Just upgraded my wife's cell from a TDMA to a GSM phone (v557).
Question: She receives a text message from an email account. She selects
"Reply", types message and sends. It is not received by original email
account.
Why not?
Is the procedure followed different with GSM cell versus TDMA phones?
That procedure had worked with the TDMA phone.
Also: To send a text message to an email account do you just enter the
email address when creating a message? Or do you need to select New
Email?
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In <ZcOdnUKjuYBst__ZRVn-pA@speakeasy.net> on Wed, 10 May 2006 14:03:29 -0400,
Norm <NOSPAM@yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>Just upgraded my wife's cell from a TDMA to a GSM phone (v557).
>
>Question: She receives a text message from an email account. She selects
>"Reply", types message and sends. It is not received by original email
>account.
>Why not?
Because sending number (effectively the return address) is the email-to-SMS
gateway, not the original email address.
>Is the procedure followed different with GSM cell versus TDMA phones?
>That procedure had worked with the TDMA phone.
The gateway may have been implemented differently.
>Also: To send a text message to an email account do you just enter the
>email address when creating a message? Or do you need to select New
>Email?
A text message (SMS) can be sent to an email address by means of an SMS-to-email gateway. The destination email address is embedded at the
beginning of the message. That can be done automatically or manually,
depending on the phone. Your V557 can do it automatically. This incurs
messaging charges.
If you create a New Email message, that will be sent by the email client in
your V557, which will only work if the email client is configured properly.
This incurs data charges.
See the FAQ below for more information on gateway formats, configuring the
email client in the phone, and the names of Cingular outgoing SMTP servers.
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John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
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John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
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> In <ZcOdnUKjuYBst__ZRVn-pA@speakeasy.net> on Wed, 10 May 2006 14:03:29 -0400,
> Norm <NOSPAM@yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Just upgraded my wife's cell from a TDMA to a GSM phone (v557).
> >
> >Question: She receives a text message from an email account. She selects
> >"Reply", types message and sends. It is not received by original email
> >account.
> >Why not?
>
> Because sending number (effectively the return address) is the email-to-SMS
> gateway, not the original email address.
Got it. No wonder they were never received.
Thanks for that education.
>
> >Is the procedure followed different with GSM cell versus TDMA phones?
> >That procedure had worked with the TDMA phone.
>
> The gateway may have been implemented differently.
With the TDMA cell, it was just hit reply and send. Got spoiled I guess.
And here I thought everything was going to be an improvement with GSM.
>
> >Also: To send a text message to an email account do you just enter the
> >email address when creating a message? Or do you need to select New
> >Email?
>
> A text message (SMS) can be sent to an email address by means of an
> SMS-to-email gateway. The destination email address is embedded at the
> beginning of the message. That can be done automatically or manually,
> depending on the phone. Your V557 can do it automatically. This incurs
> messaging charges.
>
> If you create a New Email message, that will be sent by the email client in
> your V557, which will only work if the email client is configured properly.
> This incurs data charges.
>
> See the FAQ below for more information on gateway formats, configuring the
> email client in the phone, and the names of Cingular outgoing SMTP servers.
Not nearly as easy as it was on our TDMA phone. Consequently and
disappointedly, we probably won't use text messaging from cell to email
addresses.
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In <rcKdnena3aL62__ZRVn-qw@speakeasy.net> on Wed, 10 May 2006 16:00:29 -0400,
Norm <NOSPAM@yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>Not nearly as easy as it was on our TDMA phone. Consequently and
>disappointedly, we probably won't use text messaging from cell to email
>addresses.
I think it depends on the phone -- I seem to recall that my old Sony Ericsson GSM phones were smart enough to address GSM-standard SMS-email replies
properly, but my Motorola V551 isn't that smart, and I doubt the
near-identical V557 is any smarter. So you might have better luck with (say)
the Sony Ericsson Z520a.
