USB to Bluetooth cellphone speed?

I want to buy a USB bluetooth device to connect my Motorola V551 to my
laptop. I use a cable now. I use Datapilot to upload & download phone
numbers, pictures, ringtones, etc. I also use my 551 as my wireless modem
to access the internet. Is there a 1.1 vs. 2.0 issue I should be concerned
with? Will the $14.99 Q-Stor USB to IrDA device limit my thru-put? I'm not
concerned with distance between the laptop and the V551, just with speed.

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In <djKZf.65$Jk2.48@fed1read03> on Sat, 8 Apr 2006 01:16:12 -0700, "P Hoberg"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I want to buy a USB bluetooth device to connect my Motorola V551 to my
>laptop. I use a cable now. I use Datapilot to upload & download phone
>numbers, pictures, ringtones, etc. I also use my 551 as my wireless modem
>to access the internet. Is there a 1.1 vs. 2.0 issue I should be concerned
>with? Will the $14.99 Q-Stor USB to IrDA device limit my thru-put? I'm not
>concerned with distance between the laptop and the V551, just with speed.

IrDA?

Bluetooth (any version) to USB (any version) won't limit your Internet speed
*if* you set the port speed high enough. See the FAQ below.

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Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

Thanks, John. Ignore my IrDA (infrared? Duh!) question. I was just worried
that like USB 1.0 vs. 2.0, there is some bluetooth standard I should worry
about. I've always used the 1.0 USB port on my laptop because my 2.0 USB PC
card caused problems I couldn't get around, and I believed any USB speed was
much faster than what the serial port on the phone was capable of. I just
found "The first generation of Bluetooth permits exchange of data up to a
rate of 1 Mbps per second" via Google, so unless USB 1.0 is a limitation,
I'll just get the cheapest adapter Fry's or MicroCenter sells. You helped
me get "MEdiaNetUnlimited" working as my internet modem a few months ago
(thanks again), so I think my phone's speed is set correctly.

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <djKZf.65$Jk2.48@fed1read03> on Sat, 8 Apr 2006 01:16:12 -0700, "P
> Hoberg"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I want to buy a USB bluetooth device to connect my Motorola V551 to my
>>laptop. I use a cable now. I use Datapilot to upload & download phone
>>numbers, pictures, ringtones, etc. I also use my 551 as my wireless modem
>>to access the internet. Is there a 1.1 vs. 2.0 issue I should be
>>concerned
>>with? Will the $14.99 Q-Stor USB to IrDA device limit my thru-put? I'm
>>not
>>concerned with distance between the laptop and the V551, just with speed.
>
> IrDA?
>
> Bluetooth (any version) to USB (any version) won't limit your Internet
> speed
> *if* you set the port speed high enough. See the FAQ below.
>
> --
> Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 16:48:39 UTC, "P Hoberg"
<[email protected]> wrote:


I believe a lot of it depends on how fast you can setup your "modem"
speed in the computer. With my Motorola, I can't seem to set the
speed any faster than 115K in Windows using Bluetooth. Probably isn't
too much of an issue with Edge, but if and when I can get UTMS, I
would definately hope for more.

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So you think my USB cable is potentially faster to the V551 phone than
bluetooth? But I'd like the simplicity of bluetooth vs. having to deal with
the clumsy, distance limiting cable. Especially if I suffer little or no
speed penalty. Now I'm having difficulty having my Win XP Pro with SP2
connect successfully. It finds the phone and even sets it as Com 12, but
maybe the security number is my problem? Any thoughts? TIA, Paul

"Kevin K" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:KIRoJuEXw9g9-pn2-HriEPryiTSGY@ecs...
> On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 16:48:39 UTC, "P Hoberg"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> I believe a lot of it depends on how fast you can setup your "modem"
> speed in the computer. With my Motorola, I can't seem to set the
> speed any faster than 115K in Windows using Bluetooth. Probably isn't
> too much of an issue with Edge, but if and when I can get UTMS, I
> would definately hope for more.
>
> --
>

P Hoberg wrote:
> I'm not
> concerned with distance between the laptop and the V551, just with speed.

