Pust to talk

Mark W. Oots wrote:
> "Sam K" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Just spoke to a customer service representative form cingular and from
>> what she said push to talk service will be ready in January.
>>
> Did she say what year?

There were issues with CALEA compliance, but I thought that this was
solved. It keeps getting pushed out, a month or two at a time. Really no
big deal considering the underwhelming response to PTT offerings by
other carriers. I suppose that when the iDEN network is shut down, that
at least all the other carriers will be on an equal footing in terms the
poor quality of their PTT.

Cingular better launch PTT with more than just a couple of handsets, and
not price it obscenely. Amusingly, with Verizon the best part of PTT was
that it flopped so badly that the V60p phones were reworked into the
V60s, one of Verizon's best handsets ever, one that was in extremely
high demand, until of course they ran out of them and never made more.

There's a good market for PTT out there, from all the Nextel subscribers
that hate the crappy coverage, but there isn't a market for crappy PTT.

At my wife's office they call PTT, PTA (push to annoy). They have to
keep it turned off for confidentiality, and the coverage is so bad that
they all have to carry a second phone from another carrier.

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:15:45
-0800, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mark W. Oots wrote:
>> "Sam K" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Just spoke to a customer service representative form cingular and from
>>> what she said push to talk service will be ready in January.
>>>
>> Did she say what year?
>
>There were issues with CALEA compliance, but I thought that this was
>solved. It keeps getting pushed out, a month or two at a time. Really no
>big deal considering the underwhelming response to PTT offerings by
>other carriers. I suppose that when the iDEN network is shut down, that
>at least all the other carriers will be on an equal footing in terms the
>poor quality of their PTT.

You're (again) misinformed -- Cingular is reportedly deploying the Kodiak
technology, which has *more* functionality than iDEN (Nextel).

>Cingular better launch PTT with more than just a couple of handsets,

Because...?

>and
>not price it obscenely.

I'm guessing it will be competitive with Nextel/Sprint.

>There's a good market for PTT out there, from all the Nextel subscribers
>that hate the crappy coverage, but there isn't a market for crappy PTT.

Which is why Cingular is reportedly going with Kodiak.

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John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> I don't care what ELSE may be coming down the pike. I also recognize
> that whatever Cingular may do, others will also do. More functionality
> than iDEN? Today, maybe. Tomorrow? You think Sprint will let iDEN
> stand still?

The issue with Verizon's PTT was not a lack of functionality, it was
that the latency was so terrible. From the reports about Cingular's PTT
trials, the intitial latency is still an issue, but once the connection
is established, the latency is comparable to what Nextel offers.

OTOH, for many users, the appeal of PTT is not so much the walkie-talkie
feature (where latency is very important), but the group calling
feature. I think that people will put up with the higher initial latency
in exchange for the much wider coverage of Cingular's network, but it's
very hard to get businesses to switch.

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:26:30
-0800, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

>Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>> I don't care what ELSE may be coming down the pike. I also recognize
>> that whatever Cingular may do, others will also do. More functionality
>> than iDEN? Today, maybe. Tomorrow? You think Sprint will let iDEN
>> stand still?
>
>The issue with Verizon's PTT was not a lack of functionality, it was
>that the latency was so terrible. From the reports about Cingular's PTT
>trials, the intitial latency is still an issue, but once the connection
>is established, the latency is comparable to what Nextel offers.

The difference in initial latency isn't a real issue. What matters is ongoing
latency.

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Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

Jeremy wrote:
>> "Sam K" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Just spoke to a customer service representative form cingular and from
>>> what she said push to talk service will be ready in January.
>>>
>
> Any info on what this will cost? How much will the phones be selling for?

The cost is reported to be $10/month for a single line, for unlimited
PTT, or $20 for all phones on a family plan, or $5 per phone (not clear
if it's whichever is less or whichever is more).

Business pricing for large businesses is negotiable.

As to the handsets, it isn't clear what the subsidized prices will be.

The initial handsets are supposed to be the Samsung D357, and LG F7200.
Supposedly Nokia has the 5140 with PTT but it isn't going to be released
at the initial launch due to some issues.

The launch has been apparently pushed out again. Can't blame them for
wanting everything perfect for the launch, given the disastrous Verizon
PTT launch.

"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Having read the white papers on both technologies,

And without having posted the links to them it's nothing more than just your
opinion, doubtlessly worth the price paid for it.

> If all you are going to do is act like a misinformed juvenile,
> please move on to the next post.

Likewise, if all you're going to act like is a sanctimonius ass the please,
move on.

> You'll have to better than that.