Regardless, I've done some more research, and now have a solution to your
problem! In the FAQ below, see:
* What are messages from 36245?
* What are messages from numbers like 1010100004?
The latter is what you need.
--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
In article <Ors8g.46553$Fs1.23570@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
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> In <rcKdnena3aL62__ZRVn-qw@speakeasy.net> on Wed, 10 May 2006 16:00:29 -0400,
> Norm <NOSPAM@yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Not nearly as easy as it was on our TDMA phone. Consequently and
> >disappointedly, we probably won't use text messaging from cell to email
> >addresses.
>
> I think it depends on the phone -- I seem to recall that my old Sony Ericsson
> GSM phones were smart enough to address GSM-standard SMS-email replies
> properly, but my Motorola V551 isn't that smart, and I doubt the
> near-identical V557 is any smarter. So you might have better luck with (say)
> the Sony Ericsson Z520a.
>
Got it. Thanks.
Seems like a step back from our TDMA network/phones but maybe it has
more to do with ATT TDMA network vs Cingular GSM. But such a guess on my
part is far past my understanding of cell networks.
> Regardless, I've done some more research, and now have a solution to your
> problem! In the FAQ below, see:
> * What are messages from 36245?
> * What are messages from numbers like 1010100004?
> The latter is what you need.
I'll go on a search. Thanks for the lead.
If it isn't easy, I know at least one person in the family who won't be
txt messaging from cell to email.
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In <Q9SdnSPUJvpyyP_ZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> on Wed, 10 May 2006
17:06:55 -0400, Norm <NOSPAM@yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>In article <Ors8g.46553$Fs1.23570@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> I think it depends on the phone -- I seem to recall that my old Sony Ericsson
>> GSM phones were smart enough to address GSM-standard SMS-email replies
>> properly, but my Motorola V551 isn't that smart, and I doubt the
>> near-identical V557 is any smarter. So you might have better luck with (say)
>> the Sony Ericsson Z520a.
>
>Got it. Thanks.
>Seems like a step back from our TDMA network/phones but maybe it has
>more to do with ATT TDMA network vs Cingular GSM. But such a guess on my
>part is far past my understanding of cell networks.
Sony Ericsson phones I mentioned are GSM, not TDMA.
>> Regardless, I've done some more research, and now have a solution to your
>> problem! In the FAQ below, see:
>> * What are messages from 36245?
>> * What are messages from numbers like 1010100004?
>> The latter is what you need.
>
>I'll go on a search. Thanks for the lead.
>If it isn't easy, I know at least one person in the family who won't be
>txt messaging from cell to email.
It is very easy. The key is addressing messages to the MEdia email-to-SMS
gateway (NUMBER@CingularME.com), not the GSM-standard email-to-SMS gateway
(NUMBER@Mobile.MyCingular.com).
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John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
In article <Ors8g.46553$Fs1.23570@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, spamfilter0@navasgroup.com says...
>
> Regardless, I've done some more research, and now have a solution to your
> problem! In the FAQ below, see:
> * What are messages from 36245?
> * What are messages from numbers like 1010100004?
> The latter is what you need.
By the way I've NEVER had a phone, TDMA or GSM, that was smart enough to
handle the 36245 addressing thing--I've always had to massage the return
address. The cingularme method is NICE--oh I said that.
--
Jud
Dallas TX USA
In article <XKs8g.46602$Fs1.42717@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >I'll go on a search. Thanks for the lead.
> >If it isn't easy, I know at least one person in the family who won't be
> >txt messaging from cell to email.
>
> It is very easy. The key is addressing messages to the MEdia email-to-SMS
> gateway (NUMBER@CingularME.com), not the GSM-standard email-to-SMS gateway
> (NUMBER@Mobile.MyCingular.com).
Well I tried the FAQ method and no luck.
I've sent 2 emails to our v557 and one to our v551 and then replied.
By that link, if one receives a text message from "1010100004" or the
like you can reply and the reply will be sent to the email address of
the original sender. At least that is how I read it. But it didn't work.
