Auto update and daylight/standard time

Why isn't my phone updating with the change to standard time? It is
set for auto update. If I set it for manual and then set the correct
standard time, it is ok. But then if I set it back to auto update, it
reverts to daylight time (a couple of minutes off at that).

Doesn't the cell provider (Cingular) do all of this stuff
automatically?

Dick Ballard
ballardr@att.net

Dick Ballard <ballardr@att.net> wrote in
news:lvibm1tpc9bp13eo8v9tahkt5dmnufv88h@4ax.com:

> Why isn't my phone updating with the change to standard time? It is
> set for auto update. If I set it for manual and then set the correct
> standard time, it is ok. But then if I set it back to auto update, it
> reverts to daylight time (a couple of minutes off at that).
>
> Doesn't the cell provider (Cingular) do all of this stuff
> automatically?
>
> Dick Ballard
> ballardr@att.net
>

Mine did the same thing...Treo 650, Moto V400, Samsung 427...all the same.
Then, when I get up this a.m. (Monday) they are set correctly. Cingular
must think time changes midnight Sunday or something. That, or just like
no customer service on Sundays there is no other service on Sundays as
well.

I think I've noticed some phones dont update until they receive a call.
I could be wrong on that though.


"Dick Ballard" <ballardr@att.net> wrote in message
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> Why isn't my phone updating with the change to standard time? It is
> set for auto update. If I set it for manual and then set the correct
> standard time, it is ok. But then if I set it back to auto update, it
> reverts to daylight time (a couple of minutes off at that).
>
> Doesn't the cell provider (Cingular) do all of this stuff
> automatically?
>
> Dick Ballard
> ballardr@att.net

From my experience, traditionally Cingular does not get up to speed until
the Monday after time change. Just be patient, it will happen.
If you are needing your time changed on your phone for other reasons, do it
manually and leave the auto-update feature off for a few days.


"Dick Ballard" <ballardr@att.net> wrote in message
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> Why isn't my phone updating with the change to standard time? It is
> set for auto update. If I set it for manual and then set the correct
> standard time, it is ok. But then if I set it back to auto update, it
> reverts to daylight time (a couple of minutes off at that).
>
> Doesn't the cell provider (Cingular) do all of this stuff
> automatically?
>
> Dick Ballard
> ballardr@att.net

Here in Northern California, the auto update had been completed by the time
I checked my V551 at about 7:30 am on Sunday.

In <dk4udn0hf2@enews4.newsguy.com> on Mon, 31 Oct 2005 05:16:04 -0600, "JAW"
<jawolife@hotmail.com> wrote:

>From my experience, traditionally Cingular does not get up to speed until
>the Monday after time change. Just be patient, it will happen.
>If you are needing your time changed on your phone for other reasons, do it
>manually and leave the auto-update feature off for a few days.
>
>"Dick Ballard" <ballardr@att.net> wrote in message
>news:lvibm1tpc9bp13eo8v9tahkt5dmnufv88h@4ax.com.. .
>> Why isn't my phone updating with the change to standard time? It is
>> set for auto update. If I set it for manual and then set the correct
>> standard time, it is ok. But then if I set it back to auto update, it
>> reverts to daylight time (a couple of minutes off at that).
>>
>> Doesn't the cell provider (Cingular) do all of this stuff
>> automatically?

--
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John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In San Antonio, Texas. Not updated as of Monday AM.

TerryS

"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> Here in Northern California, the auto update had been completed by the
> time
> I checked my V551 at about 7:30 am on Sunday.
>
> In <dk4udn0hf2@enews4.newsguy.com> on Mon, 31 Oct 2005 05:16:04 -0600,
> "JAW"
> <jawolife@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>From my experience, traditionally Cingular does not get up to speed until
>>the Monday after time change. Just be patient, it will happen.
>>If you are needing your time changed on your phone for other reasons, do
>>it
>>manually and leave the auto-update feature off for a few days.
>>
>>"Dick Ballard" <ballardr@att.net> wrote in message
>>news:lvibm1tpc9bp13eo8v9tahkt5dmnufv88h@4ax.com. ..
>>> Why isn't my phone updating with the change to standard time? It is
>>> set for auto update. If I set it for manual and then set the correct
>>> standard time, it is ok. But then if I set it back to auto update, it
>>> reverts to daylight time (a couple of minutes off at that).
>>>
>>> Doesn't the cell provider (Cingular) do all of this stuff
>>> automatically?
>
> --
> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

We had to turn off our V551s and turn them back on for them to update -
this was around 9A Sunday.

"TerryS" <sterrys@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>In San Antonio, Texas. Not updated as of Monday AM.
>
>TerryS

TX also, not updated. Samsung 427 GSM. Powered phone off/ on just now,
now it is correct. You'd think it could update without a reboot.

