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  1. #16
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    In alt.cellular.cingular John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > If coverage in the boonies is really important, then I think you need
    > either a satellite phone or a PLB -- AMPS isn't really enough, since
    > there are lots of places with no AMPS service.
    >


    For emergency service it is a far better safety net than any digital service
    available [via cellular/PCS]. There is no such thing as a free 911 call on a
    satellite phone if I am not mistaken. I have been to only one place in more
    than 10 years where I had no coverage what-so-ever ... and that was two weeks
    ago up in the Gunflint Trail in the boundry waters of the Minnesota Arrowhead
    region. I am in locations that have no digital coverage several times per
    year.

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  2. #17
    SMS
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    Quick wrote:
    > I think everyone agrees that no carrier has coverage
    > everywhere and that all carrier's coverage does not
    > coincide. So one should first decide what your priorities
    > are, who offers it, and if more than one carrier then
    > consider price and plans.


    As long as you don't fall for the illogic that since no carrier has 100%
    coverage, that all carriers are equal. It's not binary, as some shills
    would like people to think.



  3. #18
    John Navas
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:25:50 -0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >In alt.cellular.cingular John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> If coverage in the boonies is really important, then I think you need
    >> either a satellite phone or a PLB -- AMPS isn't really enough, since
    >> there are lots of places with no AMPS service.

    >
    >For emergency service it is a far better safety net than any digital service
    >available [via cellular/PCS].


    But still not complete enough to be any sort of real safety net.

    >There is no such thing as a free 911 call on a
    >satellite phone if I am not mistaken.


    The FCC mandated 911 calls on satellite phones starting in February 2005
    (as you would undoubtedly have learned with a tiny bit of checking.

    >I have been to only one place in more
    >than 10 years where I had no coverage what-so-ever ... and that was two weeks
    >ago up in the Gunflint Trail in the boundry waters of the Minnesota Arrowhead
    >region. I am in locations that have no digital coverage several times per
    >year.


    I'm often in places with no cellular coverage whatsoever. All it takes
    is a drive in the mountains.

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  4. #19
    Jeffrey Kaplan
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    It is alleged that Quick claimed:

    > My 7135 switches to analog quite well. 2 or 3 golf courses
    > a bit out in the boonies are analog only coverage. Works
    > great. Downside is that it only works for about 6 hours...
    > but that's a different issue.


    That is and always was the biggest advantage of digital over AMPS - the
    power consumption.

    > I'm still in denial and refuse to start planning for my inevitable
    > migration (probably to a Treo).


    Upgrading from a 7135 to a PalmOS Treo is relatively painless, no worse
    than upgrading between any other Palm pair made by different companies.
    I do miss the flip bit, though. Even with the so-called "Keyguard"
    active, unless I keep it in a holster or a full case, it WILL turn on
    in my pocket.

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  5. #20
    Mij Adyaw
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    What Dick said is true. It depends upon the areas where you live, work, and
    travel. No one service is best. It might be Cingular for you, Verizon for
    Joe Schmuck, and Sprint for me. You need to test the phone in the areas
    where you live, work, and travel.


    "Dick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:48:13 -0400, "Nick Danger"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>I fear I might start a flame war with this ... well, actually I don't fear
    >>it; it might even be entertaining.

    >
    >>
    >>Based on what I've seen (and heard) so far, I honestly have to say that
    >>Cingular is winning. Could it be that Verizon's better coverage is all a
    >>myth, perpetuated by a well-orchestrated advertising campaign? I won't
    >>have
    >>time to travel around extensively to test the two thoroughly before one
    >>set
    >>of phones has to go back.
    >>

    >
    > It all depends upon where you live and travel. It's impossilbe to
    > make a generalization about the two services. Sometimes one is
    > better. Sometimes the other.
    >
    > Dick






  6. #21
    Scott
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular


    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:27:55 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    > wrote in <[email protected]>:
    >
    >>Nick Danger wrote:
    >>
    >>> Based on what I've seen (and heard) so far, I honestly have to say that
    >>> Cingular is winning. Could it be that Verizon's better coverage is all a
    >>> myth, perpetuated by a well-orchestrated advertising campaign?