O for 3 here.
And O for 1 on just sending of text message from the cell to an email
address using the method described in one of the adjacent sections of
the FAQ.
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In <_ZydnW_JxsLZDf_ZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> on Wed, 10 May 2006
21:15:47 -0400, Norm <NOSPAM@yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>In article <XKs8g.46602$Fs1.42717@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >I'll go on a search. Thanks for the lead.
>> >If it isn't easy, I know at least one person in the family who won't be
>> >txt messaging from cell to email.
>>
>> It is very easy. The key is addressing messages to the MEdia email-to-SMS
>> gateway (NUMBER@CingularME.com), not the GSM-standard email-to-SMS gateway
>> (NUMBER@Mobile.MyCingular.com).
>
>Well I tried the FAQ method and no luck.
Which FAQ method?
>I've sent 2 emails to our v557 and one to our v551 and then replied.
Addressed how?
>By that link, if one receives a text message from "1010100004" or the
>like you can reply and the reply will be sent to the email address of
>the original sender. At least that is how I read it. But it didn't work.
>O for 3 here.
Did they come in with that kind of sending address?
>And O for 1 on just sending of text message from the cell to an email
>address using the method described in one of the adjacent sections of
>the FAQ.
Which method?
In the future, please be more specific. It's hard to help you when you are
vague.
First try sending SMS to email from the V551: Menu -> Messages -> Create
Message -> New Text Message -> [enter body text] -> OK -> [One Time Entry] ->
[enter email address] -> OK -> SEND.
If that doesn't come through, then there may be something wrong with your
account or with your phones.
1. Call Customer Care:
(a) Ask to have Messaging disabled and then enabled on your account.
(b) Ask to have "settings pushed to your phone". (Your gateway address might
be wrong.)
2. If you haven't already, set up a MEdia Net account.
Then try again. After you get basic SMS-to-email working, then move on to
replies.
--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
In article <ykx8g.78477$eR6.16440@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
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>
> In <_ZydnW_JxsLZDf_ZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> on Wed, 10 May 2006
> 21:15:47 -0400, Norm <NOSPAM@yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>
> >In article <XKs8g.46602$Fs1.42717@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> > John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >I'll go on a search. Thanks for the lead.
> >> >If it isn't easy, I know at least one person in the family who won't be
> >> >txt messaging from cell to email.
> >>
> >> It is very easy. The key is addressing messages to the MEdia email-to-SMS
> >> gateway (NUMBER@CingularME.com), not the GSM-standard email-to-SMS gateway
> >> (NUMBER@Mobile.MyCingular.com).
> >
> >Well I tried the FAQ method and no luck.
>
> Which FAQ method?
The one under "1010100004"
>
> >I've sent 2 emails to our v557 and one to our v551 and then replied.
>
> Addressed how?
alias@cingularme.com (not sure "alias" is correct term. it is name I
selected on the cingular site)
>
> >By that link, if one receives a text message from "1010100004" or the
> >like you can reply and the reply will be sent to the email address of
> >the original sender. At least that is how I read it. But it didn't work.
> >O for 3 here.
>
> Did they come in with that kind of sending address?
Yes 1010100040 is the from.
>
> >And O for 1 on just sending of text message from the cell to an email
> >address using the method described in one of the adjacent sections of
> >the FAQ.
>
> Which method?
Creating a txt message, starting message with email address and then a
space then text and then sending to 121
>
> In the future, please be more specific. It's hard to help you when you are
> vague.
>
> First try sending SMS to email from the V551: Menu -> Messages -> Create
> Message -> New Text Message -> [enter body text] -> OK -> [One Time Entry] ->
> [enter email address] -> OK -> SEND.
It comes back with "Invalid Address"
Other phone not available right now, I'll try with it later.
>
> If that doesn't come through, then there may be something wrong with your
> account or with your phones.
