Dramatic difference

I recently went from being a former ATTWS subscriber with a Moto
V551(ATTWS Sim) to a Cingular subscriber with a new Nokia 6230(Cingular
64K Sim). Prior to the switch, I was ready to give up on both Cingular
and Motorola. Reception was horrible, dropped calls were regular, and I
could barely hear callers. New Cingular service with my Nokia has been
flawless. The performance difference between the Moto and Nokia is like
night vs. day. I often find myself having to adjust the earpiece volume
down on the Nokia. Callers are impressed by the voice quality as well.
Signal strength is better than any phone I have ever used. So I ask,
"what gives?" Is Cingular giving former ATTWS subpar service to force
early migration? Neal

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It's the phone, not the service provider. You went from a phone with
one of the worst RF receptions made to one of the best. We went
from ATT with a T616 and X426 to Cingular with a 551 and 6230
because both phones were useless at our new home.

My wife's new 551 was still absolutely useless while my new 6230
worked without issue. We replaced her 551 with a RAZR and
now she's in business. (We also replaced my 6230 with a 6620
and it's just as good if not better).


<[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I recently went from being a former ATTWS subscriber with a Moto
> V551(ATTWS Sim) to a Cingular subscriber with a new Nokia 6230(Cingular
> 64K Sim). Prior to the switch, I was ready to give up on both Cingular
> and Motorola. Reception was horrible, dropped calls were regular, and I
> could barely hear callers. New Cingular service with my Nokia has been
> flawless. The performance difference between the Moto and Nokia is like
> night vs. day. I often find myself having to adjust the earpiece volume
> down on the Nokia. Callers are impressed by the voice quality as well.
> Signal strength is better than any phone I have ever used. So I ask,
> "what gives?" Is Cingular giving former ATTWS subpar service to force
> early migration? Neal
>

"RobR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:v7mSe.203$jh7.118@trndny06...
> It's the phone, not the service provider. You went from a phone with
> one of the worst RF receptions made to one of the best.

Well yeah, he upgraded from a motorola something to a nokia something. A
"dramatic difference" for the better is predictable when you do something
smart like that. -Dave

Did you get the Nokia 6230 through cingular? I hate the cingular
current phone selection, but because of my business relationship I get
35% of hardware so I hate to buy the phone elsewhere. I was told they
do not have the 6230 anymore, and havent for some time, they told me
they have had so many problems with that phone and had to send so many
back that they pulled it.

Yes, I got it through Cingular. I ordered it through my foundation
business account. I have seen 6230's in Cingular stores as recently as
one month ago, so I'm surprised you are having trouble finding one. Not
one problem with the phone so far...Neal

They supposedly pulled them for a while to update the phone/firmware
but they should be back in stock. I had no problems with mine but
only used it for 2 weeks before I replaced it with a 6620 (I didn't
like that the 6230 media player didnt have the ability to FF/REW).


<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Yes, I got it through Cingular. I ordered it through my foundation
> business account. I have seen 6230's in Cingular stores as recently as
> one month ago, so I'm surprised you are having trouble finding one. Not
> one problem with the phone so far...Neal
>

How do you check your phone for the latest firmware?

I follow howardforums.com to keep up with what's new
in firmware and such. To check the version on the newer
nokias, you type *#0000#

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> How do you check your phone for the latest firmware?
>

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In <v7mSe.203$jh7.118@trndny06> on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 18:41:31 GMT, "RobR"
<[email protected]> wrote:

><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>I recently went from being a former ATTWS subscriber with a Moto
>> V551(ATTWS Sim) to a Cingular subscriber with a new Nokia 6230(Cingular
>> 64K Sim). Prior to the switch, I was ready to give up on both Cingular
>> and Motorola. Reception was horrible, dropped calls were regular, and I
>> could barely hear callers. New Cingular service with my Nokia has been
>> flawless. The performance difference between the Moto and Nokia is like
>> night vs. day. I often find myself having to adjust the earpiece volume
>> down on the Nokia. Callers are impressed by the voice quality as well.
>> Signal strength is better than any phone I have ever used. So I ask,
>> "what gives?" Is Cingular giving former ATTWS subpar service to force
>> early migration? Neal

