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  1. #1
    jeremy
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    AT&T announced that they will expand the ability of their wireless customers
    to make free calls. In addition to getting free m2m, wireless customers
    will be able to call AT&T landlines without incurring usage fees or using
    their wireless minutes.

    AT&T has 100 million landlines.

    Good marketing strategy.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/bu...=1&oref=slogin





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  2. #2

    Re: AT&T/Cingular Customers Call Free to AT&T Landline Customers

    On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:39:38 GMT, "jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >AT&T announced that they will expand the ability of their wireless customers
    >to make free calls. In addition to getting free m2m, wireless customers
    >will be able to call AT&T landlines without incurring usage fees or using
    >their wireless minutes.
    >
    >AT&T has 100 million landlines.


    Maybe 20 meet the requiremenrts.

    >
    >Good marketing strategy.


    Bad marketing, when folks find they dont get that free calling because
    of all the gotchas.

    >
    >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/bu...=1&oref=slogin
    >


    NOW THE REST OF THE STORY.

    Jeremy left out all the gotchas.. It's hardly a simple plan.
    To call a landline free, the landline customer

    1. Must be an AT&T POTS customer, within the regular AT&T service
    area. (SBC/Bellsouth) on the landline.

    2. Must have AT&T unlimited long distance and unlimited local on the
    landline. Far more expensive than say Vonage.

    and....

    3. Wireless customer must have a $59.99 or more AT&T wireless plan.

    4. The press release fails to mention (and thus likely time charges at
    the wireless end) calls from landline to wireless.



  3. #3

    Re: AT&T/Cingular Customers Call Free to AT&T Landline Customers

    On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:12:45 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:39:38 GMT, "jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>AT&T announced that they will expand the ability of their wireless customers
    >>to make free calls. In addition to getting free m2m, wireless customers
    >>will be able to call AT&T landlines without incurring usage fees or using
    >>their wireless minutes.
    >>
    >>AT&T has 100 million landlines.

    >
    >Maybe 20 meet the requiremenrts.
    >
    >>
    >>Good marketing strategy.

    >
    >Bad marketing, when folks find they dont get that free calling because
    >of all the gotchas.
    >
    >>
    >>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/bu...=1&oref=slogin
    >>

    >
    >NOW THE REST OF THE STORY.
    >
    >Jeremy left out all the gotchas.. It's hardly a simple plan.
    > To call a landline free, the landline customer
    >
    >1. Must be an AT&T POTS customer, within the regular AT&T service
    >area. (SBC/Bellsouth) on the landline.
    >
    >2. Must have AT&T unlimited long distance and unlimited local on the
    >landline. Far more expensive than say Vonage.
    >
    >and....
    >
    >3. Wireless customer must have a $59.99 or more AT&T wireless plan.
    >
    >4. The press release fails to mention (and thus likely time charges at
    >the wireless end) calls from landline to wireless.



    More gotchas - in the press release/web site, but not the news story.

    5. You have to get a new Cingular "Unity" plan (likely will decrease
    your plan minutes).

    6. You have to have combined ATT/Cingular billing; likely the $5 month
    credit for combined billing is going away due to the "benefit" of the
    Unity plan.

    http://www.cingular.com/learn/why/un...nformation.jsp

    Read it and weep. Put a pencil to it. For most people, you lose.



  4. #4
    Kurt
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    Re: AT&T/Cingular Customers Call Free to AT&T Landline Customers

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] wrote:

    > On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:12:45 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    > >On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:39:38 GMT, "jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >>AT&T announced that they will expand the ability of their wireless
    > >>customers
    > >>to make free calls. In addition to getting free m2m, wireless customers
    > >>will be able to call AT&T landlines without incurring usage fees or using
    > >>their wireless minutes.
    > >>
    > >>AT&T has 100 million landlines.

    > >
    > >Maybe 20 meet the requiremenrts.
    > >
    > >>
    > >>Good marketing strategy.

