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- 04-03-2006, 05:57 PM #16Jeff LiebermannGuest
Re: Nayas Admits Errors, Promises to Be Honest Going Forward, Switches to Verizon
John Navas <[email protected]> hath wroth:
>Switching to Cingular is
>actually part of the turnaround plan. No matter how you try to spin it.
I had a funny thing happen to my while buying some parts at the Scotts
Valley Radio Shock store on Saturday. I was looking at the broshures
for Nextel-Sprint, trying to decode the coverage area maps and service
offers. The sales person shuffles up and asks if I need assistance
and without missing a beat, offers to shove me in the direction of the
Cingular display. I indicated that I wasn't interested in Cingular
and wanted to see if Nextel-Sprint had coverage in my area. I knew
that it did not, but wanted to see if there were any plans on the
maps. So, I asked about coverage in San Lorenzo Valley, and was told
that Cingular covers that area quite well. I again indicated that I
wasn't interested in Cingular and asked what was their problem with
Nextel-Sprint. The answer was something like "Doesn't matter because
Cingular is better".
My crystal ball tells me that not only are there problems selling
Verizon, but Nextel-Sprint may shortly follow. Please treat this as
one of my anecdotal rumors.
Incidentally, the junk flush cutting diagonal cutters I purchased for
$5 were dull out of the box. They couldn't even cut CAT5 wires
without mushrooming the ends. I had to file an edge, but it was dull
after about 10 cuts. Not even hardened steel. The previous model
flush cutters were much better, sharp, and cheaper.
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- 04-03-2006, 06:36 PM #17John NavasGuest
Re: Nayas Admits Errors, Promises to Be Honest Going Forward, Switches to Verizon
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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:57:02
-0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
>John Navas <[email protected]> hath wroth:
>>Switching to Cingular is
>>actually part of the turnaround plan. No matter how you try to spin it.
>
>I had a funny thing happen to my while buying some parts at the Scotts
>Valley Radio Shock store on Saturday. I was looking at the broshures
>for Nextel-Sprint, trying to decode the coverage area maps and service
>offers. The sales person shuffles up and asks if I need assistance
>and without missing a beat, offers to shove me in the direction of the
>Cingular display. I indicated that I wasn't interested in Cingular
>and wanted to see if Nextel-Sprint had coverage in my area. I knew
>that it did not, but wanted to see if there were any plans on the
>maps. So, I asked about coverage in San Lorenzo Valley, and was told
>that Cingular covers that area quite well. I again indicated that I
>wasn't interested in Cingular and asked what was their problem with
>Nextel-Sprint. The answer was something like "Doesn't matter because
>Cingular is better".
>
>My crystal ball tells me that not only are there problems selling
>Verizon, but Nextel-Sprint may shortly follow. Please treat this as
>one of my anecdotal rumors.
You're actually right on the money -- Sprint-Nextel have also been
disappointing for Radio Shack:
<http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060112/radioshack_outlook.html?.v=3>
The retailer expected its Verizon sales to dip but was disappointed that
sales of Sprint phones, which it heavily promoted, didn't rise enough to
make up the difference.
<http://www.mobilemodo.com/archives/2006/01/radioshack_wireless_sales_drop.html>
Sprint's merger with Nextel last August evidently did not provide the big
increase in sales that they both were expecting.
--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
- 04-03-2006, 07:04 PM #18SMSGuest
Re: Nayas Admits Errors, Promises to Be Honest Going Forward, Switchesto Verizon
Jeff Liebermann wrote:
<snip>
> My crystal ball tells me that not only are there problems selling
> Verizon
? I think you meant Cingular.
> but Nextel-Sprint may shortly follow. Please treat this as
> one of my anecdotal rumors.
I worked with a lady that lived in the Seven Springs area of Cupertino.
She told met that she'd had Sprint for like many years, and it never
worked at her house. Sprint coverage is marginal in many parts of the
Bay Area because they are all 1900 Mhz which requires more towers to
cover a given area, and penetrates less well into buildings. My old boss
got out of his Sprint contract with no termination fee because he had no
coverage at his house.
The article about Radio Shack's problems selling Cingular did mention
that the problem varied by region.
- 04-03-2006, 07:12 PM #19DecaturTxCowboyGuest
Re: Nayas Admits Errors, Promises to Be Honest Going Forward, Switchesto Verizon
Scott wrote:
> Or could it be that he wrote this for the amusement of those of us who
> recognize you for the buffoon you truly are?
DING DING DING DING...We have a winner!
- 04-03-2006, 07:19 PM #20John NavasGuest
Re: Nayas Admits Errors, Promises to Be Honest Going Forward, Switches to Verizon
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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:04:52
-0700, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> My crystal ball tells me that not only are there problems selling
>> Verizon
>
>? I think you meant Cingular.
>
>> but Nextel-Sprint may shortly follow. Please treat this as
>> one of my anecdotal rumors.
>
>I worked with a lady that lived in the Seven Springs area of Cupertino.
>She told met that she'd had Sprint for like many years, and it never
>worked at her house. Sprint coverage is marginal in many parts of the
>Bay Area because they are all 1900 Mhz which requires more towers to
>cover a given area, and penetrates less well into buildings. My old boss
>got out of his Sprint contract with no termination fee because he had no
>coverage at his house.
