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  1. #16

    Re: Cingular 8525 phone

    On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:20:13 -0500, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:

    >[email protected] wrote in
    >news:[email protected]:
    >
    >
    >>
    >> Still with childish insults instead of any information to the
    >> contrary.
    >>

    >
    >Nothing to counter- the opinion of an average user (which is what you
    >precious link was) is hardly authoritative, as you claim it is.



    And why do you not let other readers decide for themselves and NOT cut
    out the link. And maybe read the WHOLE thread, rather than one post
    (as you apparently did).

    http://forums.cingular.com/cng/board...=206810#M26984


    Afraid that it contradicts your anti-Cincular rantings?



    See More: Cingular 8525 phone




  2. #17

    Re: Cingular 8525 phone

    On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:24:54 -0500, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:

    >John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
    >news[email protected]:
    >
    >> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:00:03 GMT, [email protected] wrote in
    >> <[email protected]>:
    >>
    >>>I always know when I'm accurate with my comments cause the other side
    >>>instead of coming up with a URL to refute me resorts to childish
    >>>insults. ...

    >>
    >> That is indeed strong evidence.

    >
    >The only thing it is strong revidence of (where you are both concerned) is
    >your inabiility to engage in a dialogue, Throw in the lies and attempts to
    >mislead that both of you are guilty of and you have a recipe for people
    >thinking very unhighly of you. The only reason some of respond is to
    >prevent the casual reader of these groups from thinking that your opinions
    >and fables are actually fact.
    >
    >> Funny how those doing the insults don't
    >> see how they only serve to make themselves look bad.
    >>

    >
    >Now that's funny coming from you.



    I'm not the one thowing childish insults.



  3. #18

    Re: Cingular 8525 phone

    On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:21:16 -0400, "Don Udel \(ETC\)"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    ><[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:26:54 -0400, "Don Udel \(ETC\)"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>>"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>> At 12 Apr 2007 11:13:50 -0400 Don Udel (ETC) wrote:
    >>>>> I have the 8125 version of the phone. It's a great phone. Use it at
    >>>>> your
    >>>>> own risk though, because the iPhone will be major step down in
    >>>>> functionality
    >>>>> (IMHO).
    >>>>
    >>>> That won't matter to the OP- he's an Apple man through and through. If
    >>>> you cut him, he bleeds cider instead of blood! ;-)
    >>>>
    >>>> I'll second your entire post, Don. I was going to write a similar one,
    >>>> but
    >>>> you saved me the trouble! I have the T-Mobile MDA (T-Mo's version of
    >>>> the
    >>>> 8125, which are both HTC "Wizards.") Since T-Mo hasn't gone 3G yet,
    >>>> they
    >>>> don't offer a version of the 8525 (aka the HTC Tytn.)
    >>>>
    >>>> If one doesn't mind a few small bugs, "leaked" pre-release versions of
    >>>> WM6 are all over the net for these HTC devices. (Check out xda-
    >>>> developers.com for info.) I've been using the "X-plore 1.1" ROM for a
    >>>> few days, and it's good- certainly the least buggy WM6 version of the 4
    >>>> or 5 I've tried. (Probably no more buggy than the "real" WM5 T-Mo ROM
    >>>> that came with my device!)
    >>>>
    >>>> WM6 is certainly "prettier," FINALLY adds HTML e-mail to the Messaging
    >>>> app,
    >>>>
    >>>> and uses the new internet sharing app (instead of "Modem Link") that
    >>>> makes using the device as a GPRS modem much easier- pretty much plug-n-
    >>>> play. Memory handling seems a little better- I see less memory
    >>>> "leaking"
    >>>> from available memory throughout the day.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>Todd,
    >>>
    >>>I realize the OP is an apple bigot ;-) but the truth is (IMHO), that the
    >>>iPhone is a step down in functionality from the 8x25. Cingular did a good
    >>>thing hooking up with the HTC products. I'll second xda-developers.com!
    >>>They were one of the sites I was thinking of when I mentioned there is
    >>>lots
    >>>of software available and registry entries that will make the 8x25 sing
    >>>and
    >>>dance the way YOU want it to.
    >>>
    >>>I'm using WM6 (Crossbow) for another application development project.. I
    >>>like the way it handles memory and multi tasking over WM5. The app set it
    >>>comes with is also an improvment over WM5 (but then WM5 was an improvement
    >>>over WM4!).
    >>>
    >>>The OP is welcome to his iPhone when it comes out. You couldn't get me to
    >>>make that switch. He's probably better off never getting a taste of the
    >>>8x25 phones and getting his version 1.0 iPhone.
    >>>
    >>>Don
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> The WM5 on the 8525 might as well be Vista Mobile, its such a piece of
    >> Bloatware, as opposed to a user friendly Palm OS or IPhone OS.
    >>
    >> It'll be on Ebay tomorrow, as soon as Cingular provides the SIM it was
    >> supposed to come with.
    >>
    >> Even though it runs fine on the $19.99 SmartPhone Connect Plan,
    >> Cingular CSRs are told to sell you the $39.99 PDA Connect Unlimited,
    >> and lie that the cheaper plan wont handle true html.

