Florida Report on Verizon and Cingular

John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
news[email protected]:

> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:31:23 -0600, "Frankster"
> <[email protected]> wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
>>> It won't. He must have been using his external imagination.
>>
>>Nah... I was on a cruise from Miami recently and noticed the same
>>thing. I attributed it to antennas being placed on the outlying
>>islands and such as the ship was heading out to open sea.
>
> Out of Miami there's Bimini, and then the Bahamas. But Steven
> claims to have had reception where there aren't any such islands.
> Perhaps he was seriously lost.
>

Steven never made such claims. Cingular shill lies if facts don't
support him.

--jerry

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John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:19:48 -0700, SMS
> <[email protected]> wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
>>George wrote:
>>
>>> And another feature is that Verizon doesn't omit things like
>>> batteries, generators and redundant data paths. Ask anyone who
>>> has experienced the Florida weather which system will be usable.
>>
>>It's really amazing that more businesses that are as critical as
>>this don't have back-up power. Verizon's always been the best
>>carrier in terms of the percentage of their cells with back-up
>>power. During the big hurricane in South Florida last year, it
>>wasn't just Cingular, ...
>
> In fact all carriers have backup systems.
>

In fact you are a Cingular shill.

--jerry

DonR. wrote:
> I drove that stretch on 40 through the Ocala National Forest back in the
> mid-1990's. It was AT&T analog then.

It probably will remain AMPS for the foreseeable future. It's a fairly
major road, as it's the only good route between I-75 and I-95, in that
part of the state. It was a pretty fast drive, and avoided the
gawd-awful Florida Turnpike.

Jerry wrote:

> Steven never made such claims. Cingular shill lies if facts don't
> support him.

I think that the reason that Verizon works so far from shore is that
it's over open ocean from the Port Canaveral towers, with no
obstructions. As I stated, I don't know if the cruise passengers were on
AMPS or CDMA, but I do know that there was no GSM coverage at all that
far from shore.

There was CDMA coverage on some of the islands that the ship docked at,
but these were further than Bimini.

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On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:21:40 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>Jerry wrote:
>
>> Steven never made such claims. Cingular shill lies if facts don't
>> support him.
>
>I think that the reason that Verizon works so far from shore is that
>it's over open ocean from the Port Canaveral towers, with no
>obstructions.

For a signal to reach your claimed 50 miles, and the lack of any hills,
cell towers would have to be over 1300 feet high. Care to try again?

>s I stated, I don't know if the cruise passengers were on
>AMPS or CDMA, but I do know that there was no GSM coverage at all that
>far from shore.

On your phone. You really ought to get a better phone.

>There was CDMA coverage on some of the islands that the ship docked at,
>but these were further than Bimini.

Both Bimini and the Bahamas have both GSM and CDMA2000 coverage. But
those islands aren't anywhere close to your claimed location. Care to
try again?

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John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

John Navas wrote:
> For a signal to reach your claimed 50 miles, and the lack of any hills,
> cell towers would have to be over 1300 feet high.

When you did that calculation, what height above sea level were you
assuming for the phone on the ship?

--
St. John
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it cannot be argued, there are never enough comfortable chairs.
-Fran Lebowitz

John Navas wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:54:46 -0400, George <[email protected]> wrote
> in <[email protected]>:
>
>
>>And another feature is that Verizon doesn't omit things like batteries,
>>generators and redundant data paths. ...
>
>
> Likewise other carriers, including Cingular.
>

Actually no, the GSM carriers only install barebones systems. tmobile
only has a simple cabinet at each site without battery and a connector
for a generator to be plugged in. The Cingular GSM sites are constructed
in the same fashion. When I asked someone they said they had two
generators for an almost two state area.

VZW has battery and generators on each site. Ask anyone who went thru
the Florida hurricanes and had VZW why they were the most popular person
on their block for weeks after the storms.