>
>The article about Radio Shack's problems selling Cingular did mention
>that the problem varied by region.
Complete fantasy.
--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
- 04-03-2006, 07:53 PM #21Guest
Re: Nayas Admits Errors, Promises to Be Honest Going Forward, Switches to Verizon
In ba.internet Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
> Incidentally, the junk flush cutting diagonal cutters I purchased for
> $5 were dull out of the box. They couldn't even cut CAT5 wires
> without mushrooming the ends. I had to file an edge, but it was dull
> after about 10 cuts. Not even hardened steel. The previous model
> flush cutters were much better, sharp, and cheaper.
Thanks for that warning shot. I've used their dykes in the past and found
them fairly good. I'll avoid the latest. I hate poor quality tools.
- 04-03-2006, 08:02 PM #22John NavasGuest
Re: Nayas Admits Errors, Promises to Be Honest Going Forward, Switches to Verizon
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In <[email protected]> on 04 Apr 2006 01:53:17 GMT,
[email protected] wrote:
>In ba.internet Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Incidentally, the junk flush cutting diagonal cutters I purchased for
>> $5 were dull out of the box. They couldn't even cut CAT5 wires
>> without mushrooming the ends. I had to file an edge, but it was dull
>> after about 10 cuts. Not even hardened steel. The previous model
>> flush cutters were much better, sharp, and cheaper.
>
>Thanks for that warning shot. I've used their dykes in the past and found
>them fairly good. I'll avoid the latest. I hate poor quality tools.
I'm equally disappointed with what Sears has done to Craftsman.
I've been happy with Home Depot's own Husky brand hand tools.
--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
- 04-03-2006, 08:09 PM #23ScottGuest
Re: Nayas Admits Errors, Promises to Be Honest Going Forward, Switches to Verizon
"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> You're actually right on the money -- Sprint-Nextel have also been
> disappointing for Radio Shack:
>
Now. let me get this right- when anecdotal informarmation is posted that
fits your childish agenda it is acceptable, but anything else is immediately
dismissed by you. How hypocritical.
The fact that Sprint-Nextel coverage was not available in the area asked
about is something that a good salesperson would have known. The story,
while quite charming, comes far from proving anything. But go ahead, John-
please feel free to look like a fool any time.
- 04-03-2006, 08:10 PM #24ScottGuest
Re: Nayas Admits Errors, Promises to Be Honest Going Forward, Switches to Verizon
"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Complete fantasy.
>
Something you are quite familiar with, as most of your posts would fall into
this category.
- 04-03-2006, 08:57 PM #25Jeff LiebermannGuest
Re: Nayas Admits Errors, Promises to Be Honest Going Forward, Switches to Verizon
SMS <[email protected]> hath wroth:
>Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> My crystal ball tells me that not only are there problems selling
>> Verizon
>? I think you meant Cingular.
No, I meant Verizon. See:
| http://www.businessweek.com/investor...9366_pi036.htm
| http://www.smartmoney.com/onedaywond...story=20050801
"Verizon Wireless and RadioShack are moving in opposite directions
as it relates to wireless-communications sales," said Lowell
McAdam, chief operating officer of Verizon Wireless, in a written
statement Monday. "It no longer made sense to continue the
relationship given the high cost of this channel relative to other
distribution channels and our insistence that growth and profit be
balanced."
Note that it's from about 6 months ago. The comments on Verizon and
Radio shack revenue is interesting. (Note the optimistic outlook
sections). RS split with Verizon because they could get a better
piece of the action from Sprint and Cingular.
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
- 04-03-2006, 10:13 PM #26QuickGuest
Re: Nayas Admits Errors, Promises to Be Honest Going Forward, Switches to Verizon
Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> SMS <[email protected]> hath wroth:
>
>> Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> My crystal ball tells me that not only are there
>>> problems selling Verizon
>
>> ? I think you meant Cingular.
>
> No, I meant Verizon. See:
>>
http://www.businessweek.com/investor..._9366_pi036.ht
m
>> http://www.smartmoney.com/onedaywond...story=20050801
>
> "Verizon Wireless and RadioShack are moving in
> opposite directions as it relates to
> wireless-communications sales," said Lowell McAdam,
> chief operating officer of Verizon Wireless, in a
> written statement Monday. "It no longer made sense to
> continue the relationship given the high cost of this
> channel relative to other distribution channels and
> our insistence that growth and profit be balanced."
>
> Note that it's from about 6 months ago. The comments on
> Verizon and Radio shack revenue is interesting. (Note
> the optimistic outlook sections). RS split with Verizon
> because they could get a better piece of the action from
> Sprint and Cingular.
So that sounds like VZW dropped RS as a channel partner. It
sounds like VZW was willing to pay the higher costs of using
RS as a channel until they grew enough that it was no longer
worth the cost for the added growth?
