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  1. #16
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: TechWeb: "GSM Based phones can usually be used in many non-U.S. countries."

    At 09 Dec 2006 10:18:46 -0800 carcarx wrote:
    >
    > Here're two of Nokia's new phones for VerizonWireless (cdma2000 EV-DO)
    >
    > http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6315i/0,7747,,00.html
    > http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6305i/0,7747,,00.html
    >
    > There are more cdma2000 phone on the Nokia USA web site.
    > Look for model numbers ending in "i".
    > So, obviously, Nokia hasn't abandoned cdma2000.


    Nokia has stopped producing new CDMA handsets. According to an article I
    read a couple of months ago, they are now having their CDMA phones built
    for them by two companies, Pantech and someone else I've forgotten
    (Samsung maybe?) So the only thing Nokia is building for CDMA phones
    going forward is their logo!





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  2. #17
    james g. keegan jr.
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    Re: TechWeb: "GSM Based phones can usually be used in many non-U.S. countries."

    In article <[email protected]>,
    sw <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "james g. keegan jr." <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:10:02 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
    > > > wrote in <[email protected]>:
    > > >
    > > > >... However the story is different in Korea, where
    > > > >it's relatively easy to use a CDMA phone, as well as in China, India,
    > > > >etc. New CDMA networks are being deployed in a lot of countries, and
    > > > >coverage is expanding in existing countries. It's not that these
    > > > >countries were so keen on a second standard, but in the densely
    > > > >populated countries, they needed the higher efficiency of CDMA.
    > > >
    > > > In fact CDMA2000 is on the decline, but in and out of the USA; e.g.,
    > > > signs that India may switch from CDMA2000 to GSM.

    > >
    > > in fact, cdma is the fastest growing technology in china. you need to
    > > stop talking about things you are ignorant of, john. doing so, as you
    > > do often lately, makes you look silly and lessens your credibility to
    > > speak to any subject you might know something about.

    >
    > Anus navas worships Nokia. Whatever Nokia claims or says must be right.
    > Actually, this is another case of navas cut and paste.


    i admit it .... i am astounded at the volume of incorrect information
    he puts out.



  3. #18
    Joel Kolstad
    Guest

    Re: TechWeb: "GSM Based phones can usually be used in many non-U.S. countries."

    "Double Tap" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Absolutely incorrect. You do not need an unlocked phone to have service.
    > If your phone functions on the 900/1800/1900 GSM frequency bands and your
    > local service provider has a roaming agreement with the overseas provider
    > your phone will work. However you per minute cost might be through the roof,
    > so by having an unlocked phone you can purchase a local SIM card and get
    > much better rates.


    Yes, thanks for the clarification. I was thinking of the "buying a pre-paid
    SIM" approach for overseas use, and thinking that was going to work perhaps 1
    time in 10.

    My mother spends most of her time in New Zealand these days. She has one of
    the Sprint/Samsung CDMA/GSM phones (SCH-A790), which shes uses with a pre-paid
    Vodafone SIM in NZ. Interestingly, the phone will roam in CDMA mode on
    Telecom NZ's network... but the rates are outrageous, and you say.





  4. #19
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: TechWeb: "GSM Based phones can usually be used in many non-U.S.countries."

    Joel Kolstad wrote:

    > My mother spends most of her time in New Zealand these days. She has one of
    > the Sprint/Samsung CDMA/GSM phones (SCH-A790), which shes uses with a pre-paid
    > Vodafone SIM in NZ. Interestingly, the phone will roam in CDMA mode on
    > Telecom NZ's network... but the rates are outrageous, and you say.


    Yeah, if you're interested in the most international roaming, without
    prepaid SIMs but willing to pay the high roaming charges, then the
    CDMA/GSM phones are definitely the best choice. Not only can you roam in
    countries with no GSM at all, such as South Korea, but you can roam onto
    both GSM and CDMA networks in countries that have both. This advantage
    is increasing as CDMA networks in formerly GSM-only countries are being
    greatly expanded. Alas, some of the new CDMA networks coming on-line
    soon will be 450 MHz. It never ends.

    I keep an unlocked 900/1800 GSM phone for use with prepaid SIMs in
    Europe in parts of Asia. I have a lot of colleagues that tried to use
    Cingular GSM with a tri-band 900/1800/1900 phone, back when Cingular was
    1900 MHz only GSM in the west (and the rest of Cingular was TDMA), and
    they gave up because the GSM coverage in the western region was
    terrible, and the GSM roaming onto Voicestream (now T-Mobile) in the
    rest of the country was expensive. Some of them have switched back to
    Cingular now, using a quad-band phone, as the coverage is much improved
    ever since the 800 MHz GSM deployment.



  5. #20
    Mike Jacoubowsky
    Guest

    Re: TechWeb: "GSM Based phones can usually be used in many non-U.S. countries."

    > Both T-Mobile and Cingular will unlock phones on request by customers in
    > good standing.


    Is this done while-you-wait at a company store, or does the phone need to be
    sent in?