    > >
    > >Bad marketing, when folks find they dont get that free calling because
    > >of all the gotchas.
    > >
    > >>
    > >>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/bu...=1&oref=slogin
    > >>

    > >
    > >NOW THE REST OF THE STORY.
    > >
    > >Jeremy left out all the gotchas.. It's hardly a simple plan.
    > > To call a landline free, the landline customer
    > >
    > >1. Must be an AT&T POTS customer, within the regular AT&T service
    > >area. (SBC/Bellsouth) on the landline.
    > >
    > >2. Must have AT&T unlimited long distance and unlimited local on the
    > >landline. Far more expensive than say Vonage.
    > >
    > >and....
    > >
    > >3. Wireless customer must have a $59.99 or more AT&T wireless plan.
    > >
    > >4. The press release fails to mention (and thus likely time charges at
    > >the wireless end) calls from landline to wireless.

    >
    >
    > More gotchas - in the press release/web site, but not the news story.
    >
    > 5. You have to get a new Cingular "Unity" plan (likely will decrease
    > your plan minutes).
    >
    > 6. You have to have combined ATT/Cingular billing; likely the $5 month
    > credit for combined billing is going away due to the "benefit" of the
    > Unity plan.
    >
    > http://www.cingular.com/learn/why/un...nformation.jsp
    >
    > Read it and weep. Put a pencil to it. For most people, you lose.


    Yes, their ads will be a huge headline announcing FREE CALLING WITH ATT,
    a short teaser with a picture of a teen on a phone calling a friend at
    home, then 50 paragraphs of 5 pt. type disclaimers.
    LOL

    --
    To reply by email, remove the word "space"



  5. #5
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: AT&T/Cingular Customers Call Free to AT&T Landline Customers

    jeremy wrote:
    > AT&T announced that they will expand the ability of their wireless customers
    > to make free calls. In addition to getting free m2m, wireless customers
    > will be able to call AT&T landlines without incurring usage fees or using
    > their wireless minutes.
    >
    > AT&T has 100 million landlines.
    >
    > Good marketing strategy.
    >
    > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/bu...=1&oref=slogin


    Of those 100 million landlines, how many have AT&T unlimited long
    distance at at least $40/month, and how many of the cellular lines have
    $59.99/900 minutes. I guess it's aimed at businesses.



  6. #6
    Jer
    Guest

    Re: AT&T/Cingular Customers Call Free to AT&T Landline Customers

    SMS wrote:
    > jeremy wrote:
    >> AT&T announced that they will expand the ability of their wireless
    >> customers to make free calls. In addition to getting free m2m,
    >> wireless customers will be able to call AT&T landlines without
    >> incurring usage fees or using their wireless minutes.
    >>
    >> AT&T has 100 million landlines.
    >>
    >> Good marketing strategy.
    >>
    >> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/bu...=1&oref=slogin

    >
    > Of those 100 million landlines, how many have AT&T unlimited long
    > distance at at least $40/month, and how many of the cellular lines have
    > $59.99/900 minutes. I guess it's aimed at businesses.



    To be sure, it's an aggressive marketing plan intended to nudge clients
    into a package focused on bundled service from at&t. Not that there's
    anything wrong with that.

    --
    jer
    email reply - I am not a 'ten'



  7. #7
    jeremy
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    Re: AT&T/Cingular Customers Call Free to AT&T Landline Customers


    "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > jeremy wrote:
    >> AT&T announced that they will expand the ability of their wireless
    >> customers to make free calls. In addition to getting free m2m, wireless
    >> customers will be able to call AT&T landlines without incurring usage
    >> fees or using their wireless minutes.
    >>
    >> AT&T has 100 million landlines.
    >>
    >> Good marketing strategy.
    >>
    >> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/bu...=1&oref=slogin

    >
    > Of those 100 million landlines, how many have AT&T unlimited long distance
    > at at least $40/month, and how many of the cellular lines have $59.99/900
    > minutes. I guess it's aimed at businesses.


    Still, it sounds like a powerful advertising incentive. If your business
    and/or family are on AT&T landlines, that could give you a lot of free
    calls. Even if the monthly charge is a bit on the high side, there are
    going to be people that will come out ahead.