The time is off by 40 seconds. It's changing minutes 40 seconds late.

I thought all this was referenced to something more accurate? GPS?

[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

In <oj7cm15s5qildo19o6bmqcre50g65f8pj0@4ax.com> on Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:42:32
-0600, Merlin <mm1245@netzero.net> wrote:

>"TerryS" <sterrys@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>In San Antonio, Texas. Not updated as of Monday AM.

>TX also, not updated. Samsung 427 GSM. Powered phone off/ on just now,
>now it is correct. You'd think it could update without a reboot.
>
>The time is off by 40 seconds. It's changing minutes 40 seconds late.
>
>I thought all this was referenced to something more accurate? GPS?

CDMA time is precise, a function of network technology, typically referenced
to GPS. The GSM time signal is a service add-on, and thus the accuracy is
dependent on the network operator. My guess is that Cingular's time updates
will get better as network integration is completed.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

I turned mine off and back on and it updated here in North Texas.

"TerryS" <sterrys@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
newsqo9f.4031$Y61.1038@newssvr33.news.prodigy.co m...
> In San Antonio, Texas. Not updated as of Monday AM.

My phone finally updated sometime this AM (Monday). My wife's phone
hadn't updated so I cycled the power on/off and it updated. Location
is Portland OR area.

But both phones are still 2 minutes behind, as they have been since we
got them a month ago. I thought GSM was supposed to be the "latest and
greatest". I can't believe that with all of this high tech around us
the system operators can't get the time of day correct.

Dick Ballard
ballardr@att.net


On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:42:32 -0600, Merlin <mm1245@netzero.net> wrote:

>"TerryS" <sterrys@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>In San Antonio, Texas. Not updated as of Monday AM.
>>
>>TerryS
>
>TX also, not updated. Samsung 427 GSM. Powered phone off/ on just now,
>now it is correct. You'd think it could update without a reboot.
>
>The time is off by 40 seconds. It's changing minutes 40 seconds late.
>
>I thought all this was referenced to something more accurate? GPS?
>

Somewhere around Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:49:55 GMT, while reading
alt.cellular.cingular, I think I thought I saw this post from Dick Ballard
<ballardr@att.net>:

>Why isn't my phone updating with the change to standard time? It is
>set for auto update. If I set it for manual and then set the correct
>standard time, it is ok. But then if I set it back to auto update, it
>reverts to daylight time (a couple of minutes off at that).
>
>Doesn't the cell provider (Cingular) do all of this stuff
>automatically?
>
A lot of it depends on the phone, and the setting for that phone. I've had
several Nokias, and they seem to only update when you power them on; there's
a setting for that. The automatic update never seemed to work correctly.

Then there's my Samsung x426, which doesn't seem to update at all.

--
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well, I have others." - Groucho Marx

Somewhere around Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:49:55 GMT, while reading
alt.cellular.cingular, I think I thought I saw this post from Dick Ballard
<ballardr@att.net>:

I forgot to add that in California bay area, the phones updated on power on
Sunday morning.

--
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"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...
well, I have others." - Groucho Marx

It is alleged that Dick Ballard claimed:

> Why isn't my phone updating with the change to standard time? It is
> set for auto update. If I set it for manual and then set the correct
> standard time, it is ok. But then if I set it back to auto update, it
> reverts to daylight time (a couple of minutes off at that).

I disabled the network time setting on my Cingular Treo because it was
always off by several minutes. This was causing me to be late for
meetings since I use the calendar and alarm feature to handle this
stuff. Instead, I sync the time to my computer, which periodically
syncs to a time server.

I also couldn't help noticing that the Treo changed itself for the end
of Daylight Savings, because for some reason, an alarm went off (at 2
in the morning!) when it happened. I have no clue if it was the Treo
itself or a clock I installed.

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and Delenn, B5 "Ceremonies of Light And Dark")

My cingular updated by 6am Sunday morning.

T


"JAW" <jawolife@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> From my experience, traditionally Cingular does not get up to speed until
> the Monday after time change. Just be patient, it will happen.
> If you are needing your time changed on your phone for other reasons, do
> it manually and leave the auto-update feature off for a few days.
>
>
> "Dick Ballard" <ballardr@att.net> wrote in message
> news:lvibm1tpc9bp13eo8v9tahkt5dmnufv88h@4ax.com...
>> Why isn't my phone updating with the change to standard time? It is
>> set for auto update. If I set it for manual and then set the correct
>> standard time, it is ok. But then if I set it back to auto update, it
>> reverts to daylight time (a couple of minutes off at that).
>>
>> Doesn't the cell provider (Cingular) do all of this stuff
>> automatically?
>>
>> Dick Ballard
>> ballardr@att.net
>
>