Cingular pushes the PTT button

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In <[email protected]> on Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:34:26
-0700, "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Nextel has it sewn up because there was no viable alternative. Cingular's
>> PTT is supposed to be almost as good as Nextel's, with the difference only
>> in the initial latency. For that trade-off you get a much larger network.
>
>And nobody to talk to- the only way it becomes viable is if everybody moves
>from Nextel. Unlikely.

Not everybody, just your call list.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>Nextel has
>>that market sewn up.
>
> I doubt that, and note that Cingular now has a big business presence
> thanks to
> the AT&T Wireless merger.
>

Big, but not the biggest.

>Notice, John, how your vaunted Motorola phones all have speakerphones,
>which means they're equally subject to causing rudeness.

No No No. It's not having a phone, with or without speaker phone
capability, that is rude.

It is the PERSON holding the phone, and the coversation, who is RUDE
or POLITE. The technology is neutral - it's the PERSON.

RUDE people were RUDE, long before the tool called the phone :-)

"Merlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >Notice, John, how your vaunted Motorola phones all have speakerphones,
>>which means they're equally subject to causing rudeness.
>
> No No No. It's not having a phone, with or without speaker phone
> capability, that is rude.
>
> It is the PERSON holding the phone, and the coversation, who is RUDE
> or POLITE. The technology is neutral - it's the PERSON.
>
> RUDE people were RUDE, long before the tool called the phone :-)
>
>

Great point.

One thing neat about Cingular's push to talk is that you can push a button a
convert it to a regular cell phone call (or just have the PTT play through
the normal earpiece so as not to disturb anyone.

Fred

"Merlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >Oh goody. Lots more conversations across the restaurant to listen to.
>>Think I'll take somebody's advise here and start walking over and
>>standing beside their table until they shut off the speakerphone.
>
> I agreee.. but.. my work-provided nextell.. there's a big button
> prominently positioned. If I press that, even "PTT" walkie talkie use
> is like a phone call - except, one must wait, press the button, then
> speak.. but it's a "private" call, just like a phone call on this
> handset. Every nextel has that, and I would bet Cing will implement it
> also. Of course, no one will use it! :-)
>
>

"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> One thing neat about Cingular's push to talk is that you can push a button
> a convert it to a regular cell phone call (or just have the PTT play
> through the normal earpiece so as not to disturb anyone.
>

If by saying that you can covert it to a regular call you mean that you
don't need to use speakerphone, that is at least 5 year old technology on
the Nextel side. I will assume that this is what you mean, as the Kodiak
technology does not have the functionality to convert to regular cellular
mode at the push of a button (Gee, John- I must have read about it).

"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote:

>One thing neat about Cingular's push to talk is that you can push a button a
>convert it to a regular cell phone call (or just have the PTT play through
>the normal earpiece so as not to disturb anyone.
>
>Fred

The Nextels do this also. No one seems to know how to do it, but it's
a special, easy to locate button which does just as you've described.

John Navas wrote:
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> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:34:26
> -0700, "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>>>Nextel has it sewn up because there was no viable alternative. Cingular's
>>>PTT is supposed to be almost as good as Nextel's, with the difference only
>>>in the initial latency. For that trade-off you get a much larger network.
>>
>>And nobody to talk to- the only way it becomes viable is if everybody moves
>
>>from Nextel. Unlikely.
>
> Not everybody, just your call list.
>


John's right... a call list could be any group of users that need to
share a common network where a PTT feature is useful. The group-call
feature cannot be matched with pure cellular.

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Scott wrote:
> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
>>>Nextel has
>>>that market sewn up.
>>
>>I doubt that, and note that Cingular now has a big business presence
>>thanks to
>>the AT&T Wireless merger.
>>
>
>
> Big, but not the biggest.
>
>


Big enough. Nextel's skinny coverage has a big and growing contender
with, despite the holes, a coverage map Nextel only has wet dreams
about. So, Cingular has decided to finally pull the trigger on their
PTT with an LG handset. Good for them. I wouldn't be surprised if,
despite all the dead lab rats, real world usage in the hands of Mr/Ms.
Public turns up a bug or two somewhere in the PTT food chain. Who
knows, they may even figure out how to deal with this "initial" latency
issue that seems so prominent lately. If this new service offering
plays a tune, maybe other handset manufacturers will want to dance.