  8. #8
    decaturtxcowboy
    Guest

    Re: AT&T/Cingular Customers Call Free to AT&T Landline Customers

    jeremy wrote:
    > AT&T announced that they will expand the ability of their wireless customers
    > to make free calls. In addition to getting free m2m, wireless customers
    > will be able to call AT&T landlines without incurring usage fees or using
    > their wireless minutes.


    Combine that with Remote Call Forwarding, and you could effectively get
    free calls to anyone else. Assuming you have the unlimited LD package on
    your home phone.



  9. #9

    Re: AT&T/Cingular Customers Call Free to AT&T Landline Customers

    On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:08:37 -0600, Jer <[email protected]> wrote:

    >SMS wrote:
    >> jeremy wrote:
    >>> AT&T announced that they will expand the ability of their wireless
    >>> customers to make free calls. In addition to getting free m2m,
    >>> wireless customers will be able to call AT&T landlines without
    >>> incurring usage fees or using their wireless minutes.
    >>>
    >>> AT&T has 100 million landlines.
    >>>
    >>> Good marketing strategy.
    >>>
    >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/bu...=1&oref=slogin

    >>
    >> Of those 100 million landlines, how many have AT&T unlimited long
    >> distance at at least $40/month, and how many of the cellular lines have
    >> $59.99/900 minutes. I guess it's aimed at businesses.

    >
    >
    >To be sure, it's an aggressive marketing plan intended to nudge clients
    >into a package focused on bundled service from at&t. Not that there's
    >anything wrong with that.



    It's called deceptive advertising. Making like they're giving you
    something for nothing when in fact you're losing.

    At the very least the monthly discount for combined billing.



  10. #10
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: AT&T/Cingular Customers Call Free to AT&T Landline Customers

    [email protected] wrote:

    > It's called deceptive advertising. Making like they're giving you
    > something for nothing when in fact you're losing.


    AT&T has long been the master at deceptive long distance calling plans.



  11. #11
    Jer
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    Re: AT&T/Cingular Customers Call Free to AT&T Landline Customers

    [email protected] wrote:
    > On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:08:37 -0600, Jer <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> SMS wrote:
    >>> jeremy wrote:
    >>>> AT&T announced that they will expand the ability of their wireless
    >>>> customers to make free calls. In addition to getting free m2m,
    >>>> wireless customers will be able to call AT&T landlines without
    >>>> incurring usage fees or using their wireless minutes.
    >>>>
    >>>> AT&T has 100 million landlines.
    >>>>
    >>>> Good marketing strategy.
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/bu...=1&oref=slogin
    >>> Of those 100 million landlines, how many have AT&T unlimited long
    >>> distance at at least $40/month, and how many of the cellular lines have
    >>> $59.99/900 minutes. I guess it's aimed at businesses.

    >>
    >> To be sure, it's an aggressive marketing plan intended to nudge clients
    >> into a package focused on bundled service from at&t. Not that there's
    >> anything wrong with that.

    >
    >
    > It's called deceptive advertising. Making like they're giving you
    > something for nothing when in fact you're losing.
    >
    > At the very least the monthly discount for combined billing.



    Well... uhhhh... yeah... all advertising is either a half-truth or a
    half-lie, depending on whether or not the audience is in the marketing
    business. I'm not.

    --
    jer
    email reply - I am not a 'ten'



  12. #12
    jeremy
    Guest

    Re: AT&T/Cingular Customers Call Free to AT&T Landline Customers


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:08:37 -0600, Jer <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>SMS wrote:
    >>> jeremy wrote:
    >>>> AT&T announced that they will expand the ability of their wireless
    >>>> customers to make free calls. In addition to getting free m2m,
    >>>> wireless customers will be able to call AT&T landlines without
    >>>> incurring usage fees or using their wireless minutes.
    >>>>
    >>>> AT&T has 100 million landlines.
    >>>>
    >>>> Good marketing strategy.
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/bu...=1&oref=slogin
    >>>
    >>> Of those 100 million landlines, how many have AT&T unlimited long
    >>> distance at at least $40/month, and how many of the cellular lines have
    >>> $59.99/900 minutes. I guess it's aimed at businesses.

    >>
    >>
    >>To be sure, it's an aggressive marketing plan intended to nudge clients
    >>into a package focused on bundled service from at&t. Not that there's
    >>anything wrong with that.

