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  1. #1
    Jack Zwick
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    I have previously posted how many AT&T Wireless stores I see that remain
    with their large AT&T Wireless signs out front, even though Cingular
    issued a press release saying they all had been converted on November 15.

    The merger stipulated that on April 23 Cingular is to lose the right to
    continue to use the AT&T Wireless name, and it reverts to AT&T.

    HOWEVER

    SBC, majority owner of Cingular, is now negotiating to buy AT&T, which
    if a deal is struck soon, may result in AT&T to "allow" Cingular to
    continue to use the AT&T Wireless name.

    Might even be a clever marketing move. Cingular would have an emphasis
    on consumer sales, AT&T Wireless could emphasize business sales.



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  2. #2
    getoverit
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    Re: Unchanged AT&T WIreless stores to remain?

    The sign on the store near my office was changed to Cingular on Tuesday. I
    guess they missed that memo about November 15.


    "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >I have previously posted how many AT&T Wireless stores I see that remain
    > with their large AT&T Wireless signs out front, even though Cingular
    > issued a press release saying they all had been converted on November 15.
    >
    > The merger stipulated that on April 23 Cingular is to lose the right to
    > continue to use the AT&T Wireless name, and it reverts to AT&T.
    >
    > HOWEVER
    >
    > SBC, majority owner of Cingular, is now negotiating to buy AT&T, which
    > if a deal is struck soon, may result in AT&T to "allow" Cingular to
    > continue to use the AT&T Wireless name.
    >
    > Might even be a clever marketing move. Cingular would have an emphasis
    > on consumer sales, AT&T Wireless could emphasize business sales.






  3. #3
    JohnF
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    Re: Unchanged AT&T WIreless stores to remain?

    Jack, you need to get over this obsession you have with their signs. I'm
    glad they're worrying about things that matter. Maybe they're still deciding
    which stores to keep and don't want to sink money in changing signs that
    they're going to close? Who cares?

    "getoverit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > The sign on the store near my office was changed to Cingular on Tuesday.
    > I guess they missed that memo about November 15.
    >
    >
    > "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >>I have previously posted how many AT&T Wireless stores I see that remain
    >> with their large AT&T Wireless signs out front, even though Cingular
    >> issued a press release saying they all had been converted on November 15.
    >>
    >> The merger stipulated that on April 23 Cingular is to lose the right to
    >> continue to use the AT&T Wireless name, and it reverts to AT&T.
    >>
    >> HOWEVER
    >>
    >> SBC, majority owner of Cingular, is now negotiating to buy AT&T, which
    >> if a deal is struck soon, may result in AT&T to "allow" Cingular to
    >> continue to use the AT&T Wireless name.
    >>
    >> Might even be a clever marketing move. Cingular would have an emphasis
    >> on consumer sales, AT&T Wireless could emphasize business sales.

    >
    >






  4. #4
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: Unchanged AT&T WIreless stores to remain?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "JohnF" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Jack, you need to get over this obsession you have with their signs. I'm
    > glad they're worrying about things that matter. Maybe they're still deciding
    > which stores to keep and don't want to sink money in changing signs that
    > they're going to close? Who cares?


    Did you ever read the press release?

    <http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/mi...8644&TICK=CING
    UL1&STORY=/www/story/11-16-2004/0002458939&EDATE=Nov+16,+2004>

    Teams of Cingular employees spent Sunday night fully converting 1,055
    former AT&T Wireless company-owned stores into Cingular stores.



  5. #5
    John S.
    Guest

    Re: Unchanged AT&T WIreless stores to remain?

    >SBC, majority owner of Cingular, is now negotiating to buy AT&T, which
    >if a deal is struck soon, may result in AT&T to "allow" Cingular to
    >continue to use the AT&T Wireless name.


    I am in the industry and am pretty much aware of all rumors and negotiations.

    Where did you read this as I have seen nothing at all about it. AND, I doubt
    that they could get government approval for that kind of a buy out.


    --
    John S.
    e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net



  6. #6
    Scott Stephenson
    Guest

    Re: Unchanged AT&T WIreless stores to remain?


    "John S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > >SBC, majority owner of Cingular, is now negotiating to buy AT&T, which
    > >if a deal is struck soon, may result in AT&T to "allow" Cingular to
    > >continue to use the AT&T Wireless name.

    >
    > I am in the industry and am pretty much aware of all rumors and

    negotiations.
    >
    > Where did you read this as I have seen nothing at all about it. AND, I

    doubt
    > that they could get government approval for that kind of a buy out.
    >
    >
    > --

    John- it has been mentioned on every major newswire over the last couple of
    days. And it will probably pass government approval.





  7. #7
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: Unchanged AT&T WIreless stores to remain?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected]pamfree (John S.) wrote:

    > >SBC, majority owner of Cingular, is now negotiating to buy AT&T, which
    > >if a deal is struck soon, may result in AT&T to "allow" Cingular to
    > >continue to use the AT&T Wireless name.