    >>
    >>In suburban and urban areas the coverage should be about the same. Even
    >>though you need more GSM towers than CDMA towers to cover a given area,
    >>in suburban and urban areas there will be more than the minimum in order
    >>to have sufficient capacity.

    >
    > GSM and CDMA actually have comparable coverage areas.


    Patently false and you can't prove otherwise. Why do you continue to lie?

    >
    >>I have both Cingular GSM (on an MVNO) and Verizon, in the San Francisco
    >>Bay Area. If I'm in a major city in the area, the Cingular coverage is
    >>just fine. However when I get out into some of the suburbs to visit
    >>friends and relatives, it's often the case that Cingular's coverage is
    >>aporadic. I always find it amusing, that about 2 km from Cingular's
    >>western regional HQ in Pleasanton, at my nephew's house, there is no
    >>Cingular coverage, and it's not a condo, and not up in the hills.

    >
    > Cingular coverage is actually better than any other carrier in that
    > general area.


    Based on what? THis would appear to be another lie, based on your inability
    to back these types of claims in the past.






  7. #22
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:25:50 -0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
    > <[email protected]> wrote in
    > <[email protected]>:
    >
    >>In alt.cellular.cingular John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> If coverage in the boonies is really important, then I think you need
    >>> either a satellite phone or a PLB -- AMPS isn't really enough, since
    >>> there are lots of places with no AMPS service.

    >>
    >>For emergency service it is a far better safety net than any digital service
    >>available [via cellular/PCS].

    >
    > But still not complete enough to be any sort of real safety net.
    >


    Says who? I just indicated that I have not noticed at any time in the last 10
    years where I have been in an area where I could not get an AMPS signal ...
    with the exception of the Gunflint trail in the boundry waters [most modern
    appliances are not allowed including motors on boats].

    >>There is no such thing as a free 911 call on a
    >>satellite phone if I am not mistaken.

    >
    > The FCC mandated 911 calls on satellite phones starting in February 2005
    > (as you would undoubtedly have learned with a tiny bit of checking.
    >


    Well, that is why I was bright enough to indicate [if I am not mistaken]. I
    don't enjoy spending my time googling up counter arguments as much as you do.

    >>I have been to only one place in more
    >>than 10 years where I had no coverage what-so-ever ... and that was two weeks
    >>ago up in the Gunflint Trail in the boundry waters of the Minnesota Arrowhead
    >>region. I am in locations that have no digital coverage several times per
    >>year.

    >
    > I'm often in places with no cellular coverage whatsoever. All it takes
    > is a drive in the mountains.
    >


    Indeed .. and if there are other people like you that spend any time there,
    then I agree, an AMPS phone is probably inadequate for the glove box. For the
    rest of us, AMPS is a far better safety net than ANY digital cellular/PCS
    digital phone can offer.

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  8. #23
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:44:05 -0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:


    >>>I have been to only one place in more
    >>>than 10 years where I had no coverage what-so-ever ... and that was two weeks
    >>>ago up in the Gunflint Trail in the boundry waters of the Minnesota Arrowhead
    >>>region. I am in locations that have no digital coverage several times per
    >>>year.

    >>
    >> I'm often in places with no cellular coverage whatsoever. All it takes
    >> is a drive in the mountains.

    >
    >Indeed .. and if there are other people like you that spend any time there,
    >then I agree, an AMPS phone is probably inadequate for the glove box. For the
    >rest of us, AMPS is a far better safety net than ANY digital cellular/PCS
    >digital phone can offer.


    Not just in the mountains -- there are lots of other places with no AMPS
    coverage -- it's just not possible to make a valid generalization.

