FAQ: How does GAIT work?

[ a m z ] wrote:

>Update... I just talked to Cingular again and was told that Cingular is
>TAKING DOWN the TDMA and analog networks in September. Apparently, people
>with TDMA-only phones are being told they must get new phones.
>
>Good news is that the rep said that this is a sufficiently large change to
>allow you to walk away from your contract without penalty, regardless of the
>time left on it.
>
>
>
>
FCC requirements state that carriers must be maintain the analog network
for the forseeable future. They don't have to use it, but they have to
maintain it. I think the sunset date is either in 2007 or 2008, so that
means analog will be around for *at least* two more years.

TH

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"[ a m z ]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Update... I just talked to Cingular again and was told that Cingular is
> TAKING DOWN the TDMA and analog networks in September. Apparently, people
> with TDMA-only phones are being told they must get new phones.
>

I'm a little skeptical, considering there are resellers who're selling new
TDMA service as I write this. It's possible that Cingular wont sell new
TDMA service has read too much between the lines.

Russell (3 phones indirectly on Cingular TDMA and will be in for shock if
the above happens)

"Russell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "[ a m z ]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Update... I just talked to Cingular again and was told that Cingular is
>> TAKING DOWN the TDMA and analog networks in September. Apparently,
>> people
>> with TDMA-only phones are being told they must get new phones.
>>
>
> I'm a little skeptical, considering there are resellers who're selling new
> TDMA service as I write this. It's possible that Cingular wont sell new
> TDMA service has read too much between the lines.
>

I'd meant to say "It's possible that Cingular wont sell new
TDMA service and the service rep has read too much between the lines."

> Russell (3 phones indirectly on Cingular TDMA and will be in for shock if
> the above happens)
>

Just a possibility, but Cingular might be selling off the TDMA system
to regional or other carriers. In which case, you wouldn't be able to
use a TDMA only phone on Cingular.

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In <blgLe.145$TR.77@lakeread08> on Sat, 13 Aug 2005 02:23:06 -0400, Tropical
Haven <[email protected]> wrote:

>>They want you to get a GSM-only SIM.
>>
>There is no such thing as a GAIT SIM or a GSM-only SIM.

What I meant was an orange SIM, to replace the existing blue SIM, which would
be GSM-only service. The problem, of course, is that orange SIMs won't work
in handsets locked to blue.

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In <[email protected]> on Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:42:39 -0700,
"[ a m z ]" <[email protected]> wrote:

>No, I still have my original contract and terms (for now). Only difference
>is that I talk to "Cingular Blue" customer service people.

In other words, you are being told that you will soon have to migrate from
your blue plan to an orange plan. The problem there is that a blue-locked
phone won't work with an orange SIM (unless you unlock it on your own, because
Cingular won't do it).

>But for those of us in semi-rural areas, having the TDMA as a backup is
>critical.

You'll have to learn to live without it, or switch carriers.

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John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <[email protected]> on Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:29:02 -0700,
"[ a m z ]" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Update... I just talked to Cingular again and was told that Cingular is
>TAKING DOWN the TDMA and analog networks in September. Apparently, people
>with TDMA-only phones are being told they must get new phones.

More likely that the local TDMA blue network is being cut over to orange, and
migrated to GSM. That is of course inevitable.

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "[ a m z ]" <[email protected]>
> Sent: 08/12/2005 9:10 PM -0400
> Subject: How does GAIT work? -- moot point, Cingular stopping GAIT
>

>
> First, I'm not going to post a color scan of a two-page letter. It arrived
> in the mail the other day.


Again, documentation, please.

If you cannot post a scan, I invite you to scan it, send me
the scans, and I will post it on a well-connected website
for all to read at their leisure.

Too many things about your now-multiple posts have elements
of obviously incorrect information in them for the whole to
be taken seriously on its face, e.g., the most recent
reference to a Motorola v551 as a GAIT phone (which it is
not, never has been, and never shall be).

