Cingular Unlock Policy

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:17:51 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]>
wrote:

>> Yes you're V551 is unlocked as is every V551 released within the first 2
>> months of the buyout/merger.
>
>And every v400 and v600 sold the previous year. And every Quad band
>phone.

That makes sense to me. I understood the purpose of the quad-band
phone was to be able to use it in places like Europe with another SIM.
If it were locked, that would defeat the reason for being quad-band.

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"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > What dream world do you live on? You said that Cingular did not sell
>> > locked
>> > phones until they learned that practice from AWS. This is a completely
>> > FALSE
>> > statement. Cingular phones have always been locked. Just because a few
>> > Motorolas came unlocked does not mean that all the phones previously
>> > sold
>> > were magically unlocked.
>>
>> I have heard that for a period of time Cingular sold all world phones
>> unlocked. I have had access to a few, and they were unlocked, however I
>> feel my sample was not fairly representing the sales of Cingular
>> handsets for any period of time.
>
> Yup its "Jiu" who lives in the dream world that his suppositions are fact
> and attack anyone who questions those guess.


So it's an attack any time somebody points out that you are wrong?

Again with the Dem doublespeak. tsk, tsk.

--
JJ

"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Jiu Jitsuperfly" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Tropical Haven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >> What dream world do you live on? You said that Cingular did not sell
>> >> locked phones until they learned that practice from AWS. This is a
>> >> completely FALSE statement. Cingular phones have always been locked.
>> >> Just
>> >> because a few Motorolas came unlocked does not mean that all the
>> >> phones
>> >> previously sold were magically unlocked.
>> >
>> > I have heard that for a period of time Cingular sold all world phones
>> > unlocked. I have had access to a few, and they were unlocked, however
>> > I
>> > feel my sample was not fairly representing the sales of Cingular
>> > handsets
>> > for any period of time.
>>
>> And they will still unlock any world phone for you* if you know the right
>> people to ask.
>>
>> I'm sure Jack will be happy to post this information** since he knows
>> everything there is to know about Cingualr wireless services and policies
>
> Au contraire, it's "Jiu" who (like Navas) acts so arrogant that he knows
> everything, including secret phone numbers on how to activate phones.


I do not claim to know everything. I learn more every day because I like
what I do.

I was also attempting to help the gentleman who was not provided with the
activation materials. It worked.

Why didn't you try to help Jack?

I happened to have the number because I've worked for Cingular for quite a
few years now. So yes, I have access to information and numbers that you do
not.

I've also provided a way to get your phone unlocked but I guess you already
had that information as well.

--
JJ

In article <[email protected]>,
Dick <LeadWinger> wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:17:51 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >> Yes you're V551 is unlocked as is every V551 released within the first 2
> >> months of the buyout/merger.
> >
> >And every v400 and v600 sold the previous year. And every Quad band
> >phone.
>
> That makes sense to me. I understood the purpose of the quad-band
> phone was to be able to use it in places like Europe with another SIM.
> If it were locked, that would defeat the reason for being quad-band.

You can certainly conceptualize that, but why then sell them locked ever
since December 2004.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Jiu Jitsuperfly" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I do not claim to know everything. I learn more every day because I like
> what I do.
>
> I was also attempting to help the gentleman who was not provided with the
> activation materials. It worked.
>
> Why didn't you try to help Jack?

I am not an employee of Cingular with access to secret phone numbers.
Why was that number not provided with his phone?

In article <[email protected]>,
"Jiu Jitsuperfly" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> > What dream world do you live on? You said that Cingular did not sell
> >> > locked
> >> > phones until they learned that practice from AWS. This is a completely
> >> > FALSE
> >> > statement. Cingular phones have always been locked. Just because a few
> >> > Motorolas came unlocked does not mean that all the phones previously
> >> > sold
> >> > were magically unlocked.
> >>
> >> I have heard that for a period of time Cingular sold all world phones
> >> unlocked. I have had access to a few, and they were unlocked, however I
> >> feel my sample was not fairly representing the sales of Cingular
> >> handsets for any period of time.
> >
> > Yup its "Jiu" who lives in the dream world that his suppositions are fact
> > and attack anyone who questions those guess.
>
>
> So it's an attack any time somebody points out that you are wrong?
>
> Again with the Dem doublespeak. tsk, tsk.

You are thje one trying to convince people Cingular didnt sell unlocked
phones.

Hello

I recently purchased a used V60i on e-bay that was advertised as
unlocked. I bought this only as a backup phone that I could throw into
a pocket when I was in certain places that I couldn't carry my newer phone.

I know the SIM I have (from Cingular) works fine in my 551. When I put
it into the V60i, it asks for a subsidy code.