> 1. Call Customer Care:
> (a) Ask to have Messaging disabled and then enabled on your account.
> (b) Ask to have "settings pushed to your phone". (Your gateway address might
> be wrong.)
> 2. If you haven't already, set up a MEdia Net account.
>
> Then try again. After you get basic SMS-to-email working, then move on to
> replies.
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In <f5ydnXD6xtXCMf_ZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@speakeasy.net> on Wed, 10 May 2006
23:15:41 -0400, Norm <NOSPAM@yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>In article <ykx8g.78477$eR6.16440@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> In <_ZydnW_JxsLZDf_ZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> on Wed, 10 May 2006
>> 21:15:47 -0400, Norm <NOSPAM@yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>> >And O for 1 on just sending of text message from the cell to an email
>> >address using the method described in one of the adjacent sections of
>> >the FAQ.
>>
>> Which method?
>
>Creating a txt message, starting message with email address and then a
>space then text and then sending to 121
That's *not* how you should be doing it. See the instructions below.
>> First try sending SMS to email from the V551: Menu -> Messages -> Create
>> Message -> New Text Message -> [enter body text] -> OK -> [One Time Entry] ->
>> [enter email address] -> OK -> SEND.
>
>It comes back with "Invalid Address"
That's probably an invalid email address. Enter and check the address more
carefully.
You need to get this working before trying anything else.
Also check the messaging config at: Menu -> Messages -> Menu -> Inbox Setup.
Here's what I have:
MMS Message Setup
Inbox View: Sender
Srvce Center No: +13123149810
Auto Cleanup: 5 days
Email Gateway: 121 SMS Alert: On
Use GPRS: No
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In article <_ZydnW_JxsLZDf_ZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>, NOSPAM@yahoo.invalid says...
>
> By that link, if one receives a text message from "1010100004" or the
> like you can reply and the reply will be sent to the email address of
> the original sender. At least that is how I read it. But it didn't work.
> O for 3 here.
>
FYI, the cingularme method works for me in Dallas. I just replied to the
101010 msg (1010100087 in my case) without touching the TO addr and got
the email back at the pc correctly with the nnn@cingularme adr in the
FROM. BUT I don't understand HOW this is working since the msg from
1010100087 doesn't have the orig email addr in the body like the 36245
ones do so it doesn't appear to just be grabbing that. There is a FRM
field but it only has the short info (senders name) not the full
address. I suppose the server COULD be saving a list of recent email
headers so it could match up the returning cell number plus FRM name to
the orig addr but I find that hard to believe. Is there support in SMS
for hidden fields?
> And O for 1 on just sending of text message from the cell to an email
> address using the method described in one of the adjacent sections of
> the FAQ.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
I hadn't used that method in a awhile so I just tried it. 121 did NOT
work but my notes said 111 was used in some areas and THAT worked. Try
it again sending to 111 instead of 121 with the email addr at the
beginning of the body followed by a space.
--
Jud
Dallas TX USA
In article <bPz8g.79145$eR6.2037@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >Creating a txt message, starting message with email address and then a
> >space then text and then sending to 121
>
> That's *not* how you should be doing it. See the instructions below.
This is what it says:
*************** SMS Text Messaging
Cingular operates an E-Mail to SMS Gateway that forwards SMS text
messages to Internet e-mail. Message charges apply.
Automatically
Your cell phone may be smart enough to use the Gateway automatically
when you send SMS text messages to an e-mail address rather than a
numeric phone number, OR
Manually
Put the email address at the start of your message, separated by a space
from the message, and send to the phone number 121.
*****************
What part didn't I follow?
Scratch that. No need to answer!
I just tried again to send a txt message from the v551 using a different
email address and it works the Automatically way. Strange. The other
address is perfectly valid.
>
> >> First try sending SMS to email from the V551: Menu -> Messages -> Create
> >> Message -> New Text Message -> [enter body text] -> OK -> [One Time Entry]
> >> ->
> >> [enter email address] -> OK -> SEND.