    >
    >
    > It's called deceptive advertising. Making like they're giving you
    > something for nothing when in fact you're losing.
    >
    > At the very least the monthly discount for combined billing.



    I agree that this will not be beneficial to everybody, but . . .

    Those customers that meet the requirements will see their total number of
    free calling numbers increase by a factor of 4 (I think that Cingular had
    about 25 million m2m, and they now are adding 100m landlines).

    I hope that my own carrier, Sprint, offers something similar to its
    customers.

    With all the stagnation in innovative discount plans lately, it is good to
    see "something" new.

    I am quite happy with Sprint. $30/month per line, 7 PM N/W, free roaming,
    even local calls will hop onto Verizon if there is no Sprint tower,
    unlimited M2M (I use that a lot), Free long distance. C'mon, where can I go
    and get a deal that is much better than that? And, unlike my experience
    with Cingular, after they took control of my ATTWS service, my calls go
    through on the first try, and I rarely get a dropped call.

    All I want to do is to be able to make and receive calls. No need for
    anything else. Just have my phone connect when I need it. I was happier
    with my old Motorola handset, back in the analog days, than I was with
    Cingular. My daughter, on the other hand, uses them and loves them. Go
    figure.





  13. #13
    3Gfreak
    Guest

    Re: AT&T/Cingular Customers Call Free to AT&T Landline Customers

    VONAGE is VOIP! Not landline service and there are a few "Must Have's"
    to get this package, but it isn't much different than having a
    landline, cellphone etc. The benefits are far greater and much more
    cost effective in the long run.


    3GFreak
    www.mobilevertigo.com

    [email protected] wrote:
    > On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:39:38 GMT, "jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >AT&T announced that they will expand the ability of their wireless customers
    > >to make free calls. In addition to getting free m2m, wireless customers
    > >will be able to call AT&T landlines without incurring usage fees or using
    > >their wireless minutes.
    > >
    > >AT&T has 100 million landlines.

    >
    > Maybe 20 meet the requiremenrts.
    >
    > >
    > >Good marketing strategy.

    >
    > Bad marketing, when folks find they dont get that free calling because
    > of all the gotchas.
    >
    > >
    > >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/bu...=1&oref=slogin
    > >

    >
    > NOW THE REST OF THE STORY.
    >
    > Jeremy left out all the gotchas.. It's hardly a simple plan.
    > To call a landline free, the landline customer
    >
    > 1. Must be an AT&T POTS customer, within the regular AT&T service
    > area. (SBC/Bellsouth) on the landline.
    >
    > 2. Must have AT&T unlimited long distance and unlimited local on the
    > landline. Far more expensive than say Vonage.
    >
    > and....
    >
    > 3. Wireless customer must have a $59.99 or more AT&T wireless plan.
    >
    > 4. The press release fails to mention (and thus likely time charges at
    > the wireless end) calls from landline to wireless.





  14. #14
    jeremy
    Guest

    Re: AT&T/Cingular Customers Call Free to AT&T Landline Customers


    "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "3Gfreak" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> VONAGE is VOIP! Not landline service and there are a few "Must Have's"
    >> to get this package, but it isn't much different than having a
    >> landline, cellphone etc. The benefits are far greater and much more
    >> cost effective in the long run.

    >
    > Not sure what your post had to do with the article you actually replied
    > to...
    >
    > Anyway, vonage is overpriced. WAY overpriced. Do your research.
    >


    Published reports have noted that 25% of Vonage's customers leave each year.
    Vonage has to find replacements for 25% of their customer base annually,
    just to stay in place. If memory serves me correctly, Vonage has not turned
    a profit yet.





  15. #15
    Thurman
    Guest

    Re: AT&T/Cingular Customers Call Free to AT&T Landline Customers


    "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > Anyway, vonage is overpriced. WAY overpriced. Do your research.


    After SWB/SBC/ATT charged me 98 cents a minute for Canada calls, I went
    Vonage where Canada is local.

    Charter called to offer 32 cents/min for calls to Costa Rica vs ATT's 34
    cents; Vonage is 2 (yep, two). I call every week now, not every quarter.






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