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  1. #16
    John Navas
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    Re: Cingular - another opinion

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Jul 2005 05:55:05 -0500,
    "BBB" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> Their local store has many extras for my Nokia, and their staff is very
    >> courteous. In fact they had a stereo earphone adapter for only $3 which I
    >> could not locate by calling six independent stores.

    >
    >Just try buying a new Nokia, without a service plan. ...


    No problem here.

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    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



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  2. #17
    John Navas
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    Re: Cingular - another opinion

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:10:42 -0500,
    "BBB" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Cingular will not sell a phone to an existing customer unless they re-up for
    >another 2 years. That's my complaint. No new contract, no phone. Your old
    >phone doesn't work, tough ****. Even for existing customers. That's my
    >complaint.


    Not true. See my earlier post.

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  3. #18
    Jeffrey Kaplan
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    Re: Cingular - another opinion

    It is alleged that Mangus Pyke claimed:

    ; On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:55:46 GMT, "Richard J. Wyble" wrote:
    ; >This is categorically false information, as evidenced by the
    ; >new Nokia 6230 in my pocket. I purchased it from a Cingular
    ; >storefront (not an agent/dealer but a Cingular company
    ; >store), five months into a two-year Cingular contract,
    ; >paying retail price without it affecting my service contract
    ; >in any way.
    ;
    ; Yes, but you had to pay for it..

    Yes, like most people, he realizes that to obtain something legally,
    you usually have to pay for it.

    ; It's entirely unfair the he should have to pay for a new electronic
    ; device.. when Cingular clearly has extras!

    Why is it unfair to pay the full price for something when you obviously
    do not qualify for a discount?

    I have a Treo 650. After experiencing some problems with it during the
    first three weeks, I was told I had a defective unit and since it was
    within the first month, I could simply exchange it at a Cingular
    corporate store, so I did. If it breaks during the warrantee period, I
    would expect to get it replaced by the terms of the warrantee. After
    that, I'm on my own. If I need to replace it, I will be expected to
    pay the full retail price or renew my contract for an additional year
    or two, because normally you only get a discount (ie, the subsidized
    price) on new contracts.

    The retail vs discount price is about half. The unlocked GSM version
    is $700 direct from Palm, and I paid $400 through Cingular. (If I got
    a data plan too, they'd have knocked another $50 off the price.)

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  4. #19
    Isaiah Beard
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    Re: Cingular - another opinion

    BBB wrote:
    >>Their local store has many extras for my Nokia, and their staff is very
    >>courteous. In fact they had a stereo earphone adapter for only $3 which I
    >>could not locate by calling six independent stores.
    >>

    >
    >
    > Just try buying a new Nokia, without a service plan. 1-800-EAT-****



    That's not the correct number.

    And by the way: I'm not sure how tings are done where you are, but I
    just visited in the local stores in Central NJ, and they DO allow people
    to buy phones without plan committments. Each phone in the store has a
    two year contract price, and a "without committment" price listed.



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  5. #20
    Isaiah Beard
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    Re: Cingular - another opinion

    BBB wrote:
    > Simply not true.


    It IS true. I've verified this. Anyone can walk into a Cingular store
    and see it for themselves.

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  6. #21
    Isaiah Beard
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    Re: Cingular - another opinion

    Mangus Pyke wrote:
    > On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:55:46 GMT, "Richard J. Wyble" wrote:
    >
    >>This is categorically false information, as evidenced by the
    >>new Nokia 6230 in my pocket. I purchased it from a Cingular
    >>storefront (not an agent/dealer but a Cingular company
    >>store), five months into a two-year Cingular contract,
    >>paying retail price without it affecting my service contract
    >>in any way.

    >
    >
    > Yes, but you had to pay for it..
    >
    > It's entirely unfair the he should have to pay for a new electronic
    > device.. when Cingular clearly has extras!


    Yeah, people with that kind of mentality amaze me. As if Motorola and
    Nokia were charities, handing out sleek new RAZRs and 6230's out like
    candy.


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  7. #22
    Isaiah Beard
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    Re: Cingular - another opinion

    BBB wrote:

    > Not true Miles. No new contract, no new phone---even if you pay full price
    > for the phone.


    Given your posting history, I get the impression that you're spouting
    this misinformation out like gospel because you want to draw people to
    that cellphone sales website you've been shilling all this time (I won't
    name it because I will not help you spam the newsgroup as you've been
    doing).

    Oh by the way: I checked the prices there. Amazon's no-contract prices
    are FAR cheaper. But if you absolutely, positively, must have a phone
    in your hands today, you CAN walk into a Cingular store and get a new
    phone for full price, without a new commitment.


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  8. #23

    Re: Cingular - another opinion

    On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 02:12:08 GMT, Miles
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >Why do you think the world owes you a living? Of course, Cingular will
    >expect a contract of at least one year for a discount on a phone, and
    >perhaps free if a two-year contract. If you don't want a contract, they
    >will simply sell the phone to you at the retail price. They are the same
    >as most other corporations in a free competitive world, they are not a
    >non-profit charitable institution


    You're not serious, right? The ideal that the price of cellular
    phones is in any way part of the "free competitive world" is extremely
    naive.

    The carriers are keeping a stranglehold on the equipment to keep
    competition out of the equation.

    They have the prices of most cellular phones inflated to incredible
    levels and are using the "free" phone gimmick as a mechanism to keep
    their customers locked into long contracts.



