Any new Treos coming to Cingular?

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:31:00 -0500, Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>It is alleged that John Navas claimed:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:42:25 -0700, Todd Allcock
>> <[email protected]> wrote in
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>> >At 16 Nov 2006 10:53:22 -0500 Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
>>
>> >> The checking for traffic though, I'd prefer to
>> >> leave that up to the GPS, by using a system with a traffic service.
>> >
>> >Does any Palm nav app offer that functionality? Pharos and a few other
>> >on WM do.
>>
>> Google Maps for Mobile. <http://www.google.com/gmm> Now available for
>> Treo. Works so well on my Motorola V551 that I no longer bother with my
>> GPS.
>
>But it's not GPS enabled. At least, not on the Treo.

[shrug] I've never had a problem figuring out where I am.

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:58:03 -0700, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>At 16 Nov 2006 18:22:27 +0000 John Navas wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:42:25 -0700, Todd Allcock
>> <[email protected]> wrote in
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>> >At 16 Nov 2006 10:53:22 -0500 Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
>>
>> >> The checking for traffic though, I'd prefer to
>> >> leave that up to the GPS, by using a system with a traffic service.
>> >
>> >Does any Palm nav app offer that functionality? Pharos and a few other
>> >on WM do.
>>
>> Google Maps for Mobile. <http://www.google.com/gmm> Now available for
>> Treo. Works so well on my Motorola V551 that I no longer bother with my
>> GPS.
>
>Perhaps I'm missing something, but other than displaying a map (or
>satellite image) what does GMM do? It doesn't support GPS or routing,
>does it? I see it can display driving directions, but so can Mapquest
>mobile.

* Free
* Accurate
* Excellent display and performance
* Interactive
* Both Map and Satellite views
* Good turn-by-turn routing
* Real-time traffic
* Local business search
* Contact information, with auto dialing

>Seems like a cute mobile app, but hardly a replacement for "real"
>navigation software...

Works so well for me that I now leave my GPS at home. I could input GPS
coordinates into GMM, but I've never felt the need to do that -- I have
no trouble figuring out where I am -- I just want to know where to go.


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At 16 Nov 2006 19:03:36 +0000 John Navas wrote:

> >But it's not GPS enabled. At least, not on the Treo.
>
> [shrug] I've never had a problem figuring out where I am.

One of the major benefits of a GPS Nav system is getting you somewhere
when you're lost, or in a strange city (for example, good luck entering
"Peachtree" as the "starting from" street in Atlanta!). A current GPS
position saves you from having to enter the "from" location when querying
directions!


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It is alleged that John Navas claimed:

> >> Google Maps for Mobile. <http://www.google.com/gmm> Now available for
> >> Treo. Works so well on my Motorola V551 that I no longer bother with my
> >> GPS.
> >
> >But it's not GPS enabled. At least, not on the Treo.
>
> [shrug] I've never had a problem figuring out where I am.

I have. Plus, without being BT enabled, if you use it to chart a route
it has no way of knowing if you missed a turn and thus no way to alert
you that you missed a turn, and also no automatic route recalculation.

GMM is better than nothing, and it's good for what it does, but it
needs to be able to connect to a GPS receiver to be truly great.

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It is alleged that Todd Allcock claimed:

> > Google Maps for Mobile. <http://www.google.com/gmm> Now available for
> > Treo. Works so well on my Motorola V551 that I no longer bother with my
> > GPS.
>
> Perhaps I'm missing something, but other than displaying a map (or
> satellite image) what does GMM do? It doesn't support GPS or routing,
> does it? I see it can display driving directions, but so can Mapquest
> mobile.

Well, I for one, prefer Google's maps to Mapquest's maps. Google's are
easier to read, and in my initial testing when Google Maps was first
released on the web, its directions were also better.

> Seems like a cute mobile app, but hardly a replacement for "real"
> navigation software...

Rumor has it that GPS is in the works for GMM, it's just not here yet.

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It is alleged that John Navas claimed:

> coordinates into GMM, but I've never felt the need to do that -- I have
> no trouble figuring out where I am -- I just want to know where to go.
>

Hey John... you do realize that there are many people around here who
would be very happy to tell you where to go, right?

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:58:17 -0700, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>At 16 Nov 2006 19:03:36 +0000 John Navas wrote:
>
>> >But it's not GPS enabled. At least, not on the Treo.
>>
>> [shrug] I've never had a problem figuring out where I am.
>
>One of the major benefits of a GPS Nav system is getting you somewhere
>when you're lost, or in a strange city (for example, good luck entering
>"Peachtree" as the "starting from" street in Atlanta!).

Addresses like:
"215 peachtree st, atlanta ga"
and
"peachtree st and ellis, atlanta, ga"
actually work fine in GMM -- just a matter of reading street signs.

>A current GPS
>position saves you from having to enter the "from" location when querying
>directions!

True, but it actually takes me less time to punch my location into my
cell phone than it does to fire up my GPS and wait for it to acquire
satellites and fix my position.