Indeed, advice worth taking, try it.

"wkearney99" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Having read the white papers on both technologies,
>
> And without having posted the links to them it's nothing more than just
> your
> opinion, doubtlessly worth the price paid for it.

I'm sorry- I know I can't match the level of useful knowledge represented in
John's repetitive response of "Cingular is reportedly deploying the Kodiak
technology, which has *more* functionality than iDEN (Nextel)."

>
>> If all you are going to do is act like a misinformed juvenile,
>> please move on to the next post.
>
> Likewise, if all you're going to act like is a sanctimonius ass the
> please,
> move on.

No- my act contains much more than that. I don't hold a candle to Navas in
the sanctimonius ass department.

>
>> You'll have to better than that.
>
> Indeed, advice worth taking, try it.
>

I'm sorry- did you get the impression I was trying to impress you? If so,
please recalibrate your expectations.

"Sam K" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just spoke to a customer service representative form cingular and from
what
> she said push to talk service will be ready in January.
>
>
Having tested one of the Cingular PTT devices and looking at the way the
groupings go - as compared to Nextel - and IMHO -
1. Latency issue with Cingular PTT. Not as "fast" connecting to another
person.
2. Adding the users - groups - or whatever and only with permissions seems
like a winner.
3. Only 2 models of phones at this time - but that (you would think) has got
to change real quick - especially if one of the 2 offered is an LG

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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:46:55 -0700,
"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"wkearney99" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Having read the white papers on both technologies,
>>
>> And without having posted the links to them it's nothing more than just
>> your
>> opinion, doubtlessly worth the price paid for it.
>
>I'm sorry- I know I can't match the level of useful knowledge represented in
>John's repetitive response of "Cingular is reportedly deploying the Kodiak
>technology, which has *more* functionality than iDEN (Nextel)."

Here's a thought: Check out the Kodiak technology for yourself.

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Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Here's a thought: Check out the Kodiak technology for yourself.
>

No- here's a thought: learn how to read. I've already said that I have.

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In <[email protected]> on Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:51:42
-0700, "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> Here's a thought: Check out the Kodiak technology for yourself.
>
>No- here's a thought: learn how to read. I've already said that I have.

It's patently obviously that you don't really know anything about it, so that
would leave us with a reading comprehension problem. Oh well.

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John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> It's patently obviously that you don't really know anything about it, so
> that
> would leave us with a reading comprehension problem. Oh well.
>
Thanks for the uneducated opinion again, John. I haven't seen anything of
any value come from your keyboard in this thread.

I'm sure I have a much better understanding than you.

Oh well.

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In <%[email protected]> on Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:46:35
GMT, "Cliff" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Sam K" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Just spoke to a customer service representative form cingular and from what
>> she said push to talk service will be ready in January.
>>
>Having tested one of the Cingular PTT devices

Kodiak or PoC?

>and looking at the way the
>groupings go - as compared to Nextel - and IMHO -
>1. Latency issue with Cingular PTT. Not as "fast" connecting to another
>person.

The same time as voice call setup. In session latency is as good or better
than iDEN (Nextel).

>2. Adding the users - groups - or whatever and only with permissions seems
>like a winner.

Agreed.

>3. Only 2 models of phones at this time - but that (you would think) has got
>to change real quick - especially if one of the 2 offered is an LG

Indeed -- that's the big issue.

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Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:55:57 -0600, InTheKnow
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>John Navas Wrote:
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>>
>> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 27 Nov 2005
>> 04:40:23
>> -0500, "Sam K" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Just spoke to a customer service representative form cingular and from
>> what
>> >she said push to talk service will be ready in January.
>>
>> That might simply be an internal rumor or just a guess on her part.
>>
>> It was supposed to have been launched this year.
>>
>> Only time will tell.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS
>> John Navas
>> <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
>
>
>I can tell you that the PTT is ready to go. And it will blow the
>others away in features and reliability. The best feature is the
>ability to set up groups of people to "talk" to at the same time, up to
>20. Contractor or manager needs to communicate to a staff at the same
>time? Select the group, push the button, voila!! Killer.


RIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT, and Nextel already does this

wolla

On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:09:55 -0700, "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"InTheKnow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> I can tell you that the PTT is ready to go. And it will blow the
>> others away in features and reliability. The best feature is the
>> ability to set up groups of people to "talk" to at the same time, up to
>> 20. Contractor or manager needs to communicate to a staff at the same
>> time? Select the group, push the button, voila!! Killer.
>>
>
>Nextel has been offering this for quite a while.
>
Scott

Let him go he's on a roll