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  1. #16
    RDF
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    Re: Billing Issues?

    Cingular rates right up there with like the last two weeks of your marriage
    before you get divorce papers, pure hell. Cingular must be the gateway to
    hell. I have had three phones replaced, one antenna and I had to pay **Yes
    ****ing pay** for a 4th replacement as an upgrade because I did not want a
    LG pile of garbage. I wanted a Sony they were offering also as free but,
    since they had my mouth on the hook already they pulled another $100 out of
    my pocket and whole thing must mean I was a real asshole in a past life to
    deserve this ****.

    Rob
    "Ric Kaysen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:ien_d.3062$%[email protected]...
    >
    > "RDF" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Good point. I should buy one of the adapters for my phone and plug it in
    >> to the pc and save it as an mp3 or .wav file. (Tape recorders too old)
    >> This whole thing really pisses me off. I'm going to Verison today in
    >> search of a better deal. This is strike three for them.
    >>
    >>
    >> "L David Matheny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> "RDF" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]...
    >>> <snip>
    >>>> and they (Cingular) said they are not responsible for the
    >>>> rep's mistake and they can't prove he said it. I replied
    >>>> "you record the ****ing calls, play it back" to which
    >>>> retort- "well, we don't record all sir.) I got screwed.
    >>> <snip>
    >>> They may not record all calls, but I certainly intend to
    >>> from now on, at least anytime there's any possibility of
    >>> my plan being changed. I'll ask the rep, of course, but
    >>> when they record them how can they possibly object?

    >
    >
    > This company has provided me with the worst consumer experience of my life
    > and I'm no kid. Since coming over from ATT, I've had nothing but billing
    > screw ups and headaches. My first bill on my $49 plan was something like
    > $400. The best I could get it down was $150. I paid it just to put an end
    > to the phone calls, then they tell me they have no record of the payment.
    > I'm holding the freakin' cancelled check in my hand and they insist they
    > never got paid. Right now, my position with Cingular is it's their problem
    > to find it and leave me the Hell alone. I'll be more than happy to go to
    > Verizon if they cut of my service. The only thing making me hesitate is
    > that GSM has the advantage on the high tech phones.
    >






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  2. #17
    Tropical Haven
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    Re: Billing Issues?



    L David Matheny wrote:
    > "RDF" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > <snip>
    >
    >>and they (Cingular) said they are not responsible for the
    >>rep's mistake and they can't prove he said it. I replied
    >>"you record the ****ing calls, play it back" to which
    >>retort- "well, we don't record all sir.) I got screwed.

    >
    > <snip>
    > They may not record all calls, but I certainly intend to
    > from now on, at least anytime there's any possibility of
    > my plan being changed. I'll ask the rep, of course, but
    > when they record them how can they possibly object?


    Some firms may prohibit the rep from allowing the call to continue. I
    worked in an inbound call centre once, and that was our policy, that we
    ask 3 times it not be recorded, and unless the customer complies, we
    politely terminated the call.

    TH




  3. #18
    Tropical Haven
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    Re: Billing Issues?


    > I paid it just to put an end to
    > the phone calls, then they tell me they have no record of the payment. I'm
    > holding the freakin' cancelled check in my hand and they insist they never
    > got paid.


    Doesn't Cingular use an autodebit system when it comes to cheques, that
    cheques would not be physically returned to the bank? I remember
    getting a letter from Cingular stating that I could terminate my
    contract if I didn't agree to the way it would start processing cheques.
    I think I got the letter in early 2003.

    TH




  4. #19
    L David Matheny
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    Re: Billing Issues?

    "Tropical Haven" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > L David Matheny wrote:
    > > "RDF" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > <snip>
    > >
    > >>and they (Cingular) said they are not responsible for the
    > >>rep's mistake and they can't prove he said it. I replied
    > >>"you record the ****ing calls, play it back" to which
    > >>retort- "well, we don't record all sir.) I got screwed.