    --Mike Jacoubowsky
    Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReaction.com
    Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:55:44 -0800, "Joel Kolstad"
    > <[email protected]> wrote in
    > <[email protected]>:
    >
    >>"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]...
    >>> "Both T-Mobile and Cingular had an advantage not available for Verizon
    >>> and
    >>> Sprint users: their GSM-based phones can usually be used in many
    >>> non-U.S.
    >>> countries, CR observed."

    >>
    >>"Usually" is probably rather overstated: Unless someone specifically
    >>purchased
    >>an unlocked phone from their U.S.-based GSM carrier, I'd say the odds of
    >>the
    >>average person having such a phone is perhaps... 1 in 10?

    >
    > Both T-Mobile and Cingular will unlock phones on request by customers in
    > good standing.
    >
    > --
    > Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    > John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
    >






  6. #21
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: TechWeb: "GSM Based phones can usually be used in many non-U.S. countries."

    At 13 Dec 2006 00:04:24 +0000 Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
    > > Both T-Mobile and Cingular will unlock phones on request by customers
    > > in good standing.

    >
    > Is this done while-you-wait at a company store, or does the phone need
    > to be sent in?



    Neither- generally you call them and they give you a gazillion-digit code
    you type into the phone to remove the subsidy lock.


    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com




  7. #22
    dafydd
    Guest

    Re: TechWeb: "GSM Based phones can usually be used in many non-U.S. countries."

    Actually, at aleast if it is a T-mobile phone, 1st a call is made to
    customer care from a phone other than your cell, so that you can give
    them the 15 digit IMEI number from your cell. The representative fills
    out a for and sends it off to the research department to get the
    Subsidy Unlock code, which typically is then emailed to the email
    addreess you provided duringg your call. The turn around time is
    usually about 24 hours, unless they donot have it on file and have to
    send off to the manufacturer for it. If you donot get an email from
    them one way or other within 72 hours you should call, as sometimes,
    the email address gets mis-typed. They can give you the instructions
    over the phone.

    > Is this done while-you-wait at a company store, or does the phone need to be
    > sent in?
    >





  8. #23
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: TechWeb: "GSM Based phones can usually be used in many non-U.S. countries."

    On 9 Dec 2006 10:18:46 -0800, "carcarx" <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >
    >> CDMA2000 is actually on the decline, with Nokia having abandoned it,

    >
    >Here're two of Nokia's new phones for VerizonWireless (cdma2000 EV-DO)
    >
    >http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6315i/0,7747,,00.html
    >http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6305i/0,7747,,00.html
    >
    >There are more cdma2000 phone on the Nokia USA web site.
    >Look for model numbers ending in "i".
    >So, obviously, Nokia hasn't abandoned cdma2000.


    <http://www.mobiledia.com/news/47935.html>

    Nokia and Sanyo announced today that they will not be forming the new
    CDMA device company preliminarily announced in February.

    The Finnish company said on it would pull out of CDMA phone
    manufacturing, which it sees as a shrinking market in the longer
    term. Recent developments may indicate that the CDMA emerging markets
    business is looking more challenging.

    <http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/081106-nokia-to-lay-off-us.html>

    Nokia will cut a few hundred jobs as it shuts down its CDMA handset
    development.

    The company has been developing CDMA (Code-Division Multiple Access)
    products at a facility in San Diego but is now turning to ODMs
    (original device manufacturers) for all its CDMA phones. It expects
    to eliminate about 600 jobs in the process, cutting a work force of
    about 1,150 to roughly 550, said spokesman Keith Nowak. In the
    future, the San Diego unit will work with the ODMs and also help to
    develop Nokia GSM (Global System for Mobile Communications) and UMTS
    (Universal Mobile Telecommunications System) products.

    Apology accepted.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  9. #24
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: TechWeb: "GSM Based phones can usually be used in many non-U.S. countries."

    On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:04:24 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
    <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >> Both T-Mobile and Cingular will unlock phones on request by customers in
    >> good standing.

    >
    >Is this done while-you-wait at a company store, or does the phone need to be
    >sent in?


    The unlock code is given to you.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  10. #25
    Walt Kienzle
    Guest

    Re: TechWeb: "GSM Based phones can usually be used in many non-U.S. countries."

    It is done through e-mail initiated by a phone call to customer service. I
    did this recently for both my Cingular and T-Mobile phones. Cingular
    responded with the code in 4 days, T-Mobile responded in about 20 hours.

    On par with Cingular service, they provided instructions that didn't work
    properly. I had to call them a couple of times before I reached someone
    that stumbled upon the proper procedure to unlock my Siemens phone.

    Walt Kienzle

    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:04:24 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
    > <[email protected]> wrote in
    > <[email protected]>:
    >
    >>> Both T-Mobile and Cingular will unlock phones on request by customers in
    >>> good standing.

    >>
    >>Is this done while-you-wait at a company store, or does the phone need to
    >>be
    >>sent in?






  11. #26
    Ness net
    Guest

    Re: TechWeb: "GSM Based phones can usually be used in many non-U.S. countries."

