NEWS: Physics promises wireless power

At 16 Nov 2006 19:17:31 +0000 John Navas wrote:

> To be clear, I was just pointing out that the energy density of solar
> panels is too low to make them practical for powering a laptop computer.
> And of course the cost is prohibitive.

I know, and I honestly wasn'ttrying to offend- my warped sence of humor
just found a delicious irony when you pointing out the (very real)
shortcomings of an existing technology while waxing poetic about one that
is still (mostly?) theoretical!


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dOn Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:02:13 -0700, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote in
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>At 16 Nov 2006 19:17:31 +0000 John Navas wrote:
>
>> To be clear, I was just pointing out that the energy density of solar
>> panels is too low to make them practical for powering a laptop computer.
>> And of course the cost is prohibitive.
>
>I know, and I honestly wasn'ttrying to offend- my warped sence of humor
>just found a delicious irony when you pointing out the (very real)
>shortcomings of an existing technology while waxing poetic about one that
>is still (mostly?) theoretical!

Point taken.

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John Navas wrote:
> Steven doesn't let facts get in the way of stuff he makes up.

Kind of like *extended GSM"..huh?

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>
> Google and all the other search engines down?
> Took me all of about 30 seconds to find:
>
> * "Wireless Non-Radiative Energy Transfer", Marin Soljacic, Aristeidis
> Karalis, and J.D.Joannopoulos. 2006 AIP Industrial Physics Forum in
> San Francisco (CA), USA, 2006. [Key words there are "non-radiative"]
>
> * <http://eprintweb.org/S/article/physics/0611063>
> physics/0611063 (November 2006)
> Wireless Non-Radiative Energy Transfer
> Aristeidis Karalis, J. D. Joannopoulos and Marin Soljacic
> Received. 07 November 2006 Last updated. 07 November 2006
> Abstract. We investigate whether, and to what extent, the physical
> phenomenon of long-lifetime resonant electromagnetic states with
> localized slowly-evanescent field patterns can be used to transfer
> energy efficiently, even in the presence of extraneous environmental
> objects. Via detailed theoretical and numerical analyses of typical
> real-world model-situations and realistic material parameters, we
> establish that such a non-radiative scheme could indeed be practical
> for medium-range wireless energy transfer.
> Subject. Optics; Classical Physics
> Comment. 17 pages, 6 figures
> Article Options
> Full Text [link]


So, you're giving someone a hard time because you googled stuff you don't
understand and they didn't bother?

Polly want a cracker?

John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
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>
> Do your homework before ranting.
>


Physician, heal thyself.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:37:31 GMT, decaturtxcowboy
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>John Navas wrote:
>> Steven doesn't let facts get in the way of stuff he makes up.
>
>Kind of like *extended GSM"..huh?

<http://www.motorola.com/content.jsp?globalObjectId=2050-8217-8223>
<http://www.mobilecomms-technology.com/projects/gsm_morocco/>

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John Navas wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:17:54 -0700, Todd Allcock
>> I'm not saying he's necessarily wrong, I just found it ironic that John
>> completely poo-pooed an established (albeit imperfect) existing
>> technology like solar power, while promoting a so-far theoretical one in
>> the same thread.
>
> To be clear, I was just pointing out that the energy density of solar
> panels is too low to make them practical for powering a laptop computer.
> And of course the cost is prohibitive.

Nonsense, I use solar power often when out in the field for extended
periods. Cost effectiveness isn't an issue when there aren't other
viable power sources.

John Navas wrote:
> I was talking indefinite power during the day, with enough reserve to
> charge the battery for use during the night. For that you need a very
> big and very expensive RV-type system.

Four hours of good sunlight gives me almost 30 kilowatts of stored power.
Its not that expensive. Tad under $5,000.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:52:31 GMT, decaturtxcowboy
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>John Navas wrote:
>> I was talking indefinite power during the day, with enough reserve to
>> charge the battery for use during the night. For that you need a very
>> big and very expensive RV-type system.
>
>Four hours of good sunlight gives me almost 30 kilowatts of stored power.
>Its not that expensive. Tad under $5,000.

LOL!

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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:49:12 GMT, decaturtxcowboy
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>John Navas wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:17:54 -0700, Todd Allcock
>>> I'm not saying he's necessarily wrong, I just found it ironic that John
>>> completely poo-pooed an established (albeit imperfect) existing
>>> technology like solar power, while promoting a so-far theoretical one in
>>> the same thread.
>>
>> To be clear, I was just pointing out that the energy density of solar
>> panels is too low to make them practical for powering a laptop computer.
>> And of course the cost is prohibitive.
>
>Nonsense, I use solar power often when out in the field for extended
>periods. Cost effectiveness isn't an issue when there aren't other
>viable power sources.

There are of course other viable power sources.
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330050722236>
Way less expensive than an RV-type solar system.
Way more powerful.

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John Navas wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:52:31 GMT, decaturtxcowboy
> <[email protected]> wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>> I was talking indefinite power during the day, with enough reserve to
>>> charge the battery for use during the night. For that you need a very
>>> big and very expensive RV-type system.
>> Four hours of good sunlight gives me almost 30 kilowatts of stored power.
>> Its not that expensive. Tad under $5,000.
>
> LOL!

Yeah, but the $450 shipping was ridiculous.

John Navas wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:37:31 GMT, decaturtxcowboy
> <[email protected]> wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>> Steven doesn't let facts get in the way of stuff he makes up.
>> Kind of like *extended GSM"..huh?
>
> <http://www.motorola.com/content.jsp?globalObjectId=2050-8217-8223>
> <http://www.mobilecomms-technology.com/projects/gsm_morocco/>


Let me rephrase that...

Kind of like "extended GSM" by US wireless carriers.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 01:27:26 GMT, decaturtxcowboy
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>John Navas wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:37:31 GMT, decaturtxcowboy
>> <[email protected]> wrote in
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>> Steven doesn't let facts get in the way of stuff he makes up.
>>> Kind of like *extended GSM"..huh?
>>
>> <http://www.motorola.com/content.jsp?globalObjectId=2050-8217-8223>
>> <http://www.mobilecomms-technology.com/projects/gsm_morocco/>
>
>Let me rephrase that...
>
>Kind of like "extended GSM" by US wireless carriers.

<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cellular.cingular/msg/b3a8613ce49f2353>
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cellular.verizon/msg/15688a284c92c746>

Stands uncontradicted. Unless and until you have some real proof to the
contrary (which of course you don't), I'm done.

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John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
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> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.c...a8613ce49f2353



You think your own unsubstantiated posts constitute any kind of definitive
proof? Where is the independent data to back up your little fairy tale,
Novice?



John has no independent proof of extended GSM use in the US. Not even
Cingular admits to what would be a publicity coup for the carrier.
Translation- John is lying.

Prove me wrong, parrot boy.

Todd Allcock wrote:

> Heck, I'm still waiting for my laptop's hydrogen fuel cell- how many new
> power technologies can I get excited about? ;-)

I'm waiting for my flying car.