The speed of Bluetooth vs. cable for an internet connection irrelevant .
The maximum speed for data Cingular claims is 170 Kbps - a fraction of
what Bluetooth is capable of.

"Users should experience average speeds of 100 kbps to 150 kbps." as
advertised by Cingular's website.

On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:39:13 UTC, "P Hoberg"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> So you think my USB cable is potentially faster to the V551 phone than
> bluetooth? But I'd like the simplicity of bluetooth vs. having to deal with
> the clumsy, distance limiting cable. Especially if I suffer little or no
> speed penalty. Now I'm having difficulty having my Win XP Pro with SP2
> connect successfully. It finds the phone and even sets it as Com 12, but
> maybe the security number is my problem? Any thoughts? TIA, Paul
>
> "Kevin K" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:KIRoJuEXw9g9-pn2-HriEPryiTSGY@ecs...
> > On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 16:48:39 UTC, "P Hoberg"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I believe a lot of it depends on how fast you can setup your "modem"
> > speed in the computer. With my Motorola, I can't seem to set the
> > speed any faster than 115K in Windows using Bluetooth. Probably isn't
> > too much of an issue with Edge, but if and when I can get UTMS, I
> > would definately hope for more.
> >
> > --
> >
>
>
>

I know that I had difficulty in getting bluetooth to work on my XP
box. There were issues of getting 2 sets of drivers fighting over the
dongle (drivers that came with the box, drivers in SP2). It took
several reinstall cycles, and disabling some drivers, before I could
get it to work. Also, I ended up buying MPT and having to use that,
since I could not get DUN to work directly.

About a month ago, I tried DUN directly again, and it works. And
starts up MUCH faster than MPT.

If it was the security number, it should be prompting you for it.

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In alt.cellular.cingular P Hoberg <[email protected]> wrote:
> So you think my USB cable is potentially faster to the V551 phone than
> bluetooth? But I'd like the simplicity of bluetooth vs. having to deal
> with the clumsy, distance limiting cable. Especially if I suffer little
> or no speed penalty. Now I'm having difficulty having my Win XP Pro with
> SP2 connect successfully. It finds the phone and even sets it as Com 12,
> but maybe the security number is my problem? Any thoughts? TIA, Paul

The maximum speed setting is in Connection Properties of either the USB or
Bluetooth Modem. I have my v551 Bluetooth set at 230400. With Windows XP
SP2, I see about 30Kbps in non-EDGE areas, and 70-100Kbps in EDGE areas.

What are you trying to do with com12? There are two things that are
important with Bluetooth, the V551, and Motorola Phone Tools, that I use
for transferring photos and sync of the phone book. The drivers from WinXP
try very hard to install themselves, even if you have already loaded the
software that came with the dongle. If you have two Bluetooth icons in
your systray, you have a problem. There are steps outlined in various
places about what to do with the WinXP drivers, which aren't fully
featured. They are the preferred device by the automatic loader, but they
lack features that you need.

For my DLink DBT-120, I loaded the drivers from the CDROM, and then had to
make some adjustments to get the automatically-installed WinXP-SP2 out of
the way. http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=2146
The steps here are generic enough that they might apply regardless of which
dongle you get. A co-worker bough the DLink because he knew mine worked...
They should all work, and the speed should be fine. John Navas found a
good price on a Zonet ZUB6111C USB 1.1 Bluetooth Dongle, and it works for
him. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833130024

The other is port number. MPT won't work above com 10. You need to delete
the lower numbered ports so that the Bluetooth can install below 10. Make
sure that you always use the same USB port for your dongle so that it
doesn't create additional ports.

There are some things that require the cable, like SEEM edits.

Thanks, that's what I get with my cable, and hope to with bluetooth.

"DecaturTxCowboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>P Hoberg wrote:
>> I'm not concerned with distance between the laptop and the V551, just
>> with speed.
>
> The speed of Bluetooth vs. cable for an internet connection irrelevant .
> The maximum speed for data Cingular claims is 170 Kbps - a fraction of
> what Bluetooth is capable of.
>
> "Users should experience average speeds of 100 kbps to 150 kbps." as
> advertised by Cingular's website.

XP picked com12 even tho lower numbers are unused. I use the com port when
I use DataPilot to do it's tricks with the phone. The cable still works
fine (it has a lower XP assigned com number) both with DataPilot and as a
modem. XP does get to the point of asking what kind of number assignment I
want to use, then if I let XP pick the number, the phone asks me to enter
it, then rejects my answer as incorrect. Then XP thinks it has a cellphone,
but the phone doesn't. I'll use device manager to remove the driver, then
use the CD that came with my IOGear GBU221WM class II adapter. Maybe I'll
have better luck. Then I'll try to figure out how to get a lower com number
assigned. I always use the same USB 1.0 port on my laptop - "if it ain't
broke, don't fix it!"

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In alt.cellular.cingular P Hoberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>> So you think my USB cable is potentially faster to the V551 phone than
>> bluetooth? But I'd like the simplicity of bluetooth vs. having to deal
>> with the clumsy, distance limiting cable. Especially if I suffer little
>> or no speed penalty. Now I'm having difficulty having my Win XP Pro with
>> SP2 connect successfully. It finds the phone and even sets it as Com 12,
>> but maybe the security number is my problem? Any thoughts? TIA, Paul
>
> The maximum speed setting is in Connection Properties of either the USB or
> Bluetooth Modem. I have my v551 Bluetooth set at 230400. With Windows XP
> SP2, I see about 30Kbps in non-EDGE areas, and 70-100Kbps in EDGE areas.
>
> What are you trying to do with com12? There are two things that are
> important with Bluetooth, the V551, and Motorola Phone Tools, that I use
> for transferring photos and sync of the phone book. The drivers from
> WinXP
> try very hard to install themselves, even if you have already loaded the
> software that came with the dongle. If you have two Bluetooth icons in
> your systray, you have a problem. There are steps outlined in various
> places about what to do with the WinXP drivers, which aren't fully
> featured. They are the preferred device by the automatic loader, but they
> lack features that you need.
>
> For my DLink DBT-120, I loaded the drivers from the CDROM, and then had to
> make some adjustments to get the automatically-installed WinXP-SP2 out of
> the way. http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=2146
> The steps here are generic enough that they might apply regardless of
> which
> dongle you get. A co-worker bough the DLink because he knew mine
> worked...
> They should all work, and the speed should be fine. John Navas found a
> good price on a Zonet ZUB6111C USB 1.1 Bluetooth Dongle, and it works for
> him. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833130024
>
> The other is port number. MPT won't work above com 10. You need to
> delete
> the lower numbered ports so that the Bluetooth can install below 10. Make
> sure that you always use the same USB port for your dongle so that it
> doesn't create additional ports.
>
> There are some things that require the cable, like SEEM edits.
>
>

In alt.cellular.cingular P Hoberg <[email protected]> wrote:
> it, then rejects my answer as incorrect. Then XP thinks it has a
> cellphone, but the phone doesn't. I'll use device manager to remove the
> driver, then use the CD that came with my IOGear GBU221WM class II
> adapter. Maybe I'll have better luck. Then I'll try to figure out how
> to get a lower com number assigned. I always use the same USB 1.0 port
> on my laptop - "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

I would definitely use the IOGear drivers.
The Windows XP provides a minimal set of features with regards to
Cellphones.

I never used the "laptop connection to cellphone" feature.
I haven't explored the utility of that function.
I currently use a USB headset for VoIP. Maybe that same headset would talk
over the cell phone with slightly better audio than the cellphone, but I
don't understand why one would use that setup.

I'm more interested in an alternate mix of the Bluetooth devices.
A Bluetooth phone, connects to PC for Internet tether and phonebook sync.
A Bluetooth headset/earpiece to connect to the phone, and also to connect
to the PC as a VoIP headset with Skype and Cisco Softphone.