    > >
    > > <snip>
    > > They may not record all calls, but I certainly intend to
    > > from now on, at least anytime there's any possibility of
    > > my plan being changed. I'll ask the rep, of course, but
    > > when they record them how can they possibly object?

    >
    > Some firms may prohibit the rep from allowing the call to
    > continue. I worked in an inbound call centre once, and that
    > was our policy, that we ask 3 times it not be recorded, and
    > unless the customer complies, we politely terminated the call.
    >
    > TH
    >

    If they have the right to record the call, then so do I. And if
    they can't see it that way, then they don't deserve my business.





  5. #20
    clifto
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    Re: Billing Issues?

    L David Matheny wrote:
    > If they have the right to record the call, then so do I.


    The law doesn't necessarily agree. <http://www.rcfp.org/taping/>



  6. #21
    RDF
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    Re: Billing Issues?

    Yea, try Schmerber vs. The State of California too. me think's circa-1974

    Don't try to impress me when I'm pissed. I went to college too, I watch
    Dennis Miller's rants, I like them too.
    I would prob. buy you a beer in a bar and laugh it off.... Not now this
    is my turn to be heard. It's not much, but it's a voice.


    "clifto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >L David Matheny wrote:
    >> If they have the right to record the call, then so do I.

    >
    > The law doesn't necessarily agree. <http://www.rcfp.org/taping/>






  7. #22
    L David Matheny
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    Re: Billing Issues?

    "clifto" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > L David Matheny wrote:
    > > If they have the right to record the call, then so do I.

    >
    > The law doesn't necessarily agree. <http://www.rcfp.org/taping/
    >

    OK, there's a good chance (depending on which states are involved)
    that neither of us has the legal right to record the other without consent.
    My point is that if they expect me to consent to being recorded, then
    they should consent to my recording the conversation, too. When
    two parties make a contract, each gets a copy.





  8. #23
    L David Matheny
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    Re: Billing Issues?

    "Tropical Haven" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > L David Matheny wrote:
    > > "RDF" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > <snip>
    > >
    > >>and they (Cingular) said they are not responsible for the
    > >>rep's mistake and they can't prove he said it. I replied
    > >>"you record the ****ing calls, play it back" to which
    > >>retort- "well, we don't record all sir.) I got screwed.

    > >
    > > <snip>
    > > They may not record all calls, but I certainly intend to
    > > from now on, at least anytime there's any possibility of
    > > my plan being changed. I'll ask the rep, of course, but
    > > when they record them how can they possibly object?

    >
    > Some firms may prohibit the rep from allowing the call to
    > continue. I worked in an inbound call centre once, and that
    > was our policy, that we ask 3 times it not be recorded, and
    > unless the customer complies, we politely terminated the call.
    >
    > TH
    >

    As I noted elsewhere, when two parties make a contract, both
    get a copy. When I signed up for AT&T cellular service, they
    gave me a copy of all the paperwork (of course). When they
    want me to extend, if they prefer to use a verbal contract so
    they don't have to mail out any paperwork and I don't have to
    return it, that's OK; I'm certainly in favor of efficiency. But they
    really should send me a copy of the (recorded) verbal contract.

    If doing everything over the phone is just a pretext for denying
    me my copy of the contract (so they can have the benefit of
    reviewing it but I can't), they're not negotiating in good faith.
    And the next time I may just ask to do everything in writing.





  9. #24
    Jerome Zelinske
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    Re: Billing Issues?

    Yup, as long as at least one of the partys in a call knows the call is
    being recored, it is legal. If none of the partys in a call knows the
    call is being recorded, that takes a court order.



  10. #25
    clifto
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    Re: Billing Issues?

    RDF wrote:
    > "clifto" <[email protected]> wrote...
    >>L David Matheny wrote:
    >>> If they have the right to record the call, then so do I.

