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- 12-06-2005, 10:31 AM #31Mike T.Guest
Re: Why IS IT...
>
> Indeed. There's also the problem of people running up and stiffing the
> dealer
> on large air time bills, so the issue is even bigger than that. There's
> just
> not enough margin in cellular sales.
As I wrote before, have the handsets programmed to ONLY connect to
911
other customers of the same cellular provider (mobile to mobile enabled) AND
customer service 800 number
No large airtime bills. -Dave
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- 12-06-2005, 11:49 PM #32John NavasGuest
Re: Why IS IT...
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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 6 Dec
2005 11:31:00 -0500, "Mike T." <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Indeed. There's also the problem of people running up and stiffing the
>> dealer
>> on large air time bills, so the issue is even bigger than that. There's
>> just
>> not enough margin in cellular sales.
>
>As I wrote before, have the handsets programmed to ONLY connect to
>911
>other customers of the same cellular provider (mobile to mobile enabled) AND
>customer service 800 number
Not practical.
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- 12-07-2005, 10:37 PM #33TabooLexiconGuest
Re: Why IS IT...
First of all, the premise that even the low-end phones cost providers
virtually nothing is a farse. Why would any of them charge for half of
their low end phones at all if they cost nothing? They subsidize the
price because they know they'll make it up with rate plans and
features. That means, they paid more for the phone that you are paying
up front.
Test driving phones sounds like a great marketing idea. Perhaps
D-Mobile could do it since the other carriers who have been in the
business for years on end have no idea how to operate effectively in
the industry.
- 12-07-2005, 10:54 PM #34cliftoGuest
Re: Why IS IT...
TabooLexicon wrote:
> First of all, the premise that even the low-end phones cost providers
> virtually nothing is a farse. Why would any of them charge for half of
> their low end phones at all if they cost nothing?
You've GOT to be kidding.
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my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.
- 12-07-2005, 11:31 PM #35John NavasGuest
Re: Why IS IT...
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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:54:01 -0600,
clifto <[email protected]> wrote:
>TabooLexicon wrote:
>> First of all, the premise that even the low-end phones cost providers
>> virtually nothing is a farse. Why would any of them charge for half of
>> their low end phones at all if they cost nothing?
>
>You've GOT to be kidding.
Because ... ?
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- 12-08-2005, 02:47 PM #36cliftoGuest
Re: Why IS IT...
John Navas wrote:
> clifto <[email protected]> wrote:
>>TabooLexicon wrote:
>>> First of all, the premise that even the low-end phones cost providers
>>> virtually nothing is a farse. Why would any of them charge for half of
>>> their low end phones at all if they cost nothing?
>>
>>You've GOT to be kidding.
>
> Because ... ?
They do it because they CAN. They do it because there's zero competition;
if you want a phone that works on their network, and you're not one of
the savvy few who can eBay one, you'll pay whatever they want. They do
it because all the others still do it, for the same reasons just given.
When Verizon goes to Motorola and says, "I'll take 10,000 of this one
and 25,000 of that one and 40,000 of this other one," they are paying
only a small fraction of the retail price for each unit.
I see that Cingular *is* giving some low-end phones away (with 2-year
contract, of course, and possibly a rebate). These phones probably
cost them less than a ticket to the movies. Wonder if that's to
entice AT&T TDMA customers?
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If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.
- 12-08-2005, 03:01 PM #37SMSGuest
Re: Why IS IT...
Dave wrote:
> Again, you should NEVER buy a car from a dealer that insists on having
> someone accompany you on a test drive. Only the shadiest of car dealers
> operate that way.
I was surprised the first time a dealer just handed me the keys and told
me to take the vehicle out myself. I still wouldn't make any judgment as
to the dealer's character based on this.
- 12-08-2005, 03:06 PM #38SMSGuest
Re: Why IS IT...
Mike T. wrote:
>> Indeed. There's also the problem of people running up and stiffing the
>> dealer
>> on large air time bills, so the issue is even bigger than that. There's
>> just
>> not enough margin in cellular sales.
>
> As I wrote before, have the handsets programmed to ONLY connect to
> 911
> other customers of the same cellular provider (mobile to mobile enabled) AND
> customer service 800 number
>
> No large airtime bills. -Dave
Actually it's quite easy to do the 911 part of that because unactivated
handsets will connect just fine. The problem there is that you may be
roaming onto a non-native network and not know it.
It wouldn't be difficult for a cellular store to have a few phones that
they let people take out as loaners in order to test coverage. As you
said, they could have them set up only to call in-network.
- 12-08-2005, 03:14 PM #39SMSGuest
Re: Why IS IT...
TabooLexicon wrote:
> First of all, the premise that even the low-end phones cost providers
> virtually nothing is a farse.
"Virtually nothing" is an exaggeration. The low end phones still cost
the carrier around $40. This will fall to around $25 in 2006, and $15 in
2007.