Does this mean the phone is Not unlocked afterall?

Thanks.

John





Joseph wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:31:06 GMT, "Mr.~G." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>How can you tell if your phone is unlocked?
>
>
> Put a non-cingular SIM card in it. If it says rejected it's locked.
>
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>

JohnK wrote:
> Hello
>
> I recently purchased a used V60i on e-bay that was advertised as
> unlocked. I bought this only as a backup phone that I could throw into
> a pocket when I was in certain places that I couldn't carry my newer phone.
>
> I know the SIM I have (from Cingular) works fine in my 551. When I put
> it into the V60i, it asks for a subsidy code.
>
> Does this mean the phone is Not unlocked afterall?
>
> Thanks.
>
> John

Correct, that means the phone is locked to another carrier number. What
brand does the phone say on it?

Jack Zwick wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>>The poster said his V400 was sold to him unlocked (as was my T637 and I
>>>think a Sony T637 is not a Motorola phone). Now they sell those phones
>>>locked. They learned it from ATTWS.
>>
>>Cingular did sell locked phones before it acquired ATTWS. However, that
>>doesn't mean that *all* of Cingular's phones were locked previously, but
>>it doesn't mean they were unlocked, either.
>
>
> Correct.

Therefore Cingular didn't adopt that practice with the purchase of AWS.

> You are thje one trying to convince people Cingular didnt sell unlocked
> phones.

It was clearly stated that Cingular sold both locked and unlocked phones
before purchasing AWS.

DROP IT.






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In article <[email protected]>, JohnK <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hello
>
> I recently purchased a used V60i on e-bay that was advertised as
> unlocked. I bought this only as a backup phone that I could throw into
> a pocket when I was in certain places that I couldn't carry my newer phone.
>
> I know the SIM I have (from Cingular) works fine in my 551. When I put
> it into the V60i, it asks for a subsidy code.
>
> Does this mean the phone is Not unlocked afterall?
>
> Thanks.
>
> John

Sounds like you answered your own question.

In article <[email protected]>,
Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

> > You are thje one trying to convince people Cingular didnt sell unlocked
> > phones.
>
> It was clearly stated that Cingular sold both locked and unlocked phones
> before purchasing AWS.
>
> DROP IT.
>

Not when the Troll "Jiu" is insulting me for calling him for
his mistatements.

In article <[email protected]>,
Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Jack Zwick wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Tropical Haven <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>The poster said his V400 was sold to him unlocked (as was my T637 and I
> >>>think a Sony T637 is not a Motorola phone). Now they sell those phones
> >>>locked. They learned it from ATTWS.
> >>
> >>Cingular did sell locked phones before it acquired ATTWS. However, that
> >>doesn't mean that *all* of Cingular's phones were locked previously, but
> >>it doesn't mean they were unlocked, either.
> >
> >
> > Correct.
>
> Therefore Cingular didn't adopt that practice with the purchase of AWS.

It certainly does, as now all phones are sold locked; and that only
started in December of 2004.

Thanks very much for the feedback and info. This phone only has the
Motorola logo on it. No company branding anywhere.


John

Tropical Haven wrote:

>
>
> JohnK wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> I recently purchased a used V60i on e-bay that was advertised as
>> unlocked. I bought this only as a backup phone that I could throw
>> into a pocket when I was in certain places that I couldn't carry my
>> newer phone.
>>
>> I know the SIM I have (from Cingular) works fine in my 551. When I
>> put it into the V60i, it asks for a subsidy code.
>>
>> Does this mean the phone is Not unlocked afterall?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> John
>
>
> Correct, that means the phone is locked to another carrier number. What
> brand does the phone say on it?
>

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 10 Mar
2005 13:23:32 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> "Jiu Jitsuperfly" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Tropical Haven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >> What dream world do you live on? You said that Cingular did not sell
>> >> locked phones until they learned that practice from AWS. This is a
>> >> completely FALSE statement. Cingular phones have always been locked. Just
>> >> because a few Motorolas came unlocked does not mean that all the phones
>> >> previously sold were magically unlocked.
>> >
>> > I have heard that for a period of time Cingular sold all world phones
>> > unlocked. I have had access to a few, and they were unlocked, however I
>> > feel my sample was not fairly representing the sales of Cingular handsets
>> > for any period of time.
>>
>> And they will still unlock any world phone for you* if you know the right
>> people to ask.
>>
>> I'm sure Jack will be happy to post this information** since he knows
>> everything there is to know about Cingualr wireless services and policies
>
>Au contraire, it's "Jiu" who (like Navas) acts so arrogant that he knows
>everything, including secret phone numbers on how to activate phones.

I never said anything of the kind. Back into your hole, Jack.

--
Best regards,
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>

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