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- 11-20-2005, 03:16 PM #1DecTxCowboyGuest
[cross posted in Sprint and Cingular NGs]
I posted several months about loosing 30% of my Sprint coverage area in
North Texas and may have to consider switching over to Cingular.
Apparently Sprint lost its analog roaming partnership in that area as
there is NO coverage indicated on the map now and driving around in the
area confirms the extent of coverage loss - something like 60 miles
across and 20 miles wide. So looking at Cingular and dump Sprint, sans
the ETF.
The Motorola V557 appears to fit my needs - it had EDGE capacity for
tethered laptop access using the $24/month plan for unlimited data added
to your voice plan, camera (a VERY useful function, its not just a toy),
speakerphone, and Bluetooth (once you use a wireless earpiece, you never
go back to the wires).
Am I going to run into any unanticipated unknown issues here?
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- 11-20-2005, 03:26 PM #2SnoopytoGuest
Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular
I left Sprint for Cingular several months ago. Other than my 1st
bill being really high and still fighting with Sprint on the final
charges. Coverage has been better than with Sprint. Granted that is
here in NW Central Florida.
David
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:16:13 GMT, DecTxCowboy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[cross posted in Sprint and Cingular NGs]
>
>I posted several months about loosing 30% of my Sprint coverage area in
>North Texas and may have to consider switching over to Cingular.
>Apparently Sprint lost its analog roaming partnership in that area as
>there is NO coverage indicated on the map now and driving around in the
>area confirms the extent of coverage loss - something like 60 miles
>across and 20 miles wide. So looking at Cingular and dump Sprint, sans
>the ETF.
>
>The Motorola V557 appears to fit my needs - it had EDGE capacity for
>tethered laptop access using the $24/month plan for unlimited data added
>to your voice plan, camera (a VERY useful function, its not just a toy),
>speakerphone, and Bluetooth (once you use a wireless earpiece, you never
>go back to the wires).
>
>Am I going to run into any unanticipated unknown issues here?
- 11-20-2005, 03:46 PM #3John NavasGuest
Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular
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In <xI5gf.21218$q%[email protected]> on Sun, 20 Nov 2005
21:16:13 GMT, DecTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote:
>[cross posted in Sprint and Cingular NGs]
>
>I posted several months about loosing 30% of my Sprint coverage area in
>North Texas and may have to consider switching over to Cingular.
>Apparently Sprint lost its analog roaming partnership in that area as
>there is NO coverage indicated on the map now and driving around in the
>area confirms the extent of coverage loss - something like 60 miles
>across and 20 miles wide. So looking at Cingular and dump Sprint, sans
>the ETF.
>
>The Motorola V557 appears to fit my needs - it had EDGE capacity for
>tethered laptop access using the $24/month plan for unlimited data added
>to your voice plan, camera (a VERY useful function, its not just a toy),
>speakerphone, and Bluetooth (once you use a wireless earpiece, you never
>go back to the wires).
>
>Am I going to run into any unanticipated unknown issues here?
Yep:
* "Tethering" is now prohibited on MEdia packages, and the cheapest laptop
package is (currently) $60/month.
* V557 EDGE (EGPRS) is only about 2/3 of full EDGE speed.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
- 11-20-2005, 04:20 PM #4DecTxCowboyGuest
Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular
John Navas wrote:
> * "Tethering" is now prohibited on MEdia packages, and the cheapest laptop
> package is (currently) $60/month.
Ok, that won't aply to me as we don't have Media out here yet.
> * V557 EDGE (EGPRS) is only about 2/3 of full EDGE speed.
Even 56K is fine for me.
- 11-20-2005, 04:46 PM #5DecTxCowboyGuest
Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> Pray tell?
>
?????
- 11-20-2005, 05:39 PM #6Jud HardcastleGuest
Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular
In article <xI5gf.21218$q%[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> [cross posted in Sprint and Cingular NGs]
>
> I posted several months about loosing 30% of my Sprint coverage area in
> North Texas and may have to consider switching over to Cingular.
> Apparently Sprint lost its analog roaming partnership in that area as
> there is NO coverage indicated on the map now and driving around in the
> area confirms the extent of coverage loss - something like 60 miles
> across and 20 miles wide. So looking at Cingular and dump Sprint, sans
> the ETF.
>
North Texas huh? A word of caution then. Better borrow a GSM phone and
TEST in the exact area you want. There are still areas in north Texas
that do NOT have GSM coverage--still TDMA/AMPS--so you might be going
from pan to fire so to speak. You can't believe the Cingular map--it
seems to assume that all their roaming partners converted at the same
time Cingular did and such is not the case.
--
Jud
Dallas TX USA
- 11-20-2005, 06:50 PM #7DecTxCowboyGuest
Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular
Jud Hardcastle wrote:
> North Texas huh? A word of caution then. Better borrow a GSM phone and
> TEST in the exact area you want. There are still areas in north Texas
> that do NOT have GSM coverage--still TDMA/AMPS--so you might be going
> from pan to fire so to speak.
Gots lots of oil field clients and its pretty much a Cingualr woulrd up
here, haven't heard any complaints..I did a year ago, but not now.
- 11-20-2005, 06:53 PM #8DecTxCowboyGuest
Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> I've never had a camera phone, and am still wondering why I'd want one.
> You're the first I've seen to indicate that it's not just a toy. I was
> wondering why.
I always have my phone with me, sometime you need to catch a pic "right
now". Also, I need to send pics from the field...lot faster than
downloading a pic from a digital camera then emailing it. A real time
picture is worth 10,000,037 words.
- 11-22-2005, 08:57 AM #9DecTxCowboyGuest
Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> You said that a camera on a cell phone isn't just a toy, but
> rather a very useful thing.
