Wha..? no cell phones on planes?

From CNN...

http://tinyurl.com/cnqx7


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Where I live it was 6/17/2005 11:57 PM, when Jer wrote:
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> From CNN...
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> http://tinyurl.com/cnqx7

Something seems a little fishy with Cingular's desire to social
engineer the behavior of flyers by requesting the FAA ban cell phone
calls from airplanes. Wonder what the real reason is? When a company
tries an end run into social engineering I always consider the
possibility that they are trying to create an image of a "caring
company" to hide or smokescreen an unrelated problem.

What's next for Cingular? Banning all cell phone calls on Sunday
until after 12:00 o'clock. :-)

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:57:12 -0500, Jer <[email protected]> wrote:

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> From CNN...
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>http://tinyurl.com/cnqx7


Thank you Cingular! The last thing I need is to sit next to some
inconsiderate person talking on the phone as I try to sleep my way
arcoss the company.

"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:57:12 -0500, Jer <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>
>> From CNN...
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>>http://tinyurl.com/cnqx7
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> Thank you Cingular! The last thing I need is to sit next to some
> inconsiderate person talking on the phone as I try to sleep my way
> arcoss the company.

As opposed to an inconsiderate person talking to the person next to them? Or
worse, me? I can't see where cell phones are going to make it much noiser
than it already is. I put my headphones on and tune it all out.

Whoa.....it is a very simple electronic problem and not social engineering.
You have a "cell" phone designed to work within a "cell". That is a small
area of coverage from one tower. When you get on an airplane to activate
your phone....you then talk not to one cell but dozens or even hundreds from
altitude. That caused a big problem of how to handle it with the network.

You want good 'cell' service then turn the things off in an airplane,
simple.

> phones lack feedback to the earpiece from the microphone

It's called "Sidetone" BTW.

> you then talk not to one cell but dozens or even hundreds from altitude.

The idea was to create a cell on the plane itself so interefence with
terrestial cell site would not be a problem. Your phone seeks out the
strongest signal.

That being said....as a platinum flyer/million miler, I for one hope
cell phones NEVER are allowed in flight. It would be a nightmare. Can
you imagine just 20% of a 767 talking on phones? Endless, mindless
conversations from bored idiots? It's bad enough now during taxi to
the gate when they ARE allowed! To say that it wouldnt be much worse
than it is now is folly. It guarantee it would be much worse...not to
mention those oh-so-cool "look at me holding mycell like a microphone"
Nextel users!

The airplane is the one place of solace where my (or others) phones
never ring. I like that!

Barry - NY

> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:57:12 -0500, Jer <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thank you Cingular! The last thing I need is to sit next to some
> inconsiderate person talking on the phone as I try to sleep my way
> arcoss the company.

Maybe Cingular can stop all conversations while they're at it. It
really sucks to sit next to a person who's talking to someone on his
other side ;-)

tg.

Simply and politely ask him to quiet. If he does no comply, call the flight
attendant. When in close proximity of others, one should tap (SMS) not
talk. People do that very well in Europe and Asia. Why are Americans so
loud?


"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:57:12 -0500, Jer <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> From CNN...
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/cnqx7
>
>
> Thank you Cingular! The last thing I need is to sit next to some
> inconsiderate person talking on the phone as I try to sleep my way
> arcoss the company.

Per JohnF:
>As opposed to an inconsiderate person talking to the person next to them? Or
>worse, me? I can't see where cell phones are going to make it much noiser
>than it already is.

Somewhere read/heard that, unlike regular phones, cell phones lack feedback to
the earpiece from the microphone - so people don't have that subliminal cue to
regulate their voice volume,
--
PeteCresswell

> Why are Americans so loud?

Yes. Why cant we be more like Europeans!
Calm...quiet...docile...peaceful. You know...like their soccer
matches!

:P

Barry - NY

Jim-G wrote:
> Whoa.....it is a very simple electronic problem and not social
> engineering. You have a "cell" phone designed to work within a
> "cell". That is a small area of coverage from one tower. When you
> get on an airplane to activate your phone....you then talk not to one
> cell but dozens or even hundreds from altitude. That caused a big
> problem of how to handle it with the network.
>
> You want good 'cell' service then turn the things off in an airplane,
> simple.

Thank you for offering what may seem an obvious observation, but has gone
missing in this thread. I'd like to add that cell phones were designed with
car use (up to 80mph) in mind but not jet travel (hundreds of mph). Just
imagine the difficulty of handing off at that speed!

;-)

"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Endless, mindless conversations from bored idiots?

Not sure what flights you're on but I hear the same thing now without cell
phones. I'm not sure how it would be much worse.

On 2005-06-18 09:56:34 -0400, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> said:

>> phones lack feedback to the earpiece from the microphone
>
> It's called "Sidetone" BTW.
>
>> you then talk not to one cell but dozens or even hundreds from altitude.
>
> The idea was to create a cell on the plane itself so interefence with
> terrestial cell site would not be a problem. Your phone seeks out the
> strongest signal.
>
> That being said....as a platinum flyer/million miler, I for one hope
> cell phones NEVER are allowed in flight. It would be a nightmare. Can
> you imagine just 20% of a 767 talking on phones? Endless, mindless
> conversations from bored idiots?


Better yet, give 'em all Nextel phones. <BLEEP>BLARBLHARBLAHABLLAHR<BLEEP>

The real reason for No cell phone on planes is the Roaming implications
of a customer taking a flight from New York to Seattle and roaming on
all the canadian towers.

It will also tie up a huge number of channels.

This is a roaming and capacity issue and Not a interference issue.

I have read in this forum where people have been traveling near the
Canadian boarder, and getting huge roaming bills.

Cingular will usually discard the charges, but they do not have to.
If the feds do lift the ban, al lot of poeple will roam on mexican GSM
systems, Canadian systems, and other systems, depending on weather
conditions.

IMHO

Chip



Jer wrote:
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> From CNN...
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> http://tinyurl.com/cnqx7
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> Better yet, give 'em all Nextel phones. <BLEEP>BLARBLHARBLAHABLLAHR<BLEEP>
>

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signal) (no signal) (no signal) (no signal) (no signal) (no signal) (no
signal) (no signal) (no signal) (no signal)
<BLEEP>BLARBLHARBLAHABLLAHR<BLEEP> (no signal) (no signal) (no signal) (no
signal) (no signal) (no signal) (no signal) (no signal) (no signal) (no
signal) (no signal) (no signal) (no signal) (no signal) (no signal)