>It's the phone, not the service provider. You went from a phone with
>one of the worst RF receptions made to one of the best. We went
>from ATT with a T616 and X426 to Cingular with a 551 and 6230
>because both phones were useless at our new home.
>
>My wife's new 551 was still absolutely useless while my new 6230
>worked without issue. We replaced her 551 with a RAZR and
>now she's in business. (We also replaced my 6230 with a 6620
>and it's just as good if not better).

The V551 actually has good RF performance. Big differences are usually the
result of network programming -- you can't meaningfully compare a phone on
"blue" (old ATTWS network) to a different phone on "orange" (old Cingular
network).

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John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> In <v7mSe.203$jh7.118@trndny06> on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 18:41:31 GMT, "RobR"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>I recently went from being a former ATTWS subscriber with a Moto
>>> V551(ATTWS Sim) to a Cingular subscriber with a new Nokia 6230(Cingular
>>> 64K Sim). Prior to the switch, I was ready to give up on both Cingular
>>> and Motorola. Reception was horrible, dropped calls were regular, and I
>>> could barely hear callers. New Cingular service with my Nokia has been
>>> flawless. The performance difference between the Moto and Nokia is like
>>> night vs. day. I often find myself having to adjust the earpiece volume
>>> down on the Nokia. Callers are impressed by the voice quality as well.
>>> Signal strength is better than any phone I have ever used. So I ask,
>>> "what gives?" Is Cingular giving former ATTWS subpar service to force
>>> early migration? Neal
>
>>It's the phone, not the service provider. You went from a phone with
>>one of the worst RF receptions made to one of the best. We went
>>from ATT with a T616 and X426 to Cingular with a 551 and 6230
>>because both phones were useless at our new home.
>>
>>My wife's new 551 was still absolutely useless while my new 6230
>>worked without issue. We replaced her 551 with a RAZR and
>>now she's in business. (We also replaced my 6230 with a 6620
>>and it's just as good if not better).
>
> The V551 actually has good RF performance. Big differences are usually
> the
> result of network programming -- you can't meaningfully compare a phone on
> "blue" (old ATTWS network) to a different phone on "orange" (old Cingular
> network).
>
> --
> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

But I can compare the 551, the 6230b, the RAZR and the 6620 all of which we
had on the orange side. I'm telling you John, the 551 was completely
useless. We
could not make a single outgoing call. It managed to receive a couple from
our
landline if you stood in the kitchen, but those were dropped within 30
seconds.
People may rate it well online compared to the others, but who knows how
many
people who rated it needed to use it in fringe areas.

in the kitchen, but they were typically dropped within

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In <QQyTe.9006$rh.2800@trndny03> on Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:58:08 GMT, "RobR"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:C2yTe.12436$p%[email protected]...

>> The V551 actually has good RF performance. Big differences are usually
>> the
>> result of network programming -- you can't meaningfully compare a phone on
>> "blue" (old ATTWS network) to a different phone on "orange" (old Cingular
>> network).

>But I can compare the 551, the 6230b, the RAZR and the 6620 all of which we
>had on the orange side. I'm telling you John, the 551 was completely
>useless. We
>could not make a single outgoing call. It managed to receive a couple from
>our
>landline if you stood in the kitchen, but those were dropped within 30
>seconds.

Then your V551 was probably either misprogrammed or defective. I've tested
the V551 head-to-head against good phones like the Sony Ericsson Z600 using
the same SIM on the same network, and it performs very well.

>People may rate it well online compared to the others, but who knows how
>many
>people who rated it needed to use it in fringe areas.

My tests included fringe areas with very weak signals.

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>