Blackberry Phones

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:24:40 -0400, SinghaLvr <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:28:39 -0400, John Navas wrote
>(in article <[email protected]>):
>
>>> When you are dealing with data that goes through public internet routers
>>> and
>>> is potentially stored on those hard drives as well (and maintained by
>>> people
>>> outside of your companies security policies) then it's an improvement.
>>
>> How is it an improvement? That still happens right up to the Blackberry
>> end.
>
>Except that the data is encrypted at all points between the blackberry and
>the BES.

That's like locking the door while the windows are wide open.

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SinghaLvr wrote:
> or do you just like to argue?

That is not a question, that's a statement.

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:50:10 -0400, SinghaLvr <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:29:28 -0400, John Navas wrote
>(in article <[email protected]>):

>>> Except that the data is encrypted at all points between the blackberry and
>>> the BES.
>>
>> That's like locking the door while the windows are wide open.
>
>If you can't secure the data behind your firewall then I can't help you.

My actual point is that email isn't secure over the majority of its
journey over the public Internet, which is why it doesn't do all that
much good to secure it on the last few hops of its journey. It's a
false sense of security, just like locking a door when the windows are
open.

>Did you want to know what's different about Blackberry, or do you just like
>to argue?

I know what's different. You like it, and I respect that, but I'm
personally not impressed. I can do push without it, and I don't think
its security has much value -- SSL/TLS connections to my server are at
least as good, if not better.

>If you want to know more details then I suggest you try something called
>Google. RIM itself has a ton of resources to tell you how Blackberry works.
>There are other fine sites to learn to secure data once it's within your
>organization.

Thanks, but I've used Blackberry, and know how it works from a technical
standpoint.

When I need real security, I use strong full end-to-end encryption,
orders of magnitude better than Blackberry, which I couldn't use for
anything that requires real security.

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:51:52 -0400, SinghaLvr <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:29:28 -0400, John Navas wrote
>(in article <[email protected]>):
>
>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:24:40 -0400, SinghaLvr <[email protected]>
>> wrote in <[email protected]>:

>> That's like locking the door while the windows are wide open.

>BTW: Just in case you are new to Google ...

Are you rude by nature, or do you have to work at it?

>Blackberry also supports
>end-to-end encryption using PGP or other encryption technologies.

Sure. And that is a nice feature. But I personally prefer a secure
notebook computer with cellular data.

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:14:48 -0400, SinghaLvr <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:09:26 -0400, John Navas wrote

>> Sure. And that is a nice feature. But I personally prefer a secure
>> notebook computer with cellular data.
>
>I'd recommend some sort of hard drive encryption (BeCrypt) and perhaps some
>software to allow you to purge the data on the device in case it's lost.
>There are a number of vendors out there. We use stuff from iAnywhere.

Thanks, but my ThinkPad is already _very_ secure.

>FWIW: I'm not a huge fan of Blackberry .. I just know where it's strengths
>are ... Security one of the reasons various departments of the government and
>many in the financial field use the device.

I guess that's part of why we see so many stupid security lapses from
these very same folk.

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> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:14:48 -0400, SinghaLvr <[email protected]>
> wrote in <[email protected]>:
>
>>On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:09:26 -0400, John Navas wrote
>
>>> Sure. And that is a nice feature. But I personally prefer a secure
>>> notebook computer with cellular data.
>>
>>I'd recommend some sort of hard drive encryption (BeCrypt) and perhaps
>>some
>>software to allow you to purge the data on the device in case it's lost.
>>There are a number of vendors out there. We use stuff from iAnywhere.
>
> Thanks, but my ThinkPad is already _very_ secure.
>
>>FWIW: I'm not a huge fan of Blackberry .. I just know where it's strengths
>>are ... Security one of the reasons various departments of the government
>>and
>>many in the financial field use the device.
>
> I guess that's part of why we see so many stupid security lapses from
> these very same folk.
>
> --
Yep- usually involving their ThinkPads, not their Blackberries.