Cingular name to fade away?

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:49:21 GMT, "bruceR" <[email protected]> wrote
in <[email protected]>:

>I drove by a Cingular store today in Houston and there, almost as large as
>the store itself, sat a giant, inflatable AT&T Deathstar! No AT&T (or at&t)
>lettering, just the ominous, gas filled orb hovering above the store. Looks
>like a precursor to a name change to me.

AT&T (SBC) has already said it will rebrand Cingular as AT&T if the
merger with BellSouth goes through. I personally think the Cingular
brand may be retained within the name AT&T (e.g., AT&T Cingular
wireless, like a Toyota Camry), for some time at least, but only time
will tell.

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I would bet that you're right. This is just my opinion, but personally
I like the Cingular brand name, it's an established brand, AT&T is as
well. However, what was AT&T Wireless could be looked at as a failure.

Brand recondiiton can be worth a lot, and while many customers know
Cingular acquired AT&T Wireless, it would make sense that AT&T would
want to establish "the new" Cingular as a unique brand to itself....An
"AT&T Cingular", if the Cingular name goes away they will think of
something else clever. I believe the least likely possibility is that
AT&T will resurrect the AT&T Wireless name as was.


John Navas wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:49:21 GMT, "bruceR" <[email protected]> wrote
> in <[email protected]>:
>
> >I drove by a Cingular store today in Houston and there, almost as large as
> >the store itself, sat a giant, inflatable AT&T Deathstar! No AT&T (or at&t)
> >lettering, just the ominous, gas filled orb hovering above the store. Looks
> >like a precursor to a name change to me.
>
> AT&T (SBC) has already said it will rebrand Cingular as AT&T if the
> merger with BellSouth goes through. I personally think the Cingular
> brand may be retained within the name AT&T (e.g., AT&T Cingular
> wireless, like a Toyota Camry), for some time at least, but only time
> will tell.
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

The name "Cingular" is a bit unfortunate if you know Latin.

"Cingulum" means "strap or string to tie something down" and "cingularis,"
if it were a word, would mean "having to do with being tied down." As far
as I know "cingularis" isn't in the dictionary, but I haven't checked
medieval Latin data.

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:43:40 -0400, "mc"
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>The name "Cingular" is a bit unfortunate if you know Latin.
>
>"Cingulum" means "strap or string to tie something down" and "cingularis,"
>if it were a word, would mean "having to do with being tied down." As far
>as I know "cingularis" isn't in the dictionary, but I haven't checked
>medieval Latin data.

There's also cingulus, meaning belt or girdle. But I think the play on
the English word "singular" (extraordinary, remarkable, exceptional) is
the far more likely (and intended) association.

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John Navas wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:43:40 -0400, "mc"
> <[email protected]> wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
>> The name "Cingular" is a bit unfortunate if you know Latin.
>>
>> "Cingulum" means "strap or string to tie something down" and
>> "cingularis," if it were a word, would mean "having to do with being
>> tied down." As far as I know "cingularis" isn't in the dictionary,
>> but I haven't checked medieval Latin data.
>
> There's also cingulus, meaning belt or girdle. But I think the play
> on the English word "singular" (extraordinary, remarkable,
> exceptional) is the far more likely (and intended) association.

I don't disagree but somehow have to think that those "in the know" at
Cingular must get a chuckle out of the irony between the Latin definitions
and their contract terms.

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:21:42 GMT, "bruceR" <[email protected]> wrote
in <[email protected]>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:43:40 -0400, "mc"
>> <[email protected]> wrote in
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> The name "Cingular" is a bit unfortunate if you know Latin.
>>>
>>> "Cingulum" means "strap or string to tie something down" and
>>> "cingularis," if it were a word, would mean "having to do with being
>>> tied down." As far as I know "cingularis" isn't in the dictionary,
>>> but I haven't checked medieval Latin data.
>>
>> There's also cingulus, meaning belt or girdle. But I think the play
>> on the English word "singular" (extraordinary, remarkable,
>> exceptional) is the far more likely (and intended) association.
>
>I don't disagree but somehow have to think that those "in the know" at
>Cingular must get a chuckle out of the irony between the Latin definitions
>and their contract terms.

You may be right, but Cingular humor seems an oxymoron to me.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:43:40 -0400, "mc"
> <[email protected]> wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
>>The name "Cingular" is a bit unfortunate if you know Latin.
>>
>>"Cingulum" means "strap or string to tie something down" and "cingularis,"
>>if it were a word, would mean "having to do with being tied down." As far
>>as I know "cingularis" isn't in the dictionary, but I haven't checked
>>medieval Latin data.
>
> There's also cingulus, meaning belt or girdle. But I think the play on
> the English word "singular" (extraordinary, remarkable, exceptional) is
> the far more likely (and intended) association.