    >>
    >> The law doesn't necessarily agree. <http://www.rcfp.org/taping/>


    > Yea, try Schmerber vs. The State of California too. me think's circa-1974
    >
    > Don't try to impress me when I'm pissed. I went to college too, I watch
    > Dennis Miller's rants, I like them too.
    > I would prob. buy you a beer in a bar and laugh it off.... Not now this
    > is my turn to be heard. It's not much, but it's a voice.


    Not trying to impress you. The site surprised me, actually, since I had
    thought that my state was a one-party state (i.e. only one party needs
    to permit the recording).

    Not trying to scare you with arrest, fines, either. The problem arises
    when you show up in court to fight Cingular, and it takes them ten whole
    seconds to get the recording dismissed as inadmissible evidence. I'd
    hate to see you fighting the good fight and getting stifled so easily.



  11. #26
    clifto
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    Re: Billing Issues?

    L David Matheny wrote:
    > "clifto" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >> L David Matheny wrote:
    >> > If they have the right to record the call, then so do I.

    >>
    >> The law doesn't necessarily agree. <http://www.rcfp.org/taping/
    >>

    > OK, there's a good chance (depending on which states are involved)
    > that neither of us has the legal right to record the other without consent.
    > My point is that if they expect me to consent to being recorded, then
    > they should consent to my recording the conversation, too. When
    > two parties make a contract, each gets a copy.


    Logically you're faultless. Legally I'd bet you're out of luck.



  12. #27
    L David Matheny
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    Re: Billing Issues?

    "clifto" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    <snip>
    > Not trying to scare you with arrest, fines, either. The problem arises
    > when you show up in court to fight Cingular, and it takes them ten whole
    > seconds to get the recording dismissed as inadmissible evidence. I'd
    > hate to see you fighting the good fight and getting stifled so easily.
    >

    The tape would have to contain your statement that you are taping
    and a statement by Cingular's agent that he has no problem with that.
    If both parties agree to the recording, why would it be inadmissible?
    If he objects to taping, then you wouldn't be in court at all because
    no business would be done by phone, but rather all by written forms.





  13. #28
    clifto
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    Re: Billing Issues?

    L David Matheny wrote:
    > "clifto" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Not trying to scare you with arrest, fines, either. The problem arises
    >> when you show up in court to fight Cingular
    >>

    > The tape would have to contain your statement that you are taping
    > and a statement by Cingular's agent that he has no problem with that.


    That would work. But OP's statement "If they have the right to record
    the call, then so do I" didn't sound like he was going to ask permission.



  14. #29
    John Navas
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    Re: Billing Issues?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:29:36 -0500, "L
    David Matheny" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"clifto" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    ><snip>
    >> Not trying to scare you with arrest, fines, either. The problem arises
    >> when you show up in court to fight Cingular, and it takes them ten whole
    >> seconds to get the recording dismissed as inadmissible evidence. I'd
    >> hate to see you fighting the good fight and getting stifled so easily.
    >>

    >The tape would have to contain your statement that you are taping


    That would be best, but all that's required is notice, and the notice doesn't
    have to be recorded.

    >and a statement by Cingular's agent that he has no problem with that.


    Consent could be implied if Cingular's agent continued the call after being
    informed.

    CAVEAT: I'm not a lawyer, and this isn't legal advice.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  15. #30
    John Navas
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    Re: Billing Issues?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:50:02 -0500, "L
    David Matheny" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"clifto" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >> L David Matheny wrote:
    >> > If they have the right to record the call, then so do I.

    >>
    >> The law doesn't necessarily agree. <http://www.rcfp.org/taping/
    >>

    >OK, there's a good chance (depending on which states are involved)
    >that neither of us has the legal right to record the other without consent.
    >My point is that if they expect me to consent to being recorded, then
    >they should consent to my recording the conversation, too. When
    >two parties make a contract, each gets a copy.


    When you've been advised that the call may be recorded, then I think you have
    a legal right to make a recording as well, but consult your own lawyer -- I'm
    not a lawyer, and this isn't legal advice.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



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