John Navas wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:19:48 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
> wrote in <[email protected]>:
>
>
>>George wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And another feature is that Verizon doesn't omit things like batteries,
>>>generators and redundant data paths. Ask anyone who has experienced the
>>>Florida weather which system will be usable.
>>
>>It's really amazing that more businesses that are as critical as this
>>don't have back-up power. Verizon's always been the best carrier in
>>terms of the percentage of their cells with back-up power. During the
>>big hurricane in South Florida last year, it wasn't just Cingular, ...
>
>
> In fact all carriers have backup systems.
>

Actually no, and you can even verify this by observation. Anyone with a
commercial/industrial background would be shocked to see the
infrastructure of some of the carriers.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "St. John Smythe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>> For a signal to reach your claimed 50 miles, and the lack of any hills,
>>> cell towers would have to be over 1300 feet high.
>> When you did that calculation, what height above sea level were you
>> assuming for the phone on the ship?
>
> John Navas conveniently ignores things like that. He ASSumed that the
> OP was in a rowboat at sea level.

Not sure how high the person was, but it was on the top deck of the
Mariner of the Seas. With 13 decks, I expect that the elevation was
somewhere between 100' and 200' above sea level.

George wrote:

> Actually no, and you can even verify this by observation. Anyone with a
> commercial/industrial background would be shocked to see the
> infrastructure of some of the carriers.

Not every tower has battery and/or generator back-up. After the last
hurricane season a lot more were installed. The Cingular press release
after the big hurricane, about them sending generators down to Florida
because of the loss of commercial power. Cingular stated that they have
generators at 25% of their sites, though this was in a press release
prior to the big hurricane season and they may have improved this since
then.

Verizon wasn't in such bad shape, as 80% of their sites have generators,
though they did send in mobile cells to boost capacity.

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On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:16:03 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote:

>RichC wrote:
>
>> Verizon is the only service I've had since I moved to Florida & the coverage
>> is great. The only place where it's a little spotty for me is on Alligator
>> alley. Did you use an external antenna to get coverage 50 miles out? I never
>> thought it would extend that far.
>
>I wasn't on the cruise, I was picking up some people. CDMA has no
>problem at 50 miles (though I don't know if the people were on AMPS or
>on CDMA). GSM has a hard limit of about 22 miles, though one person in
>the U.S. has extended range GSM.


Drop the "CDMA vs GSM" comparison.

What matters more is tower locations and which frequency is being used.
1.8 GHz attenuates much faster (shorter distance) in humid air or other
substance than 800 MHz.

gerry

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:28:50 -0400, "St. John Smythe" <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> For a signal to reach your claimed 50 miles, and the lack of any hills,
>> cell towers would have to be over 1300 feet high.
>
>When you did that calculation, what height above sea level were you
>assuming for the phone on the ship?

100 feet. Satisfied?

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Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:50:15 -0400, gerry <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
>On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:16:03 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>RichC wrote:
>>
>>> Verizon is the only service I've had since I moved to Florida & the coverage
>>> is great. The only place where it's a little spotty for me is on Alligator
>>> alley. Did you use an external antenna to get coverage 50 miles out? I never
>>> thought it would extend that far.
>>
>>I wasn't on the cruise, I was picking up some people. CDMA has no
>>problem at 50 miles (though I don't know if the people were on AMPS or
>>on CDMA). GSM has a hard limit of about 22 miles, though one person in
>>the U.S. has extended range GSM.
>
>
>Drop the "CDMA vs GSM" comparison.
>
>What matters more is tower locations and which frequency is being used.
>1.8 GHz attenuates much faster (shorter distance) in humid air or other
>substance than 800 MHz.

Signal propagation is actually just a function of distance, not
frequency. (<http://www.sss-mag.com/pdf/1propagation.pdf>) Other
factors include reflection, diffraction, scattering, absorbtion, and
transmit power. The primary difference between 800 and 1900 (not 1800)
bands is the lower power permitted in 1900, but that's only a range
difference of about 18%, and only matters when range is limited only by
power (e.g., not by terrain), which is relatively rare.

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:45:50 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>Verizon wasn't in such bad shape, as 80% of their sites have generators,
>...

Citation? Or just another unsubstantiated claim?

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