    >
    > I am in the industry and am pretty much aware of all rumors and negotiations.
    >
    > Where did you read this as I have seen nothing at all about it. AND, I doubt
    > that they could get government approval for that kind of a buy out.


    Must be a Navis clone. You haven't heard about it, therefore it can't be
    happening.

    Try the business section of ANY online news organization. Jeeez



  8. #8
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: Unchanged AT&T WIreless stores to remain?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:15:14 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >In article <[email protected]>,
    > > "JohnF" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> Jack, you need to get over this obsession you have with their signs. I'm
    > >> glad they're worrying about things that matter. Maybe they're still
    > >> deciding
    > >> which stores to keep and don't want to sink money in changing signs that
    > >> they're going to close? Who cares?

    > >
    > >Did you ever read the press release?
    > >
    > ><http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/mi...8644&TICK=CING
    > >UL1&STORY=/www/story/11-16-2004/0002458939&EDATE=Nov+16,+2004>
    > >
    > >Teams of Cingular employees spent Sunday night fully converting 1,055
    > >former AT&T Wireless company-owned stores into Cingular stores.

    >
    > You seem to be the only one who is really concerned about *signs!*
    > Give it up already! Sheesh!


    The signs are just a symbol of Cingular's lying. Go inside any of the
    stores and they're AT&T stores inside, selling AT&T phones and AT&T
    plans.

    You did see the following post today?

    ============

    Hello all,

    I recently switched 2 of my 4 TMobile lines to Cingular. My Tmo service
    had been first rate. It's just that I wanted a 6820 for EDGE, and they
    still sell for over $200 on Ebay. While perusing the Nokia.com site, I
    happened to click on the "buy now" button and learned that I could get
    6820s for free. So far, so good.

    Then the odyssey with Cingular began.

    Nokia.com farms out their fulfillment to another outfit, apparently
    called Lets Talk. In an online sign-up, I contracted for 2 free 6820s,
    and a Family Nation 450 Rollover.

    My troubles started when I went to register for online access at the
    Cingular site. Cingular had never heard of me. On a whim, I clicked the
    button marked "former ATT customers click here". I'm now on an ATT
    site, which allows me to sign up for online access, etc.

    More troubling, it seems as though there is no such thing as Family
    Nation 450 Rollover, nor is there anything approaching the $19
    unlimited data. NOTE: I'm willing to assume that all of this resulted
    from poor/sloppy/imprecise programming of the LetsTalk website. But as
    you'll see, Cingular certainly doesn't cover themselves in glory here
    either.

    Note that although I am new to Cingular, I am an experienced
    cellular/gsm user. I know all about data, the 850/900 issue, etc. Image
    though if I were a totally new user. ATT doesn't exist(except within
    Cingular, as we'll see). There are no more ATT stores and no more ATT
    kiosks. To the casual observer (most new users would be no more than
    this, right?), the only thing that exists is Cingular.

    Somewhat alarmed over my perceived bait and switch (again, I'll admit
    that this may be the result of LetsTalk, not Cingular), I call up
    Cingular support. Of course they have never heard of me, and after some
    checking they have the Eureka moment and say "oh, you're an ATT
    customer, not a Cingular customer". Imagine what a clueless newby would
    be thinking at this point. They've never hear of ATT, and Cingular
    support is booting them off the phone to talk to someone else.

    My point here is that Cingular's management of the merger is shockingly
    bad. How is this any way to treat (new) customers? Is this a merger or
    not a merger? What are your future plans? Do you have any idea at all
    what you are doing?

    After a bizarre phone session with ATT support, I set off to a Cingular
    store that I knew was formerly ATT. (Here's part of the ATT
    conversation--ATT: we don't have unlimited data, we have mmode (note
    again, to a newby, WHAT THE HELL IS MMODE??) ME: well what do you have
    for data? ATT: We have 8Mb for $75 (numbers may be wrong) ME: that's
    not good enough ATT: 8Mb is a lot! ME: You're kidding, right? I use
    that before lunch. Anyway, you get the idea.

    Thankfully, the former ATT (now Cingular) store had a knowledgeable
    person there. Cutting to the chase, here's what looks like my best
    option at the moment:

    1. unlock my phones
    2. switch to Cingular, paying $18 per line for the "upgrade"
    (UPGRADE?!? I've been a customer for ONE DAY and now I get to pay still
    more for an UPGRADE?)

