Sprint PCS, Nextel, Verizon Wireless, and "Other
> Wireless Company".
There would actually be four in most places *after* the merger:
1. Cingular
2. Verizon
3. T-Mobile
4. "Other Carrier" (usually a regional operator such as Alltel or Cricket)
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