Filed for divorce with Cingular today

Jack Zwick wrote:
> Will you come back with full details on your Sprint dropped calls, and
> the inability to get a signal indoors?

Rarely had that problem with Sprint, but then...I didn't keep it stuck
up my ass.

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> Interesting- I've always gone with a carrier for coverage and price. Good
> coverage and lousy customer service allows me to make a call. Poor
> coverage and great customer service does not.
>
>

That is a very good point.

No cell phone service is better than another. In many areas Cingular is
better than Sprint and the converse is also true. You should purchase cell
service that functions well where you live, work, play, and travel
regardless of the service provider or technology that they use. It is really
that simple.

"Stu707" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Joe Versaggi <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Jack Zwick wrote:
>>>
>>> Will you come back with full details on your Sprint dropped calls,
>>> and the inability to get a signal indoors?
>>
>> No because neither happens, and I have it on Sprint-only.
>> Do you think I am fool enough not to have sufficiently tested Sprint
>> on both incoming and outgoing calls in severeal locales before I
>> dropped Cingular ? That's one reason I didn't bother with LPN so I can
>> rollback if need be without a hassle. I work in a steel and glass
>> office building and it works fine 40 feet in from a window. The GSM
>> people have to run to a window or outside.
>>
>
> I'm a satisfied Cingular customer of many years. But I have to admit
> that a Sprint subscriber I know is able to make and receive calls in a
> subterranean parking garage where I can not get a signal.

I don't think that Sprint guarantees service "up-there". If you want
coverage "up-there", you will need to switch to Verizon because they have a
stronger network. :-)

"DecaturTxCowboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jack Zwick wrote:
>> Will you come back with full details on your Sprint dropped calls, and
>> the inability to get a signal indoors?
>
> Rarely had that problem with Sprint, but then...I didn't keep it stuck up
> my ass.

On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:33:21 -0700, "Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]>
wrote in <kuUBg.704$0F5.486@fed1read04>:

>No cell phone service is better than another. In many areas Cingular is
>better than Sprint and the converse is also true. You should purchase cell
>service that functions well where you live, work, play, and travel
>regardless of the service provider or technology that they use. It is really
>that simple.

Yep.

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Mij Adyaw wrote:
> No cell phone service is better than another. In many areas Cingular is
> better than Sprint and the converse is also true. You should purchase cell
> service that functions well where you live, work, play, and travel
> regardless of the service provider or technology that they use. It is really
> that simple.

But it usually isn't possible to check coverage everywhere you live,
work, play, or travel, prior to getting locked into a contract.
Fortunately, there are several independent surveys that have published
detailed results of the quality of service for the major carriers,
broken down by location.

The technology DOES make a big difference too. CDMA carriers tend to do
better than GSM carriers in terms of digital coverage (look at how well
Verizon does in all surveys, versus how poorly Cingular does). Part of
the reason is that CDMA's been around longer, and is the leading digital
technology in the U.S., but part of it is also due to technical reasons,
including the longer range of a CDMA cell, the ability of a CDMA cell to
not drop a call when the network is very busy, etc. Without AMPS you
give up a tremendous amount of coverage, that you can't get with any
digital technology. So don't dismiss the technology, as it plays a big
part in how good your coverage is going to be.

On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:38:39 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>The technology DOES make a big difference too. CDMA carriers tend to do
>better than GSM carriers in terms of digital coverage (look at how well
>Verizon does in all surveys, versus how poorly Cingular does). Part of
>the reason is that CDMA's been around longer, and is the leading digital
>technology in the U.S., but part of it is also due to technical reasons,
>including the longer range of a CDMA cell, the ability of a CDMA cell to
>not drop a call when the network is very busy, etc.

TDMA systems like GSM actually predate CDMA and are a more mature
technology. CDMA suffer serious early teething problems.

CDMA2000 (as used by Verizon and Sprint) suffers from cell "breathing"
which can lead to seriously degraded call quality and dropped calls.
CDMA2000 also can have problems with pilot pollution. GSM doesn't.

GSM has range comparable to CDMA2000, and has become the leading
technology in the USA, rapidly gaining share over the past few years.

>Without AMPS you
>give up a tremendous amount of coverage, that you can't get with any
>digital technology. So don't dismiss the technology, as it plays a big
>part in how good your coverage is going to be.

It actually doesn't for most people.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> GSM has range comparable to CDMA2000, and has become the leading
> technology in the USA, rapidly gaining share over the past few years.

You can't be the leading technology with fewer users. GSM has always and
continues to have fewer users in the US than CDMA.

>
>>Without AMPS you
>>give up a tremendous amount of coverage, that you can't get with any
>>digital technology. So don't dismiss the technology, as it plays a big
>>part in how good your coverage is going to be.
>
> It actually doesn't for most people.
>

More of your opinion? You continue to prove how much of a dinosaur you are
with statements like that.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >
> > GSM has range comparable to CDMA2000, and has become the leading
> > technology in the USA, rapidly gaining share over the past few years.
>
> You can't be the leading technology with fewer users. GSM has always and
> continues to have fewer users in the US than CDMA.
>
> >
> >>Without AMPS you
> >>give up a tremendous amount of coverage, that you can't get with any
> >>digital technology. So don't dismiss the technology, as it plays a big
> >>part in how good your coverage is going to be.
> >
> > It actually doesn't for most people.
> >
>
> More of your opinion? You continue to prove how much of a dinosaur you are
> with statements like that.

