"Nokia needs device revamp to regain U.S. ground: analysts"

George wrote:
> Nessnet wrote:
>> There is a bottom line here.
>>
>> Nokia sold **** CDMA devices. The market reacted by not buying them.
>> Nokia decided to get out because they were not selling anything.
>>
>> Basic business.
>
> It was more than that. They couldn't get their CDMA designs past the
> carriers acceptance testing. The few that did get thru then fell into
> the worst performer category as you described.

However the bowling game is better than the Motorola games.

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On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:19:55 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>Diamond Dave wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:25:34 GMT, John Navas
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> <http://www.theregister.com/2006/10/19/nokia_results/>
>>>
>>> Nokia has consolidated its position as the world's leading mobile
>>> phone maker and announced a 20 per cent rise in net sales during its
>>> fiscal third quarter.
>>
>> I guess you'd care if you had a GSM phone on a GSM carrier. Nokia is
>> leaving the CDMA market, which is fine by me because I don't care for
>> their phones anyhow - GSM or CDMA.
>
>Nokia is far behind Motorola in the U.S. market,

Yes.

>due to their almost
>total lack of CDMA phones.

No. The real factor, as confirmed by authoritative sources, is the
RAZR, which has been phenomenally successful in the USA.

>Since CDMA is the leading technology in the
>U.S., with more subscribers than GSM, it really makes Nokia's goal of
>being number one in the U.S. a fantasy.

Nokia is actually abandoning CDMA2000 (not "CMDA") because it's a
"shrinking" market, focusing instead on the growing market, W-CDMA
(UMTS/HSDPA), a major blow to Qualcomm. Sprint's decision to move to
WiMAX is another major blow to Qualcomm and CDMA2000.

>They really are going to have to
>re-enter the CDMA market at some point, as CDMA continues to expand in
>growing markets like China.

Wishful thinking.

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Scott wrote:

>> Total nonsense.
>>
>
>
> Prove it.

You're new here, huh?

Anyway, just look at all the news about expanding CDMA networks in Asia.
China Unicom just received the license to install 3G in Macau, where
they are already operating a CDMA voice network, and a 2G data network.

In all the big cities in China, CDMA is going gangbusters, and is now
the technology of choice due to its much more efficient use of spectrum
than GSM. For data, CDMA is also the big winner, with EV-DO far
outpacing UMTS, and HSPDA.

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:47:06 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>Anyway, just look at all the news about expanding CDMA networks in Asia.
>China Unicom just received the license to install 3G in Macau, where
>they are already operating a CDMA voice network, and a 2G data network.
>
>In all the big cities in China, CDMA is going gangbusters, and is now
>the technology of choice due to its much more efficient use of spectrum
>than GSM. For data, CDMA is also the big winner, with EV-DO far
>outpacing UMTS, and HSPDA.

More nonsense. The facts:

* China Mobile, the largest mobile operator in China, uses GSM,
continues to invest in it, and is expanding into EDGE, UMTS and HSDPA.

* China Unicom operates both GSM and CDMA2000 networks, is still
investing in GSM, and rumors persist that it will be split up, probably
by transferring its two networks to China Telecom and China Netcom,

* China is still pursuing its own home-grown 3G technology, Time
Division Synchronous Code Division Multiple Access (TD SCDMA).

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On 2006-11-02, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
> Diamond Dave wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:25:34 GMT, John Navas
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> <http://www.theregister.com/2006/10/19/nokia_results/>
>>>
>>> Nokia has consolidated its position as the world's leading mobile
>>> phone maker and announced a 20 per cent rise in net sales during its
>>> fiscal third quarter.
>>
>> I guess you'd care if you had a GSM phone on a GSM carrier. Nokia is
>> leaving the CDMA market, which is fine by me because I don't care for
>> their phones anyhow - GSM or CDMA.
>
> Nokia is far behind Motorola in the U.S. market, due to their almost
> total lack of CDMA phones. Since CDMA is the leading technology in the
> U.S., with more subscribers than GSM, it really makes Nokia's goal of
> being number one in the U.S. a fantasy. They really are going to have to
> re-enter the CDMA market at some point, as CDMA continues to expand in
> growing markets like China.

Bad example "growing market", maybe:

http://www.mwjournal.com/News/article.asp?HH_ID=AR_3476

"[In China] Market reports show revenue from CDMA service fell 1.3 percent
during the first half of 2006 and that profit margin was down 3.3 percent"

Poor China Unicom got stuck with their CDMA network, in addition to
GSM, as part of negotiations (with guess who?) for China's entry into
the WTO. Unicom's CDMA subscriber base is growing at less than half
the rate for Unicom's GSM, and (according to the Hong Kong newspaper)
Unicom is losing overall market share to China Mobile at a fair clip.

I like CDMA just fine, but it is worth keeping the respective sizes
of the worldwide markets in perspective. China alone has 20% more GSM
subscribers than CDG estimates of CDMA2000 subscribers in the
entire world.

Dennis Ferguson