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    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  9. #24
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    Scott wrote:

    > Based on what? THis would appear to be another lie, based on your inability
    > to back these types of claims in the past.


    Cingular is weak out in the tri-valley area on the eastern bay area, in
    the "new suburbs." I.e., the area of western Pleasanton I an referring
    to is all new development, built in the last eight years or so, and used
    to be farmland or ranch land. You'd have thought that the developers
    would have planned for cell phone towers in advance, to avoid the NIMBY
    problem of adding towers after the homes were in place, but apparently not.



  10. #25
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > Not just in the mountains -- there are lots of other places with no AMPS
    > coverage -- it's just not possible to make a valid generalization.
    >


    So you do not agree that an AMPS phone is a better safety net than a digital
    phone for most people?

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  11. #26
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    In alt.cellular.verizon SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > Cingular is weak out in the tri-valley area on the eastern bay area, in
    > the "new suburbs." I.e., the area of western Pleasanton I an referring
    > to is all new development, built in the last eight years or so, and used
    > to be farmland or ranch land. You'd have thought that the developers
    > would have planned for cell phone towers in advance, to avoid the NIMBY
    > problem of adding towers after the homes were in place, but apparently not.


    Developers would care less. That sort of planning is done at the local,
    regional or state level and if they were worth a grain of salt and not corrupt
    or lazy like most modern politicians, then they would have an effective
    planning commision to avoid problems like this. Such commisions have existed
    for decades; arising from the need to combat urban sprawl ... of which
    California is famous.

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  12. #27
    John Navas
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:37:47 -0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> Not just in the mountains -- there are lots of other places with no AMPS
    >> coverage -- it's just not possible to make a valid generalization.

    >
    >So you do not agree that an AMPS phone is a better safety net than a digital
    >phone for most people?


    As I'm sure you know, I do not agree that an AMPS phone is a real
    "safety net" for many people, particularly since real "safety nets" are
    reasonably available (e.g., satellite phone, PLB).

    Since this is just going round and round, I'm now done, and you can
    again have the last word.

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    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  13. #28
    John Navas
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:36:54 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >Scott wrote:
    >
    >> Based on what? THis would appear to be another lie, based on your inability
    >> to back these types of claims in the past.

    >
    >Cingular is weak out in the tri-valley area on the eastern bay area, in
    >the "new suburbs." I.e., the area of western Pleasanton I an referring
    >to is all new development, built in the last eight years or so, and used
    >to be farmland or ranch land. You'd have thought that the developers
    >would have planned for cell phone towers in advance, to avoid the NIMBY
    >problem of adding towers after the homes were in place, but apparently not.


    In fact Cingular has the best coverage in that area of any carrier.

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    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  14. #29
    John Navas
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:40:05 -0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >In alt.cellular.verizon SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> Cingular is weak out in the tri-valley area on the eastern bay area, in
    >> the "new suburbs." I.e., the area of western Pleasanton I an referring
    >> to is all new development, built in the last eight years or so, and used
    >> to be farmland or ranch land. You'd have thought that the developers
    >> would have planned for cell phone towers in advance, to avoid the NIMBY
    >> problem of adding towers after the homes were in place, but apparently not.

    >
    >Developers would care less. That sort of planning is done at the local,
    >regional or state level and if they were worth a grain of salt and not corrupt
    >or lazy like most modern politicians, then they would have an effective
    >planning commision to avoid problems like this. Such commisions have existed
    >for decades; arising from the need to combat urban sprawl ... of which
    >California is famous.


    In fact developers often do care -- new developments in the Tri-Valley
    part of the SF East Bay have been planned to have very good cellular
    coverage from the get go.

    --
    Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  15. #30
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: Comparing Verizon vs Cingular

    In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    > In fact developers often do care -- new developments in the Tri-Valley
    > part of the SF East Bay have been planned to have very good cellular
    > coverage from the get go.
    >


    Indeed, some do. I wish it were a rule rather than an exception.

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