    This whole thing defies description. Here are just a few questions:

    1. Why are Cingular and ATT two completely separate entities at this
    late date? How long has this merger been in the works? Just short of
    forever, right???
    2. Why can't I get Family Nation 450 Rollover on ATT? From my point of
    view, there is no ATT, it's all the same company. Besides that, it's
    just a contract, not some hocus-pocus technical issue like TDMA/gsm or
    850/900. Just give me the plan, OK?
    3. Same question as number 2, but for data. It's just a plan, give it
    to me. What prevents this?
    4. Why should it be up to a smart store rep and me to cook up some
    backroom scheme involving unlocking, etc., just to get ME, a CUSTOMER,
    what I want?
    5. Why do I get to PAY for the privilege of being your customer?
    (the $18 upgrade fee, presumably for new SIMs--I just paid this fee to
    establish service once, now I get to do it again 1 day later because
    "Cingular and ATT are different"? That sounds like your problem (you
    are merged, right?). I am paying for your ineptness in merging your
    operations.

    Please, someone tell me that Cingular really does know what it is
    doing, and that there is light at the end of the tunnel. I guess I
    should content myself with the free phones and just suck it up. I would
    love to jam it back to them though during the 30 day period.

    Honestly, I have never felt so abused as a customer.

    If anyone knows of some way to establish an escalated contact with the
    company, I would be more than happy to talk with them. I'm sure you all
    agree it would be impossible for me to reach such a place by simply
    calling support.



  9. #9
    Tropical Haven
    Guest

    Re: Unchanged AT&T WIreless stores to remain?

    > Did you ever read the press release?
    >
    > <http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/mi...8644&TICK=CING
    > UL1&STORY=/www/story/11-16-2004/0002458939&EDATE=Nov+16,+2004>
    >
    > Teams of Cingular employees spent Sunday night fully converting 1,055
    > former AT&T Wireless company-owned stores into Cingular stores.


    You said it yourself -- "1,055 former AT&T Wireless company-owned
    stores", it DID NOT say ALL former AT&T Wireless company-owned stores.

    Get over it.

    TH




  10. #10
    John S.
    Guest

    Re: Unchanged AT&T WIreless stores to remain?

    >Try the business section of ANY online news organization. Jeeez

    URL please!!! I read Cellular News daily, I read all of the various Cellular
    News Groups, I read Phone Scoop daily.....etc etc etc and no where have I seen
    anything about SBC buying AT&T (the Long Distance Company).

    --
    John S.
    e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net



  11. #11
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: Unchanged AT&T WIreless stores to remain?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected]pamfree (John S.) wrote:

    > >Try the business section of ANY online news organization. Jeeez

    >
    > URL please!!! I read Cellular News daily, I read all of the various Cellular
    > News Groups, I read Phone Scoop daily.....etc etc etc and no where have I seen
    > anything about SBC buying AT&T (the Long Distance Company).


    Sorry you can't take 30 seconds to Google it.

    Apparently you need to expand beyond phonescoop.

    <http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../bs_usatoday/s
    bcatamptdiscussmerger>

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4470328

    http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=122778

    <http://www.expressnewsline.com/0805/...sbc+buying+tel
    ecom-status-19-newsID-20.html>

    http://www.suntimes.com/output/busin...fin-sbc28.html

    <http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...1/28/MNGGNB222
    51.DTL>

    <http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../telecoms_att_
    dc_17>

    <http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...lt_afp/uscompa
    nytelecomatt_050127221811>

    <http://www.fool.com/News/mft/2005/mf...ptyholnk303100
    &logvisit=y&npu=y>



  12. #12
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: Unchanged AT&T WIreless stores to remain?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > Did you ever read the press release?
    > >
    > > <http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/mi...8644&TICK=CING
    > > UL1&STORY=/www/story/11-16-2004/0002458939&EDATE=Nov+16,+2004>
    > >
    > > Teams of Cingular employees spent Sunday night fully converting 1,055
    > > former AT&T Wireless company-owned stores into Cingular stores.

    >
    > You said it yourself -- "1,055 former AT&T Wireless company-owned
    > stores", it DID NOT say ALL former AT&T Wireless company-owned stores.


    Read it. The ones not done were "agent locations", not company stores.
    Jeeez



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    Tropical Haven
    Guest

    Re: Unchanged AT&T WIreless stores to remain?




  14. #14
    Tropical Haven
    Guest

    Re: Unchanged AT&T WIreless stores to remain?

    >>>Teams of Cingular employees spent Sunday night fully converting 1,055
    >>>former AT&T Wireless company-owned stores into Cingular stores.

    >>
    >>You said it yourself -- "1,055 former AT&T Wireless company-owned
    >>stores", it DID NOT say ALL former AT&T Wireless company-owned stores.

    >
    >
    > Read it. The ones not done were "agent locations", not company stores.
    > Jeeez


    That's still not what it said. It basically said agent stores were
    going to be switching over in the foreseeable future. It still didn't
    mentional ALL ATTWS corporate stores.

    TH




  15. #15
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: Unchanged AT&T WIreless stores to remain?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Sorry you can't take 30 seconds to Tiny URL it.
    >
    > Apparently you need to expand beyond long URL posting.
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/


    Apparently you need to learn manners.


    Many folks refuse to use a tiny url link as they don't know where it may
    lead them, so in deference to that legitimate concern I don't use it.



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