Do the math, what percentage of folks live in the big cities.

What percentage of people live in the far recahes of a Western National
Park? Some folks are happy to not have cell coverage when they go on
vacation.

Mij Adyaw wrote:
> Zwick used to hangout in alt.cellular.sprintpcs. He has a grudge against
> Sprint because they cancelled him for not paying his bill. Google the
> alt.cellular.sprintpcs newsgroup and read all of his negative posts against
> Sprint if you don't believe me.
>

Which of course has nothing to do with my experience with Sprint.
BTW, do you have any idea how hard it is to follow the thread when you
reply with a top post?


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Scott wrote:
> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> GSM has range comparable to CDMA2000, and has become the leading
>> technology in the USA, rapidly gaining share over the past few years.
>
> You can't be the leading technology with fewer users. GSM has always and
> continues to have fewer users in the US than CDMA.

LOL, I'd love to know by what criteria John thinks GSM is leading. They
have far fewer users in the U.S., and they have been losing market share
to CDMA for a very long time.

"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <VHRBg.695$0F5.313@fed1read04>,
>> "Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Zwick used to hangout in alt.cellular.sprintpcs. He has a grudge
>>> against Sprint because they cancelled him for not paying his bill.
>>> Google the alt.cellular.sprintpcs newsgroup and read all of his
>>> negative posts against
>>> Sprint if you don't believe me.
>>
>> I switched cause I got tired of:
>>
>> Biodegradable phones, and myriad dropped calls and abysmal CSRs.
>>
>> I always paid EVERY bill 3 weeks early, and still do.
>>
>> And as always I know I'm spot on (Sprint is the pits) when people
>> have to resort to fallacious personal attacks.
>>
>> Just read JD Power, Consumer Reports, or Yankee Group surveys for the
>> fact that Sprint for years rates last in Customer Service.
>
> Interesting- I've always gone with a carrier for coverage and price.
> Good coverage and lousy customer service allows me to make a call.
> Poor coverage and great customer service does not.
>
>
>

Ditto. That's always been my MO. I can deal with poor customer service,
but I can't deal with hardware or software that doesn't work Heck, if
the product works, chances are I'll not be using customer service anyway.

You summed it up perfectly.

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:23:16 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>Scott wrote:
>> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> GSM has range comparable to CDMA2000, and has become the leading
>>> technology in the USA, rapidly gaining share over the past few years.
>>
>> You can't be the leading technology with fewer users. GSM has always and
>> continues to have fewer users in the US than CDMA.
>
>LOL, I'd love to know by what criteria John thinks GSM is leading. ...

Asked and answered. Please keep up.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> >
> > "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> In article <VHRBg.695$0F5.313@fed1read04>,
> >> "Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Zwick used to hangout in alt.cellular.sprintpcs. He has a grudge
> >>> against Sprint because they cancelled him for not paying his bill.
> >>> Google the alt.cellular.sprintpcs newsgroup and read all of his
> >>> negative posts against
> >>> Sprint if you don't believe me.
> >>
> >> I switched cause I got tired of:
> >>
> >> Biodegradable phones, and myriad dropped calls and abysmal CSRs.
> >>
> >> I always paid EVERY bill 3 weeks early, and still do.
> >>
> >> And as always I know I'm spot on (Sprint is the pits) when people
> >> have to resort to fallacious personal attacks.
> >>
> >> Just read JD Power, Consumer Reports, or Yankee Group surveys for the
> >> fact that Sprint for years rates last in Customer Service.
> >
> > Interesting- I've always gone with a carrier for coverage and price.
> > Good coverage and lousy customer service allows me to make a call.
> > Poor coverage and great customer service does not.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Ditto. That's always been my MO. I can deal with poor customer service,
> but I can't deal with hardware or software that doesn't work Heck, if
> the product works, chances are I'll not be using customer service anyway.

All too often thats not the case with SprintPCS, hence folks getting
upset at their abysmal Customer Service.

Issues like if you move from one state to another, bugs in the Sprint
billing system will double bill you on sales tax.

Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I don't care what they use in Asia and Europe, or what the communication
>> experts here say, this customer is right and voted his my feet based on
>> his personal experience.
>
> Will you come back with full details on your Sprint dropped calls, and
> the inability to get a signal indoors?

I have very few dropped calls and very little issue with low signal indoors.
In a fringe area that I work, indoors makes a difference and was a reason for
me to change. But most of the time in the past, everywhere I went had indoor
reception just fine, including in the sub-basement of a 50 story sky scraper
downtown Minneapolis (City Center Building).

Having said that ... Sprint PCS customer service pissed me off big ... and for
that, I switched.

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