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In <[email protected]> on Sun, 04 Dec 2005
15:13:45 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Merlin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >Notice, John, how your vaunted Motorola phones all have speakerphones,
>> >which means they're equally subject to causing rudeness.
>>
>> No No No. It's not having a phone, with or without speaker phone
>> capability, that is rude.
>>
>> It is the PERSON holding the phone, and the coversation, who is RUDE
>> or POLITE. The technology is neutral - it's the PERSON.
>
>That was my point: Navas's vaunted Motorola phones, about which he
>seems so snooty,

Snooty? To be clear, Motorola is only one of several top brands. Others
include Nokia, Samsung, Siemens, and Sony Ericsson. It just happens that
Motorola currently makes the best phone for my particular needs (V551). Other
people may well have different needs and/or prefer different brands.

>give the person equal capability to exhibit rudeness as
>the Nextel stuff does.

But much less likely -- people rarely turn on speakerphones in public, whereas
a fair number of NEXTEL folks seem to revel in public walkie talkie mode.

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 05 Dec 2005
23:49:23 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >give the person equal capability to exhibit rudeness as
>> >the Nextel stuff does.
>>
>> But much less likely -- people rarely turn on speakerphones in public, whereas
>> a fair number of NEXTEL folks seem to revel in public walkie talkie mode.
>
>And you think someone else's walkie-talkie mode will have people
>behaving differently?

I didn't say that.

>You live in a dream world, Navas--but then, we all knew that.

You live in a nasty world. Pity.

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In <[email protected]> on Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:06:24 -0700,
"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:TSGkf.44786$sg5.28729@dukeread12...

>> One thing neat about Cingular's push to talk is that you can push a button
>> a convert it to a regular cell phone call (or just have the PTT play
>> through the normal earpiece so as not to disturb anyone.
>
>If by saying that you can covert it to a regular call you mean that you
>don't need to use speakerphone, that is at least 5 year old technology on
>the Nextel side.

Not true -- NEXTEL PTT stays PTT until completed.

> will assume that this is what you mean, as the Kodiak
>technology does not have the functionality to convert to regular cellular
>mode at the push of a button (Gee, John- I must have read about it).

Actually it does. Perhaps your reading comprehension needs work.

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In <[email protected]> on Sun, 04 Dec 2005
15:12:32 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <TSGkf.44786$sg5.28729@dukeread12>, "Fred" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>> One thing neat about Cingular's push to talk is that you can push a button a
>> convert it to a regular cell phone call (or just have the PTT play through
>> the normal earpiece so as not to disturb anyone.
>
>Jesus, people! Do you ALL think that Nextel's PTT is by definition
>through the speaker only?
>
>A simple button push puts it through the earpiece. That people DON'T do
>that is because people are STUPID.

True, but it's still half-duplex PTT, not a true cellular voice call, unlike
the Kodiak technology Cingular is using.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 4 Dec 2005
> 12:06:24 -0700,
> "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:TSGkf.44786$sg5.28729@dukeread12...
>
>>> One thing neat about Cingular's push to talk is that you can push a
>>> button
>>> a convert it to a regular cell phone call (or just have the PTT play
>>> through the normal earpiece so as not to disturb anyone.
>>
>>If by saying that you can covert it to a regular call you mean that you
>>don't need to use speakerphone, that is at least 5 year old technology on
>>the Nextel side.
>
> Not true -- NEXTEL PTT stays PTT until completed.
>

Absolutely true- reread what I posted. Maybe Hooked on Phonics would help
you understand.

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:48:41 -0700,
"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 4 Dec 2005
>> 12:06:24 -0700,
>> "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:TSGkf.44786$sg5.28729@dukeread12...
>>
>>>> One thing neat about Cingular's push to talk is that you can push a
>>>> button
>>>> a convert it to a regular cell phone call (or just have the PTT play
>>>> through the normal earpiece so as not to disturb anyone.
>>>
>>>If by saying that you can covert it to a regular call you mean that you
>>>don't need to use speakerphone, that is at least 5 year old technology on
>>>the Nextel side.
>>
>> Not true -- NEXTEL PTT stays PTT until completed.
>
>Absolutely true- reread what I posted. Maybe Hooked on Phonics would help
>you understand.

May be Hooked on Writing would help your case. That's not what you wrote.

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