> >
> >It comes back with "Invalid Address"
>
> That's probably an invalid email address. Enter and check the address more
> carefully.
It doesn't like that address for some reason and it was the address I
used when sending and then trying unsuccessfully to reply.
I'll try sending to the v557 and v551 from a different address to see if
replying will then work.
In article <ZcOdnUKjuYBst__ZRVn-pA@speakeasy.net>,
Norm <NOSPAM@yahoo.invalid> wrote:
> Just upgraded my wife's cell from a TDMA to a GSM phone (v557).
>
> Question: She receives a text message from an email account. She selects
> "Reply", types message and sends. It is not received by original email
> account.
> Why not?
> Is the procedure followed different with GSM cell versus TDMA phones?
> That procedure had worked with the TDMA phone.
>
> Also: To send a text message to an email account do you just enter the
> email address when creating a message? Or do you need to select New
> Email?
>
> Thanks for help with these beginner questions.
OP Back.
With additional attempts and help from this group, I think I've found
the problem on both problems (replying to a text message didn't work and
sending a text message to an email account wouldn't work).
Apparently it is a Cingular/ISP compatibility issue of some type.
If I send emails to the cell phones and then reply or if I send an email
created on the cell phones to our ISP it will not work. But if I use an
email address with a different ISP, it will work. I'll call one or both
companies when time permits.
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In <sdudnd05yaUPzP7Z4p2dnA@speakeasy.net> on Thu, 11 May 2006 11:00:34 -0400,
Norm <NOSPAM@yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>In article <bPz8g.79145$eR6.2037@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >Creating a txt message, starting message with email address and then a
>> >space then text and then sending to 121
>>
>> That's *not* how you should be doing it. See the instructions below.
>
>This is what it says:
>
>***************
>SMS Text Messaging
>Cingular operates an E-Mail to SMS Gateway that forwards SMS text
>messages to Internet e-mail. Message charges apply.
>Automatically
>Your cell phone may be smart enough to use the Gateway automatically
>when you send SMS text messages to an e-mail address rather than a
>numeric phone number, OR
>Manually
>Put the email address at the start of your message, separated by a space
>from the message, and send to the phone number 121.
>*****************
>
>What part didn't I follow?
That is generic advice. The Motorola V551 (and I suspect other Motorola
phones as well) is "smart" and won't let you do the second method -- you need
to use first method; i.e., the automatic procedure I outlined previously.
>Scratch that. No need to answer!
>
>I just tried again to send a txt message from the v551 using a different
>email address and it works the Automatically way.
You should be able to simply reply to that message successfully *if* you don't
futz with it -- just enter the message body text, enter a Subject if you wish,
and Send.
>Strange. The other
>address is perfectly valid.
Possibly, but probably not. The parser in the phone is strict. You need to
have only a valid email address, no name, no punctuation (only valid symbols
like "_" and "@" and "."), no embedded spaces, etc. What is the address?
(You can protect privacy by changing letters in the address portion before the
"@", but leave everything else exactly the same.)
>> >> First try sending SMS to email from the V551: Menu -> Messages -> Create
>> >> Message -> New Text Message -> [enter body text] -> OK -> [One Time Entry]
>> >> ->
>> >> [enter email address] -> OK -> SEND.
>> >
>> >It comes back with "Invalid Address"
>>
>> That's probably an invalid email address. Enter and check the address more
>> carefully.
>
>It doesn't like that address for some reason and it was the address I
>used when sending and then trying unsuccessfully to reply.
Ah ha! If you send an email-to-SMS message to the phone from that email
address using the form NUMBER@mobile.MyCingular.com, you'll see the correct
address at the start of the message body. Use that exact form.
>I'll try sending to the v557 and v551 from a different address to see if
>replying will then work.
Reply should work to the problematic email address *if* you use automatic
Reply to a message sent to NUMBER@CingularME.com.
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Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
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