--
RJW

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> Russell (3 phones indirectly on Cingular TDMA and will be in for shock if
> the above happens)
>
Me too--shock that is. I've got a GAIT phone (6340i) on a true GAIT
plan and have NOT received any notices. If I lost GAIT ability I'd have
to get a TDMA/AMPS phone from a rural carrier until the 30-40% of Texas
that hasn't converted does so (if ever)--two phones if Cingular totally
drops TDMA on their towers. Let's hope the OP has been singled out for
some specific reason.

Wonder if it's possible to register the 6340i as TDMA/AMPS on one
carrier but the GSM sim on Cingular? Probably not--the download database
from either would be wrong.
--
Jud
Dallas TX USA

"Richard J. Wyble" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > From: "[ a m z ]:
> >
> > First, I'm not going to post a color scan of a two-page letter. It
> > arrived in the mail the other day.
>
> Again, documentation, please.
>
> If you cannot post a scan, I invite you to scan it, send me
> the scans, and I will post it on a well-connected website
> for all to read at their leisure.

I'll see what I can do this weekend. Don't have a scanner, personally.

> Too many things about your now-multiple posts have elements
> of obviously incorrect information in them for the whole to
> be taken seriously on its face, e.g., the most recent
> reference to a Motorola v551 as a GAIT phone (which it is
> not, never has been, and never shall be).

The V551 comment was in response to "Bob Walker" saying he had two phones on
a GAIT-enabled account -- one of which was a V551. I didn't mean to say it
was GAIT. And, after considering it further, I realized that even if the
GAIT-enabled account was forcibly migrated to GSM, the V551 would work no
matter what.

Other possibilities... related to another poster's comment about them
selling their TDMA to a smaller carrier. PERHAPS... Cingular is "turning
off" only the former ATTWS TDMA system and/or only in the NW region. Since
they had so many problems during the merger, they may be taking it more
slowly this time. Also, since the old ATTWS GAIT phones aren't designed for
Cingular and Cingular doesn't sell GAIT phones any more, they may have
decided to just say "no more" instead of trying to accommodate customers'
needs.

So, perhaps the proper title for the post is that Cingular is turning off
the ATTWS TDMA system (and the related GAIT accounts). It appears that at
least ATTWS GAIT customers are screwed, but Cingular's GAIT folks have gotta
be next...

"John Navas" wrote:
> "[ a m z ]" wrote:
>
> >But for those of us in semi-rural areas, having the TDMA as a backup is
> >critical.
>
> You'll have to learn to live without it, or switch carriers.

Company apologist, are we? They can hold me to a 2-year contract even if it
stops meeting my needs, but I can't hold them to the other side of the deal?
Maybe they should have planned ahead and stopped selling new service and/or
extending contracts.

Jud Hardcastle wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>
>
>>Russell (3 phones indirectly on Cingular TDMA and will be in for shock if
>>the above happens)
>>
>>
>>
>Me too--shock that is. I've got a GAIT phone (6340i) on a true GAIT
>plan and have NOT received any notices. If I lost GAIT ability I'd have
>to get a TDMA/AMPS phone from a rural carrier until the 30-40% of Texas
>that hasn't converted does so (if ever)--two phones if Cingular totally
>drops TDMA on their towers. Let's hope the OP has been singled out for
>some specific reason.
>
>Wonder if it's possible to register the 6340i as TDMA/AMPS on one
>carrier but the GSM sim on Cingular? Probably not--the download database
>from either would be wrong.
>
>
If you obtain a SE T62u with menu functions, I think it might be
possible to register TDMA on a rural carrier and GSM on Cingular. On
some (not all) you can pick between TDMA/AMPS only and GSM only. I'm
not sure how the TDMA portion works, but I know if you put someone
else's SIM in it, you can't make TDMA calls.

TH

I suppose they could try to sell the tdma equipment, but who would buy
it? Did they make tdma phones that were not also amps?

Jerome Zelinske wrote:
> I suppose they could try to sell the tdma equipment, but who would buy
> it?

Probably not any national carriers, but some regional carriers might
take it up if it was the best (or only) service currently available in
that (probably rural) area.

Since it is my understanding that the manufacturers are not or soon
will not be making any more replacement tdma parts, and they are not
making any tdma phones, then no body would want to buy old, used tdma
network equipment.