    Piss off John. Absolutely no apology offered - or is needed.

    Nokia chose to go it's own way and (try to) develop it's own CDMA chips.
    And did a fairly ****ty job of it - thus it's just cutting it's losses now because
    they did a such a completely lousy job at CDMA on their own.

    Certainly, you can spin this, twist reality and believe what you want. Using this
    to further push your absolutely bogus argument (CDMA is in decline) is however
    completely false and frankly asinine. And again shows how delusional you are.

    And, it certainly doesn't change the actual TRUTH.

    Which is that CDMA is actually growing, not declining, as you always falsely
    contend.


    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > On 9 Dec 2006 10:18:46 -0800, "carcarx" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > <[email protected]>:
    >
    >>John Navas wrote:
    >>
    >>> CDMA2000 is actually on the decline, with Nokia having abandoned it,

    >>
    >>Here're two of Nokia's new phones for VerizonWireless (cdma2000 EV-DO)
    >>
    >>http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6315i/0,7747,,00.html
    >>http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6305i/0,7747,,00.html
    >>
    >>There are more cdma2000 phone on the Nokia USA web site.
    >>Look for model numbers ending in "i".
    >>So, obviously, Nokia hasn't abandoned cdma2000.

    >
    > <http://www.mobiledia.com/news/47935.html>
    >
    > Nokia and Sanyo announced today that they will not be forming the new
    > CDMA device company preliminarily announced in February.
    >
    > The Finnish company said on it would pull out of CDMA phone
    > manufacturing, which it sees as a shrinking market in the longer
    > term. Recent developments may indicate that the CDMA emerging markets
    > business is looking more challenging.
    >
    > <http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/081106-nokia-to-lay-off-us.html>
    >
    > Nokia will cut a few hundred jobs as it shuts down its CDMA handset
    > development.
    >
    > The company has been developing CDMA (Code-Division Multiple Access)
    > products at a facility in San Diego but is now turning to ODMs
    > (original device manufacturers) for all its CDMA phones. It expects
    > to eliminate about 600 jobs in the process, cutting a work force of
    > about 1,150 to roughly 550, said spokesman Keith Nowak. In the
    > future, the San Diego unit will work with the ODMs and also help to
    > develop Nokia GSM (Global System for Mobile Communications) and UMTS
    > (Universal Mobile Telecommunications System) products.
    >
    > Apology accepted.
    >
    > --
    > Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    > John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>






  12. #27
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: TechWeb: "GSM Based phones can usually be used in many non-U.S. countries."

    Be more careful when quoting, Walt -- you put me in your header, but
    deleted my remarks, making it look like I posted something I didn't
    write. To respond to Make, follow-up to Mike's posting, not my
    response. Also, don't switch posting styles (top vs bottom) in
    mid-thread -- it's confusing. Thanks.

    On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 02:52:34 GMT, "Walt Kienzle" <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >It is done through e-mail initiated by a phone call to customer service. I
    >did this recently for both my Cingular and T-Mobile phones. Cingular
    >responded with the code in 4 days, T-Mobile responded in about 20 hours.
    >
    >On par with Cingular service, they provided instructions that didn't work
    >properly. I had to call them a couple of times before I reached someone
    >that stumbled upon the proper procedure to unlock my Siemens phone.
    >
    >Walt Kienzle
    >
    >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:04:24 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote in
    >> <[email protected]>:
    >>
    >>>> Both T-Mobile and Cingular will unlock phones on request by customers in
    >>>> good standing.
    >>>
    >>>Is this done while-you-wait at a company store, or does the phone need to
    >>>be
    >>>sent in?

    >


    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  13. #28
    Mori
    Guest

    Re: TechWeb: "GSM Based phones can usually be used in many non-U.S. countries."

    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote message
    news:[email protected]:

    > Also, don't switch posting
    > styles (top vs bottom) in mid-thread -- it's confusing.
    > Thanks.


    And a bit of 'snipping' helps clear up and straighten out replies.




  14. #29
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: TechWeb: "GSM Based phones can usually be used in many non-U.S.countries."

    Ness net wrote:

    > Which is that CDMA is actually growing, not declining, as you always falsely
    > contend.


    It's not just the growth, it's the installed base as well. CDMA is the
    leading technology in the U.S., with well over half the existing users.
    Nokia is writing off a total available market of more than 100 million
    users in the U.S. alone.



  15. #30
    George
    Guest

    Re: TechWeb: "GSM Based phones can usually be used in many non-U.S.countries."

    SMS wrote:
    > Ness net wrote:
    >
    >> Which is that CDMA is actually growing, not declining, as you always
    >> falsely
    >> contend.

    >
    > It's not just the growth, it's the installed base as well. CDMA is the
    > leading technology in the U.S., with well over half the existing users.
    > Nokia is writing off a total available market of more than 100 million
    > users in the U.S. alone.


    For sure, Nokia just couldn't make a good CDMA handset and apparently
    decided to give up trying.



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