> Why would any of them charge for half of
> their low end phones at all if they cost nothing?
That statement is some kind of a joke, right? Since when do carriers set
their prices based on the cost. Look at Verizon's $30 car chargers!
The reason for no "trial phones" is that the carrier doesn't want you to
find out about coverage issues. They know that even if coverage is poor,
most people won't go through the hassle of returning the phone and
canceling, in time. Furthermore, most people don't even realize how
limited coverage is until they travel around a bit.
- 12-08-2005, 04:44 PM #40DaveGuest
Re: Why IS IT...
> Dave wrote:
>
>> Again, you should NEVER buy a car from a dealer that insists on having
>> someone accompany you on a test drive. Only the shadiest of car dealers
>> operate that way.
>
> I was surprised the first time a dealer just handed me the keys and told
> me to take the vehicle out myself.
I'm sorry to hear that. That you were surprised, that is. It should have
been something that you EXPECTED to happen. -Dave
- 12-08-2005, 04:44 PM #41DaveGuest
Re: Why IS IT...
>> As I wrote before, have the handsets programmed to ONLY connect to
>> 911
>> other customers of the same cellular provider (mobile to mobile enabled)
>> AND
>> customer service 800 number
>>
>> No large airtime bills. -Dave
>
> Actually it's quite easy to do the 911 part of that because unactivated
> handsets will connect just fine. The problem there is that you may be
> roaming onto a non-native network and not know it.
>
> It wouldn't be difficult for a cellular store to have a few phones that
> they let people take out as loaners in order to test coverage. As you
> said, they could have them set up only to call in-network.
>
THANK YOU!!! People are objecting to this idea as if it's such a hardship
for cellular providers to do this, yet (as I wrote a long time ago), it is a
lot less risk to the cellular provider than a car dealership handing you the
keys to a brand new car for a test drive. And while the test drive in the
car is somewhat redundant (you wouldn't be driving it if you were absolutely
opposed to buying it), testing the cellular network is NECESSARY. Even if
you want to sign a cellular contract, you won't know if that's a smart thing
to do until AFTER you've taken the handset home, to work, etc. So if
anything, it should be MORE COMMON for cellular providers to loan handsets
for network testing than it is for car dealers to allow test drives of new
cars. -Dave
- 12-08-2005, 04:45 PM #42DaveGuest
Re: Why IS IT...
> That statement is some kind of a joke, right? Since when do carriers set
> their prices based on the cost. Look at Verizon's $30 car chargers!
>
. . . that sell at a 100% profit margin on ebay for $.99, and the non-oem
ones for a penny!!! -Dave
- 12-08-2005, 06:17 PM #43SMSGuest
Re: Why IS IT...
Dave wrote:
>
>
>> Dave wrote:
>>
>>> Again, you should NEVER buy a car from a dealer that insists on having
>>> someone accompany you on a test drive. Only the shadiest of car dealers
>>> operate that way.
>> I was surprised the first time a dealer just handed me the keys and told
>> me to take the vehicle out myself.
>
> I'm sorry to hear that. That you were surprised, that is. It should have
> been something that you EXPECTED to happen. -Dave
I just thought it strange, because they didn't even ask me for a
driver's license or anything.
- 12-08-2005, 06:19 PM #44SMSGuest
Re: Why IS IT...
Dave wrote:
>
>>> As I wrote before, have the handsets programmed to ONLY connect to
>>> 911
>>> other customers of the same cellular provider (mobile to mobile enabled)
>>> AND
>>> customer service 800 number
>>>
>>> No large airtime bills. -Dave
>> Actually it's quite easy to do the 911 part of that because unactivated
>> handsets will connect just fine. The problem there is that you may be
>> roaming onto a non-native network and not know it.
>>
>> It wouldn't be difficult for a cellular store to have a few phones that
>> they let people take out as loaners in order to test coverage. As you
>> said, they could have them set up only to call in-network.
>>
>
> THANK YOU!!! People are objecting to this idea as if it's such a hardship
> for cellular providers to do this, yet (as I wrote a long time ago), it is a
> lot less risk to the cellular provider than a car dealership handing you the
> keys to a brand new car for a test drive.
Of course the carriers that would object to the trial idea would also
likely be the ones with the lousy coverage.
Personally, if I were a carrier that was confident in my coverage, I'd
have phones from all the competitors to lend out as well, simultaneously.
- 12-08-2005, 06:20 PM #45SMSGuest
Re: Why IS IT...
Dave wrote:
>
>> That statement is some kind of a joke, right? Since when do carriers set
>> their prices based on the cost. Look at Verizon's $30 car chargers!
>>
>
> . . . that sell at a 100% profit margin on ebay for $.99, and the non-oem
> ones for a penny!!! -Dave
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Yeah, with $6-7 shipping.
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