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:23:56 -0500, Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>It is alleged that John Navas claimed:
>
>> >> Google Maps for Mobile. <http://www.google.com/gmm> Now available for
>> >> Treo. Works so well on my Motorola V551 that I no longer bother with my
>> >> GPS.
>> >
>> >But it's not GPS enabled. At least, not on the Treo.
>>
>> [shrug] I've never had a problem figuring out where I am.
>
>I have. Plus, without being BT enabled, if you use it to chart a route
>it has no way of knowing if you missed a turn and thus no way to alert
>you that you missed a turn, and also no automatic route recalculation.

Different strokes, and all that sort of thing -- I've had more problems
with my Magellan GPS getting the route confused and sending me in the
wrong direction than I've had with GMM. A big advantage to GMM is that
it has the latest data, instead of something that might be a year or
more old (and that I don't have to spend money to keep it updated). Not
to mention local search and contact capabilities, which are miles ahead
of any GPS system I've used.

>GMM is better than nothing, and it's good for what it does, but it
>needs to be able to connect to a GPS receiver to be truly great.

For me it's truly great, better than my GPS. GPS input would be a nice
fringe benefit, but no more than that.

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:28:05 -0500, Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>It is alleged that John Navas claimed:
>
>> coordinates into GMM, but I've never felt the need to do that -- I have
>> no trouble figuring out where I am -- I just want to know where to go.
>>
>
>Hey John... you do realize that there are many people around here who
>would be very happy to tell you where to go, right?

Really? Hmmm ... missed that somehow. Cell phone numbers please!

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:26:22 -0500, Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>It is alleged that Todd Allcock claimed:

>> Seems like a cute mobile app, but hardly a replacement for "real"
>> navigation software...
>
>Rumor has it that GPS is in the works for GMM, it's just not here yet.

A likely problem is that Google will need the cooperation of the
carriers to get location information, who aren't likely to do that
without a big piece of the action, so there would seem to be some
obvious issues.

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John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> "215 peachtree st, atlanta ga"

That gives 10 "Did you mean" entries in maps.google.com.
If you got the one that you wanted in GMM, it would be coincidence, to the
exclusion of the other 9.

In gmm, it returns "1-9: more results". you might be able to select which
of those 9 you want, maybe not. Your location might have been #10, which
doesn't show up. gmm only lists 10. remove the "st", and it still shows
1-9, but starts with Ave.

Garmin CitySelect lists 100 potential variants for "Peachtree" in Atlanta,
and I think it might just stop at 100. It has 50 entries under a search
for "215 Peachtree St", but some of that is fuzzy logic, there are
actually only 3. the rest are avenues, ct, circle, place, etc.

"Peachtree" and "Atlanta" is a source of endless humor for visitors. ;-(

> True, but it actually takes me less time to punch my location into my
> cell phone than it does to fire up my GPS and wait for it to acquire
> satellites and fix my position.

That suggests that you have some clue of where you are.

Last year, I found myself with a non-mapping handheld GPS and a v551
cellphone, and not a clue of where I was. (not fully true... I knew
within 10 or 15 miles.) I turned on the GPS, let it get a location for me,
keyed that into Google Maps on the phone. Voila! I was very close to
where I wanted to be, but the "huge" place I was looking for wasn't visible
from the main street.

This year, with my mapping GPS at home because I wasn't going anywhere
unfamiliar, I found myself someplace in the abyss between Newark, CA and
Fremont. I thought I knew where I was, but I couldn't find my present
location on Google Maps, even after typing my little thumbs tired.
I even tried searching for a couple of businesses that I saw, with no
success.

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It is alleged that John Navas claimed:

> >Rumor has it that GPS is in the works for GMM, it's just not here yet.
> A likely problem is that Google will need the cooperation of the
> carriers to get location information, who aren't likely to do that

Why? On a device with a built-in GPS locator, all it would have to do
is query the device. For an external GPS antenna, the carrier is also
not involved. All it has to do is query the antenna for the current
position as use that as the "start here" location.

Same was TomTom, etc, do it now for Palm and WinMob smartphones and
PDAs.

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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 01:33:21 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

>> True, but it actually takes me less time to punch my location into my
>> cell phone than it does to fire up my GPS and wait for it to acquire
>> satellites and fix my position.
>
>That suggests that you have some clue of where you are.

I do.

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:52:02 -0500, Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>It is alleged that John Navas claimed:
>
>> >Rumor has it that GPS is in the works for GMM, it's just not here yet.
>> A likely problem is that Google will need the cooperation of the
>> carriers to get location information, who aren't likely to do that
>
>Why? On a device with a built-in GPS locator, all it would have to do
>is query the device.

Easily blocked by the carrier.

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At 17 Nov 2006 01:33:21 +0000 [email protected] wrote:
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > "215 peachtree st, atlanta ga"
>
> That gives 10 "Did you mean" entries in maps.google.com.
> If you got the one that you wanted in GMM, it would be coincidence,
to the
> exclusion of the other 9.
>
> Garmin CitySelect lists 100 potential variants for "Peachtree" in
Atlanta,
> and I think it might just stop at 100. It has 50 entries under a
search
> for "215 Peachtree St", but some of that is fuzzy logic, there are
> actually only 3. the rest are avenues, ct, circle, place, etc.
>
> "Peachtree" and "Atlanta" is a source of endless humor for
visitors. ;-(

You didn't think I picked that example for John by accident, did you?
;-)


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