  9. #24
    John Navas
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    Re: Cingular - another opinion

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:37:33
    GMT, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 02:12:08 GMT, Miles
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>Why do you think the world owes you a living? Of course, Cingular will
    >>expect a contract of at least one year for a discount on a phone, and
    >>perhaps free if a two-year contract. If you don't want a contract, they
    >>will simply sell the phone to you at the retail price. They are the same
    >>as most other corporations in a free competitive world, they are not a
    >>non-profit charitable institution

    >
    >You're not serious, right? The ideal that the price of cellular
    >phones is in any way part of the "free competitive world" is extremely
    >naive.
    >
    >The carriers are keeping a stranglehold on the equipment to keep
    >competition out of the equation.
    >
    >They have the prices of most cellular phones inflated to incredible
    >levels and are using the "free" phone gimmick as a mechanism to keep
    >their customers locked into long contracts.


    Nonsense. Unlocked (unsubsidized) phones are freely available at competitive
    prices from independent dealers.

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  10. #25
    Richard J. Wyble
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    Re: Cingular - another opinion

    Jack D. Russell, Sr. wrote (7/26/2005 6:35 AM):

    > ===============================================
    > * Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. <[email protected]>
    > * Newsgroup: alt.cellular.cingular
    > * Reply to: All; "BBB" <[email protected]>
    > * Date:Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:31:34 -0500
    > * Subj: Re: Cingular - another opinion
    > =====================================================
    > B>Not true Miles. No new contract, no new phone---even if you pay
    > B>full price for the phone.
    >
    > Absolutely false. No new contract, no new *subsidized* phone. Anyone can
    > buy a phone from any Cingular storefront by paying *full price* for the
    > phone...NO CONTRACT involved.
    >


    Correct, as I, too, stated earlier. Furthermore, Cingular's
    *full price* for a phone is at times -- I can't say at all
    times -- extremely competitive with pricing from other
    vendors, new Nokia equipment, for example, at prices
    *significantly* less than full retail prices offered by
    Nokia on their website.

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  11. #26

    Re: Cingular - another opinion

    On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:54:53 GMT, John Navas
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >Nonsense. Unlocked (unsubsidized) phones are freely available at competitive
    >prices from independent dealers.


    Hah. Where? I see unlocked phones at outlandish prices. They have a
    heck of a premium attached.

    If you want to know how much a color cellphone is supposed to cost go
    look at Target at the prepaid phones. Little or no subsidy. $49.
    $99. A far cry from the $399 price Sprint puts on many of their
    phones. Admittedly Sprint is the highest price IMHO.





  12. #27
    BBB
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    Re: Cingular - another opinion

    No it's not true---not if you are a former ATTWS customer and on a family
    plan.


    "Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > BBB wrote:
    >> Simply not true.

    >
    > It IS true. I've verified this. Anyone can walk into a Cingular store
    > and see it for themselves.
    >
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  13. #28
    BBB
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    Re: Cingular - another opinion

    Hello Jud,

    The Cingular store on Preston Rd will not. That is, if you are a former
    ATTWS customer (but now fully under contract to Cingular) on a family plan.
    That's what the manager said. If one phone breaks, you must move all 3
    family members to a new, two year Cingular contract.

    Please post the address of the Dallas store you dealt with. I'll be happy
    to contact them in person and continue this saga online, for everyone's
    amusement.

    Regards




    "Jud Hardcastle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    >>
    >> Not true Miles. No new contract, no new phone---even if you pay full
    >> price
    >> for the phone.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > BBB,
    >
    > I don't know why you think this but it's simply not correct. I've had
    > to change phones with Cingular a couple of times over the years where I
    > choose to pay full price and not extend the contract and I've never had
    > them question it--they just entered the new phone info and never touched
    > the contract otherwise. In fact I did that once when the contract had
    > already expired and gone to month-to-month and I knew I was going to
    > have to change plans in the next year but didn't want to immediately.
    > New phone--no new contract at all. I just recently inquired about the
    > SX66 pdaphone and was offered it for full price on my existing month-to-
    > month account--no mention of renewing the expired contract which was
    > clearly on their screen.
    >
    > Maybe you got ahold of a salesperson who was an idiot or you were trying
    > to buy a phone at the subsidized price or trying to ADD the phone
    > instead of substitute it for an existing phone or maybe even your
    > account has been flagged for some reason but I CAN state for a fact that
    > Cingular will sell you a phone for full price without extending the
    > contract.
    > --
    > Jud
    > Dallas TX USA






  14. #29
    BBB
    Guest

    Re: Cingular - another opinion

    Hello Isaiah,

    Thanks for making a trip to the Cingular store on my behalf. The stores
    here in Texas have the same "without commitment" price quoted as well.
    However, that invitation does not apply to a person who is already under a
    contract to Cingular and a former ATTWS customer.


    "Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > BBB wrote:
    >>>Their local store has many extras for my Nokia, and their staff is very
    >>>courteous. In fact they had a stereo earphone adapter for only $3 which
    >>>I could not locate by calling six independent stores.
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> Just try buying a new Nokia, without a service plan. 1-800-EAT-****

    >
    >
    > That's not the correct number.
    >
    > And by the way: I'm not sure how tings are done where you are, but I just
    > visited in the local stores in Central NJ, and they DO allow people to buy
    > phones without plan committments. Each phone in the store has a two year
    > contract price, and a "without committment" price listed.
    >
    >
    >
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  15. #30
    AL
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    Re: Cingular - another opinion

    "BBB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > No it's not true---not if you are a former ATTWS customer and on a family
    > plan.


    Troll Alert!
    He's been told he's wrong by many people, and he keeps adding variations to
    the story about why it's different for him. Nothing but a troll looking for
    responses.

    AL





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