Pictures of:
* failed welding joint on a tractor roll bar.
* rusting on another tractor roll bar where base paint was scraped off.
* pricing of items on shelf at lumber store.
* dog and horse injuries to vets.
* safety infractions as you see it happen on an oil drilling rig.
* erroneous building construction details on site.
* dazed look on boyfriend's face when he got thrown from a horse.
* scared look on rodeo buddy's face while sitting on a crazed bull in
the pen waiting for gate to open...priceless.
* damage to soccer mom's SUV when she backed into my 400 pound front
grill guard on my truck. Of course it was *MY* fault SHE backed into my
parked truck.
* leaking oil field well heads.
Just a few examples of my 1300+ pictures over 16 months.
- 11-28-2005, 11:14 PM #10DTCGuest
Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular
"DecTxCowboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<xI5gf.21218$q%[email protected]>...
> So looking at Cingular and dump Sprint, sans the ETF. Am I going to run
> into any unanticipated unknown issues here?
Sprint tech support finally got back to me, one week later, but there was a
hoilday so am not complaining about that. The Sprint tech was very helpful
and agreed that it was not a Sprint issue, per se, but a loss of a roaming
partnership. I made sure he annotated that before closing the trouble
ticket.
Called Sprint CS to see what would be involved in porting my number and then
cancelling my Sprint service. As expected, I was told there would be an ETF.
The policy is, if Sprint still provides service in at your billing address,
then you pay the ETF. That's to be expected.
I kept pointing out that I signed a contract based on Sprint's coverage maps
(even though it was a roaming area) and Sprint no longer provides the
service that I signed up for. Let's not go in to defending Sprint and saying
roaming areas are not their responsibility. Good thing I have a copy of
Spint's coverage map at the time I signed the contract. This is a unique
situation no one could have anticipated.
After going around and around repeating ourselves, I politely thanked her
and hung up the phone.
I'm not even going to bother calling Sprint again. Perhaps I can fast track
this whole mess by filing a oomplaint with the BBB and have the issue
escalated to someone above the drone level.
- 11-28-2005, 11:38 PM #11Jerome ZelinskeGuest
Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular
You signed up for service even though you had a map that showed that
they did not cover an area where you wanted to use your phone. The area
they cover has not gotten smaller. Which means you have no complaint.
They do not have to let you out of your contract without an etf.
- 11-29-2005, 11:31 AM #12SMSGuest
Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular
DTC wrote:
> Called Sprint CS to see what would be involved in porting my number and then
> cancelling my Sprint service. As expected, I was told there would be an ETF.
> The policy is, if Sprint still provides service in at your billing address,
> then you pay the ETF. That's to be expected.
Yet they are happy to sign up customers that have no service at their
billing address.
> I kept pointing out that I signed a contract based on Sprint's coverage maps
> (even though it was a roaming area) and Sprint no longer provides the
> service that I signed up for. Let's not go in to defending Sprint and saying
> roaming areas are not their responsibility. Good thing I have a copy of
> Spint's coverage map at the time I signed the contract. This is a unique
> situation no one could have anticipated.
It's a tough situation. All you can do is keep repeating, my phone no
longer works in the places it worked when I purchased it. Do the terms
of the contract say anything about roaming versus non-roaming coverage,
i.e. is there a disclaimer about Sprint not having control over coverage
changes by their roaming partners?
Forget the BBB. They are useless. If you want to take it to small claims
court you have to first have them bill your credit card for the ETF.
Most likely they wouldn't show up in court, but then you have to
actually get the money back from them, which will probably be impossible.
OTOH, you could cancel the credit card that is billed for your service,
and make them come after you for the ETF. Eventually they will send your
account to collections, which will put it on your credit report if you
don't pay, and then you can challenge the information on your credit
report as being incorrect. An ETF from Sprint on your credit report,
when combined with your dispute letter, will likely have a trivial
effect, if any, on your credit score.
I know one person who got out of their Sprint contract due to coverage
issues, but in his case it was no Sprint coverage where it once existed,
not roaming coverage that disappeared.
- 11-29-2005, 11:38 AM #13DTCGuest
Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular
"Jerome Zelinske" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You signed up for service even though you had a map that showed that they
> did not cover an area where you wanted to use your phone. The area they
> cover has not gotten smaller. Which means you have no complaint. They do
> not have to let you out of your contract without an etf.
What in the world are you talking about? Have you been reading what I have
been saying in my posts?
I said I signed up for a service based on a map that CLEARY showed they
covered the area I wanted to use my phone.
The area got smaller by 60 miles x 20 miles.
I have a complaint.
- 11-29-2005, 12:53 PM #14DTCGuest
Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular
"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yet they are happy to sign up customers that have no service at their
> billing address.
Verified - Actuslly I just tried that this morning for the fun of it. Gave
them a billing home address in the dead area and they said they could sign
nme up.
> Do the terms of the contract say anything about roaming versus non-roaming
> coverage, i.e. is there a disclaimer about Sprint not having control over
> coverage changes by their roaming partners?
There might be, but that's not a loop hole for them to not waive ETF.
> I know one person who got out of their Sprint contract due to coverage
> issues, but in his case it was no Sprint coverage where it once existed,
> not roaming coverage that disappeared.
Unlike my case where roaming disappeared. Nevertheless, the old map that I
based my renewal showed coverage, but not anymore.
- 11-29-2005, 10:24 PM #15Mij AdyawGuest
Re: Moving from Sprint to Cingular
Why would Sprint remove coverage from an existing coverage area? That does
not make any sense to me. Are you sure that he was not roaming all of the
time and Sprint dropped the roaming agreement?
> I know one person who got out of their Sprint contract due to coverage
> issues, but in his case it was no Sprint coverage where it once existed,
> not roaming coverage that disappeared.
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