Pls Confirm: VZW does not allow DUN using minutes?

Hello.

I am eligible for NE2. I am having a hard time deciding whether to continue
with Verizon or go somewhere. It is very important to me to occasionally
tether my PDA or my Laptop to my phone to connect to my LAN at work (I use
VPN to my gateway at work once connected to the Internet on VZW's 1xrtt
network). If I sign up for another 2 years, I have to drop my old plan of
400 any time with National Access and Mobile Web, and sign up to a new plan.
I went to a VZW store yesterday and was told by the sales rep that new
plans/contracts now do not allow tethering (or using the phone as a modem to
your ISP) without a data plan. He further says, if your phone is capable of
DUN but you don't have a data plan, and you use the phone as a modem to your
ISP, you can be cut off by VZW it you are caught doing it. IS THIS TRUE???
Those of you who signed up for a new contract/plan and use your phone as a
modem, did you receive a reprimand letter from VZW? I don't care for their
broadband data. I have a 2.5gbps DSL at home.

Does Sprint or Cingular still allow minutes of use for using the phone as a
modem?

And one more thing, VZW cripples the functionality of Bluetooth!

Thanks in advance.

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"C C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello.
>
> Does Sprint or Cingular still allow minutes of use for using the phone as
a
> modem?
>
>


Cingular no longer offers CSD in just about all areas. Who would want to
anyway? It's 9600 baud. It would only cause aggravation and frustration.

I've never had a problem with using my minutes for data with VZW, but then
again such usage is extremely incidental for me.

Then again, I have NSR 150 (I don't use the phone that much, and I hate
roaming charges), so it isn't as if VZW could claim that I'm underpaying
them.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

Bluetooth has been crippled from day one.

Looks like your mind is made up.

"C C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello.
>
> I am eligible for NE2. I am having a hard time deciding whether to
> continue with Verizon or go somewhere. It is very important to me to
> occasionally tether my PDA or my Laptop to my phone to connect to my LAN
> at work (I use VPN to my gateway at work once connected to the Internet on
> VZW's 1xrtt network). If I sign up for another 2 years, I have to drop my
> old plan of 400 any time with National Access and Mobile Web, and sign up
> to a new plan. I went to a VZW store yesterday and was told by the sales
> rep that new plans/contracts now do not allow tethering (or using the
> phone as a modem to your ISP) without a data plan. He further says, if
> your phone is capable of DUN but you don't have a data plan, and you use
> the phone as a modem to your ISP, you can be cut off by VZW it you are
> caught doing it. IS THIS TRUE??? Those of you who signed up for a new
> contract/plan and use your phone as a modem, did you receive a reprimand
> letter from VZW? I don't care for their broadband data. I have a 2.5gbps
> DSL at home.
>
> Does Sprint or Cingular still allow minutes of use for using the phone as
> a modem?
>
> And one more thing, VZW cripples the functionality of Bluetooth!
>
> Thanks in advance.
>

"C C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> Does Sprint or Cingular still allow minutes of use for using the phone as
> a modem?
>

Sprint supports tethering via the "Power Vision Attachable" plan. Without
this plan, you could possibly be charged per kb of data.

Todd W.

"jay" <[email protected]> writes:

>Cingular no longer offers CSD in just about all areas. Who would want to
>anyway?

I would. I'm bummed that I can't anymore.

> It's 9600 baud. It would only cause aggravation and frustration.

Or it could provide VoIP without breaking ToS agreements, etc.

--kyler

Well, what no one said is that it will work.

I tether my LG vx8000 and get EVDO speed connects and do not have a data
plan and do not even get charged munites of use!

I have the $5/mo mobile web add-on is all. Them's the facts.

All you have to do is make a dial up connecion on your PC using the right
userID/password:

<10digitCellNumber>@vzw3g.com / vzw

dial #777 and set the modem init string to:

AT$QCMDR=3

-Frank

"C C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello.
>
> I am eligible for NE2. I am having a hard time deciding whether to
> continue with Verizon or go somewhere. It is very important to me to
> occasionally tether my PDA or my Laptop to my phone to connect to my LAN
> at work (I use VPN to my gateway at work once connected to the Internet on
> VZW's 1xrtt network). If I sign up for another 2 years, I have to drop my
> old plan of 400 any time with National Access and Mobile Web, and sign up
> to a new plan. I went to a VZW store yesterday and was told by the sales
> rep that new plans/contracts now do not allow tethering (or using the
> phone as a modem to your ISP) without a data plan. He further says, if
> your phone is capable of DUN but you don't have a data plan, and you use
> the phone as a modem to your ISP, you can be cut off by VZW it you are
> caught doing it. IS THIS TRUE??? Those of you who signed up for a new
> contract/plan and use your phone as a modem, did you receive a reprimand
> letter from VZW? I don't care for their broadband data. I have a 2.5gbps
> DSL at home.
>
> Does Sprint or Cingular still allow minutes of use for using the phone as
> a modem?
>
> And one more thing, VZW cripples the functionality of Bluetooth!
>
> Thanks in advance.
>

"Todd W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "C C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> Does Sprint or Cingular still allow minutes of use for using the phone as
>> a modem?
>>
>
> Sprint supports tethering via the "Power Vision Attachable" plan. Without
> this plan, you could possibly be charged per kb of data.
>
> Todd W.
>
>
That's right. I just talked to Sprint Telesales and with the additional
$15.00, I can tether my PDA or Laptop to a Vision capable phone unlimited.
I think I will go with Sprint. I tried to do it online but I can port my
number online. Only with telesales or to the store. I will port my number
to Sprint at the end of my billing cycle with $$$Verizon$$$.