I use the Bluetooth OBEX file transfer to move pictures and movies back and
forth between phone and PC.

I can't use the "modem" features to dial out as a fax modem or as a dialup
internet connection, because that's not supported by my Cingular features.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5

Thanks, everyone who helped me. Everything I want to do is working.
DataPilot sees the phone via bluetooth as COM14. My "MEdiaNetUnlimited"
works using the same dial string "*99***3#" that my cable connection uses,
so I have between 115K and 140K, fast enuf for my browsing and email needs
when I'm away from my cable modem, for $19.95 per month for unlimited
access, not using my minutes.

"P Hoberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:djKZf.65$Jk2.48@fed1read03...
I want to buy a USB bluetooth device to connect my Motorola V551 to my
laptop. I use a cable now. I use Datapilot to upload & download phone
numbers, pictures, ringtones, etc. I also use my 551 as my wireless modem
to access the internet. Is there a 1.1 vs. 2.0 issue I should be concerned
with? Will the $14.99 Q-Stor USB to IrDA device limit my thru-put? I'm not
concerned with distance between the laptop and the V551, just with speed.

P Hoberg wrote:
> for $19.95 per month for unlimited
> access, not using my minutes.

I'm getting real leary of people using the MediaNet tethered to their
phone.

Got a call from a customer last Wednesday that had been tethering his
laptop at work for because his company has a proxy server that restricts
his outside internet access since last fall. He was billed for a $731
data connect charge in one month. He called Cingular and they asked if
he was connecting his phone to his laptop, he said he was and they said
it was prohibited.

He had the presence of mind to ask what if he had said he wasn't using
his phone tethered to his laptop. The CS rep told him they have new
processes in place and are encouraging users to go with a data plan or
connection card.


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Hmmm...
I got past my final problem by taking my laptop and V551 to my local
Cingular store where they know me well (a company store, not an agent). One
of the employees helped me, with the knowledge and approval of his manager.
They have helped others do it.
I've been using the service occasionally for a few months, only when on the
road, in Dallas, Las Vegas, or in a local coffee shop or friend's home,
sometimes an hour or more on-line. Never for hours at a single session. My
only new issue is bluetooth, not my data cable.
"Status" says 230K when using the cable, 115K when using bluetooth.
Browsing seems to be the same speed when using either. Slow but not
unusable.

"DecaturTxCowboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>P Hoberg wrote:
>> for $19.95 per month for unlimited access, not using my minutes.
>
> I'm getting real leary of people using the MediaNet tethered to their
> phone.
>
> Got a call from a customer last Wednesday that had been tethering his
> laptop at work for because his company has a proxy server that restricts
> his outside internet access since last fall. He was billed for a $731 data
> connect charge in one month. He called Cingular and they asked if he was
> connecting his phone to his laptop, he said he was and they said it was
> prohibited.
>
> He had the presence of mind to ask what if he had said he wasn't using his
> phone tethered to his laptop. The CS rep told him they have new processes
> in place and are encouraging users to go with a data plan or connection
> card.
>
>
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I use "news.west.cox.net" when I'm using my Cox cable modem. It doesn't
work when I'm using MediaNet. Do you have any idea what I could use
successfully to get to this (Motorola) and similar newsgroups with MediaNet?

"DecaturTxCowboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>P Hoberg wrote:
>> for $19.95 per month for unlimited access, not using my minutes.
>
> I'm getting real leary of people using the MediaNet tethered to their
> phone.
>
> Got a call from a customer last Wednesday that had been tethering his
> laptop at work for because his company has a proxy server that restricts
> his outside internet access since last fall. He was billed for a $731 data
> connect charge in one month. He called Cingular and they asked if he was
> connecting his phone to his laptop, he said he was and they said it was
> prohibited.
>
> He had the presence of mind to ask what if he had said he wasn't using his
> phone tethered to his laptop. The CS rep told him they have new processes
> in place and are encouraging users to go with a data plan or connection
> card.
>
>
> The following space is reserved for Navis' "informed" opinions.
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