-Quick
- 04-03-2006, 10:22 PM #27John NavasGuest
Re: Nayas Admits Errors, Promises to Be Honest Going Forward, Switches to Verizon
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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 04 Apr 2006
04:13:43 GMT, "Quick" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> SMS <[email protected]> hath wroth:
>>
>>> Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> My crystal ball tells me that not only are there
>>>> problems selling Verizon
>>
>>> ? I think you meant Cingular.
>>
>> No, I meant Verizon. See:
>>>
>http://www.businessweek.com/investor..._9366_pi036.ht
>m
>>> http://www.smartmoney.com/onedaywond...story=20050801
>>
>> "Verizon Wireless and RadioShack are moving in
>> opposite directions as it relates to
>> wireless-communications sales," said Lowell McAdam,
>> chief operating officer of Verizon Wireless, in a
>> written statement Monday. "It no longer made sense to
>> continue the relationship given the high cost of this
>> channel relative to other distribution channels and
>> our insistence that growth and profit be balanced."
>>
>> Note that it's from about 6 months ago. The comments on
>> Verizon and Radio shack revenue is interesting. (Note
>> the optimistic outlook sections). RS split with Verizon
>> because they could get a better piece of the action from
>> Sprint and Cingular.
>
>So that sounds like VZW dropped RS as a channel partner. It
>sounds like VZW was willing to pay the higher costs of using
>RS as a channel until they grew enough that it was no longer
>worth the cost for the added growth?
Most accounts are that Radio Shack dumped Verizon, not the other way around:
"RadioShack Dumps Verizon, Adds Cingular"
<http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/radioshack.html>
"RadioShack dumps Verizon for Cingular"
<http://www.mobiletracker.net/archives/2005/08/01/radioshack-cingular>
"Radio Shack To Ditch Verizon for Cingular"
<http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1307>
"Radioshack Dumps Verizon for Cingular"
<http://www.firstadopter.com/fa/archives/001155.html>
"RadioShack Dials Into Cingular, Sprint, Nextel, and Hangs Up On Verizon"
<http://www.techweb.com/wire/networking/166404265>
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Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
- 04-04-2006, 05:42 AM #28GomJabbarGuest
Re: Nayas Admits Errors, Promises to Be Honest Going Forward, Switches to Verizon
Verizon was one of Radio Shacks products. As such, it would be more
appropriate to say in a headline that Radio Shack dumped one of it's
products, rather than the product dumped Radio Shack. I doubt if
Verizon wanted to reduce it's in-store presence, but I can see that
Verizon might have gotten greedy (or Radio Shack could have gotten
greedy) regarding the markup they would allow Radio Shack (and keep
Radio Shack competitive selling Verizon in the marketplace - or in
other words make the shelf space in Radio Shack worth it to Radio Shack
to keep selling Verizon).
So saying that Radio Shack dumped Verizon in a headline may not tell
the real story.
- 04-04-2006, 04:04 PM #29RicoGuest
Re: Nayas Admits Errors, Promises to Be Honest Going Forward, Switches to Verizon
In article <[email protected]>, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
>In <[email protected]> on Mon, 03 Apr 2006 11:59:49
>-0700, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Tinman wrote:
>>> On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:45:30 GMT, John Navas
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>>>>
>>>> In <[email protected]> on Sat, 01 Apr 2006 07:42:55
>>>> -0800, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [SNIP]
>>>> My goodness, Steven, that's an amazing amount of time and effort by someone
>>>> that professes to ignore me. Guess I must have really touched a nerve.
>>>> Was is because of exposing some of your wilder claims? How wrong you were
>>>> about Radio Shack?
>>>
>>> ROFLMAO!
>>>
>>> ==========================================
>>> RadioShack Shares Hit Low on Downgrade
>>> APR. 3 10:26 A.M. ET
>>> Shares of RadioShack Corp. hit a 52-week low on Monday after an analyst
>>> said the electronics retailer's transition to selling Cingular products
>>> appeared to be "more difficult" than expected, and downgraded the
>>> stock...
>>>
> "http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8GOJ1BG0.htm?campaign_id=apn_ho
>me_down&chan=db"
>>> ==========================================
>>>
>>> You are at least useful for entertainment value, John. Really, you
>>> should go into comedy or something...
>>
>>Radio Shack is closing 480 stores, their stock has been downgraded
>>because of the loss of Verizon wireless sales, and has hit a 52 week
>>low. No way to spin this into something positive, but I expect that
>>he'll try.
>
>Hardly positive. Radio is the victim of its own mismanagement, and is on a
>long downhill slide. As shown in my other response here, problems stem in
>part from poor sales of *Verizon* in *2005*. Switching to Cingular is
>actually part of the turnaround plan. No matter how you try to spin it.
John, Have you heard whether or not cingular will be renamed to AT&T after
the Atlanta take over?
>
fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
- 04-04-2006, 04:24 PM #30John NavasGuest
Re: Nayas Admits Errors, Promises to Be Honest Going Forward, Switches to Verizon
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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:04:53 GMT,
[email protected] (Rico) wrote:
>John, Have you heard whether or not cingular will be renamed to AT&T after
>the Atlanta take over?
While I haven't heard anything definitive, I think it's a good bet that
Cingular will be renamed to (the new) at&t if and when the merger is
completed.
--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
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