Thank you all for your input.

If it is true that you are doing it, you may be caught someday. The VZW rep
at the store said that the mobile web is only for use with the phone's
browser. The tethering of the laptop using #777 and the modem init is only
allowed with older plans, like what I currently have. It may still work
with your phone, but for newer phones, I suspect that part of the
programming process of the phone (*228) is block the phone's modem
capability if you don't have the data plan, which is $59.99/month.

When did you sign up with your contract? What kind of plan do you have? LG
8000 was out when there was still "National Access MOU".

If I sign up to a new plan and get a new phone, the rep says, if I don't add
the data plan, the phone, even though it is capable of DUN, will not have
the VZW feature of being used as a modem.

Just hope that you won't get caught by Verizon.

"Frankster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well, what no one said is that it will work.
>
> I tether my LG vx8000 and get EVDO speed connects and do not have a data
> plan and do not even get charged munites of use!
>
> I have the $5/mo mobile web add-on is all. Them's the facts.
>
> All you have to do is make a dial up connecion on your PC using the right
> userID/password:
>
> <10digitCellNumber>@vzw3g.com / vzw
>
> dial #777 and set the modem init string to:
>
> AT$QCMDR=3
>
> -Frank
>
> "C C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hello.
>>
>> I am eligible for NE2. I am having a hard time deciding whether to
>> continue with Verizon or go somewhere. It is very important to me to
>> occasionally tether my PDA or my Laptop to my phone to connect to my LAN
>> at work (I use VPN to my gateway at work once connected to the Internet
>> on VZW's 1xrtt network). If I sign up for another 2 years, I have to
>> drop my old plan of 400 any time with National Access and Mobile Web, and
>> sign up to a new plan. I went to a VZW store yesterday and was told by
>> the sales rep that new plans/contracts now do not allow tethering (or
>> using the phone as a modem to your ISP) without a data plan. He further
>> says, if your phone is capable of DUN but you don't have a data plan, and
>> you use the phone as a modem to your ISP, you can be cut off by VZW it
>> you are caught doing it. IS THIS TRUE??? Those of you who signed up for
>> a new contract/plan and use your phone as a modem, did you receive a
>> reprimand letter from VZW? I don't care for their broadband data. I
>> have a 2.5gbps DSL at home.
>>
>> Does Sprint or Cingular still allow minutes of use for using the phone as
>> a modem?
>>
>> And one more thing, VZW cripples the functionality of Bluetooth!
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>
>

Paul Miner wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:47:18 -0400, Kyler Laird
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"jay" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>
>>>Cingular no longer offers CSD in just about all areas. Who would want to
>>>anyway?
>>
>>I would. I'm bummed that I can't anymore.
>>
>>
>>>It's 9600 baud. It would only cause aggravation and frustration.
>>
>>Or it could provide VoIP without breaking ToS agreements, etc.
>>
>>--kyler
>
>
> Does VoIP even work at all over 9600 bps?
>

The slowest speed that will work with poor sounding results is ~50kbps.
The current popular codec that is used for VoIP requires a minimum of
90kbps.

> Just hope that you won't get caught by Verizon.

Yeah, I'm pretty scared alright.

-Frank

Paul Miner <[email protected]> writes:

>>> It's 9600 baud. It would only cause aggravation and frustration.
>>
>>Or it could provide VoIP without breaking ToS agreements, etc.

>Does VoIP even work at all over 9600 bps?

You're asking if I was just making up crap? Thanks a lot.

There are multiple codecs for sub-9600 bps use. Among them are
G.723.1a, G.729a, and G.722.2.

Also note that using CSD does not require IP. I'd likely do the IP
encapsulation on the other side of the modem.

--kyler

Kyler Laird wrote:
> "jay" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Cingular no longer offers CSD in just about all areas. Who would
>> want to anyway?
>
> I would. I'm bummed that I can't anymore.
>
>> It's 9600 baud. It would only cause aggravation and frustration.
>
> Or it could provide VoIP without breaking ToS agreements, etc.
>
> --kyler

You better check again.. VOIP usually won't work over` the slow
connections...

"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The slowest speed that will work with poor sounding results is ~50kbps.

You realize that the full-rate GSM codec is 13kbps, right? And many cell
phone CoDecs are roughly half that? Seems that whoever's CoDecs you're
looking at is seriously inferior to some of the stock CoDecs the cell phone
companies use.

> The current popular codec that is used for VoIP requires a minimum of
> 90kbps.

Wow, an order of magnitude decrease in efficiency due to inferior coding...
that's sad.

In alt.cellular.verizon C C <[email protected]> wrote:
> modem, did you receive a reprimand letter from VZW? I don't care for their
> broadband data. I have a 2.5gbps DSL at home.
>

2.5Gbps DSL in the USA? I don't think that has been deployed anywhere ...
including the VDSL deployments in Phoenix.

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