Of course. They just didn't know quite enough Latin

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:46:33 -0400, "mc"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:43:40 -0400, "mc"
>> <[email protected]> wrote in
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>>>The name "Cingular" is a bit unfortunate if you know Latin.
>>>
>>>"Cingulum" means "strap or string to tie something down" and "cingularis,"
>>>if it were a word, would mean "having to do with being tied down." As far
>>>as I know "cingularis" isn't in the dictionary, but I haven't checked
>>>medieval Latin data.
>>
>> There's also cingulus, meaning belt or girdle. But I think the play on
>> the English word "singular" (extraordinary, remarkable, exceptional) is
>> the far more likely (and intended) association.
>
>Of course. They just didn't know quite enough Latin
>


The cingulate gyrus is a convolution of the brain. Operations to
ablate the cingulate gyrus produce the same results as the old
pre-frontal lobotomy. I hope that doing away with "Cingular" does not
do the same with the cellular service.... :-)

Best,

Bob

Robert A. Fink, M. D.
Neurological Surgery
2500 Milvia Street Suite 222
Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA
510-849-2555

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John Navas wrote:
>> I drove by a Cingular store today in Houston and there, almost as large as
>> the store itself, sat a giant, inflatable AT&T Deathstar!

I still think the new AT&T Deathstar has the more benign look of a
jumping jacks ball...but then the Cingular jumping jack guy...

I'm just saying...

John Navas wrote:
> But I think the play on
> the English word "singular" (extraordinary, remarkable, exceptional) is
> the far more likely (and intended) association.

Yes, I'm sure that the intention. But as an engineer, the term
"singular" just reminds me of "singularity", which is usually
associated with errors and failures.

On 19 Aug 2006 23:27:00 -0700, "Bucky" <[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> But I think the play on
>> the English word "singular" (extraordinary, remarkable, exceptional) is
>> the far more likely (and intended) association.
>
>Yes, I'm sure that the intention. But as an engineer, the term
>"singular" just reminds me of "singularity", which is usually
>associated with errors and failures.

That's not a definition I'm familiar with. The ones I know:
1. the state, fact, or quality of being singular.
2. a singular, unusual, or unique quality; peculiarity.
3. Math. See singular point.
4. Astron. (in general relativity) the mathematical representation of
a black hole.

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John Navas wrote:
> On 19 Aug 2006 23:27:00 -0700, "Bucky" <[email protected]> wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>> But I think the play on
>>> the English word "singular" (extraordinary, remarkable, exceptional) is
>>> the far more likely (and intended) association.
>> Yes, I'm sure that the intention. But as an engineer, the term
>> "singular" just reminds me of "singularity", which is usually
>> associated with errors and failures.
>
> That's not a definition I'm familiar with. The ones I know:
> 1. the state, fact, or quality of being singular.
> 2. a singular, unusual, or unique quality; peculiarity.
> 3. Math. See singular point.
> 4. Astron. (in general relativity) the mathematical representation of
> a black hole.

He is an engineer, you are not. That is why you are not familiar with
the term.

http://tinyurl.com/fa4mw

Google is your friend...

So is www.tinyurl.com

On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:38:35 GMT, DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote in
<%l%[email protected]>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> On 19 Aug 2006 23:27:00 -0700, "Bucky" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>> But I think the play on
>>>> the English word "singular" (extraordinary, remarkable, exceptional) is
>>>> the far more likely (and intended) association.
>>> Yes, I'm sure that the intention. But as an engineer, the term
>>> "singular" just reminds me of "singularity", which is usually
>>> associated with errors and failures.
>>
>> That's not a definition I'm familiar with. The ones I know:
>> 1. the state, fact, or quality of being singular.
>> 2. a singular, unusual, or unique quality; peculiarity.
>> 3. Math. See singular point.
>> 4. Astron. (in general relativity) the mathematical representation of
>> a black hole.
>
>He is an engineer, you are not. That is why you are not familiar with
>the term.

I was an aerospace engineer with Bendix Field Engineering on NASA space
probes. And you?

>http://tinyurl.com/fa4mw
>
>Google is your friend...

"Singularity" in the phrase "singularity error" (e.g., from a singular
matrix) is actually subsumed in the (authoritative) "singularity"
definitions I posted.

Saying "singularity" pertains to "errors and failures" because of the
phrase "singularity error" would be like saying "range" pertains to
errors because of the phrase "range error", "system" pertains to
failures because of the phrase "system failure", or that the color
"blue" pertains to the sky.

Beware of raw Google results.

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John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

John Navas wrote:
> Beware of raw Google results.

Translation: Cite the ones that support an argument and ignore the ones
that don't.
http://skepdic.com/selectiv.html

Alternative translation: Rely on Google to support an argument and
ignore the professionals in their own field.
http://skepdic.com/selfdeception.html

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 19 Aug 2006 23:27:00 -0700, "Bucky" <[email protected]> wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
>>John Navas wrote:
>>> But I think the play on
>>> the English word "singular" (extraordinary, remarkable, exceptional) is
>>> the far more likely (and intended) association.
>>
>>Yes, I'm sure that the intention. But as an engineer, the term
>>"singular" just reminds me of "singularity", which is usually
>>associated with errors and failures.
>
> That's not a definition I'm familiar with. The ones I know:
> 1. the state, fact, or quality of being singular.

This would be a good example as no other provider in my area provides a
signal as crappy as Cingular.

> 2. a singular, unusual, or unique quality; peculiarity.

or lack of, see #1 above

> 3. Math. See singular point.

I am still searching for #3 (that one point in my area that I do not suffer
the constant dropped calls).