    >
    >Why bother to ask if you had already made up you mind? Exactly where is
    >Palm OS headed? Even Treo has seen the light. For integrating with a
    >Windows environment, WM beats Palm hands down. iPhone OS, who knows?
    >iPhone extensibility? I'll believe it when I see it.
    >
    >The $19.99 plan works fine. I got signed up at the local Cingular store
    >across the road. No one pushed a $39.99 plan. I think even a casual review
    >of most Cingular related newsgroups will inform any interested party that
    >the $19.99 plan works just fine.
    >
    >Don
    >


    http://forums.cingular.com/cng/board...=206810#M26984


    Exactly, just that you have to go through a PROXY with the cheaper
    plan, and you'd get better throughput connecting directly to the
    Internet whioch requires the $39.99 PDA Connect Unlimted Plan.

    Indeed if you go online at Cingular.com, log in to "MY Account" and
    configure it to show the 8525 as your phone, and then click on "Add
    Services", the ONLY pure data plan shown is the $19.99 SmartPhone
    Connect plan. Lots of plans showing a finite number of MediaNet
    megabytes with a finite or unlimited number of TXT Messages.

    But with a 8525 why use txt message when you can use email,
    and its free to SEND a txt message.

    You ask 4 different CSRs which data plan you can have or should have
    with the 8525, and you'd get 5 different answers. Yesterday one
    started reading me a script about buying Hardware and their
    running a credit check.




  4. #19
    Scott
    Guest

    Re: Cingular 8525 phone

    [email protected] wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:20:13 -0500, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>[email protected] wrote in
    >>news:[email protected]:
    >>
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Still with childish insults instead of any information to the
    >>> contrary.
    >>>

    >>
    >>Nothing to counter- the opinion of an average user (which is what you
    >>precious link was) is hardly authoritative, as you claim it is.

    >
    >
    > And why do you not let other readers decide for themselves and NOT cut
    > out the link. And maybe read the WHOLE thread, rather than one post
    > (as you apparently did).


    I read the whole thing- nothing but consumer opinions. Are you really as
    stupid as you act? I cut the link (and other portions of the post because
    they did not pertain to my response.


    >
    > Afraid that it contradicts your anti-Cincular rantings?
    >


    What anti-Cingular rantings? My rants are not against Cingular- they are
    against your fabrications and Navas' lack of a clue.

    Quit being so delusional and childish.



  5. #20
    Scott
    Guest

    Re: Cingular 8525 phone

    [email protected] wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:24:54 -0500, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
    >>news[email protected]:
    >>
    >>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:00:03 GMT, [email protected] wrote
    >>> in <[email protected]>:
    >>>
    >>>>I always know when I'm accurate with my comments cause the other
    >>>>side instead of coming up with a URL to refute me resorts to
    >>>>childish insults. ...
    >>>
    >>> That is indeed strong evidence.

    >>
    >>The only thing it is strong revidence of (where you are both
    >>concerned) is your inabiility to engage in a dialogue, Throw in the
    >>lies and attempts to mislead that both of you are guilty of and you
    >>have a recipe for people thinking very unhighly of you. The only
    >>reason some of respond is to prevent the casual reader of these groups
    >>from thinking that your opinions and fables are actually fact.
    >>
    >>> Funny how those doing the insults don't
    >>> see how they only serve to make themselves look bad.
    >>>

    >>
    >>Now that's funny coming from you.

    >
    >
    > I'm not the one thowing childish insults.
    >


    No- you are the one making things up.



  6. #21
    Thurman
    Guest

    Re: Cingular 8525 phone


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I'm about to come into a Cingular 8525 phone,
    > and have a decision to make.
    >
    > 1. Use it, then sell it on ebay when iPhone comes out in ~ 2 months.
    > ($350 ?)
    >
    > 2. Sell it new in Box for top dollar on ebay. ($425 ?)
    >
    >
    > Anyone with experience with this "SmartPhone " ?


    It isn't a Smartphone, it's a Cellular Pocket PC; now known as a Windows
    Mobile 5 (6) Professional. basic test is a touch screen. Smartphones don't
    have touch screens.

    The capabilities far exceed the ability of most cell phone users. I've had
    mine five months can only find 'nits' to complain about. If you are a power
    user, you have a wonderful learning curve ahead. If not, enjoy the iPhone
    for what appears to be 3 hours at a time. ;-o

    > I do know one needs to ask for the SmartPhone Connect Plan (at $19.99
    > /month); rather than be sold a more expensive data plan.


    I got unlimited Internet for the 8525 plus tethering for $39/mon which I
    understand has been increased.

    On today's website PDA connect is $45.





  7. #22
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Cingular 8525 phone

    On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:02:31 GMT, [email protected] wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:24:16 GMT, John Navas
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:00:03 GMT, [email protected] wrote in
    >><[email protected]>:
    >>
    >>>I always know when I'm accurate with my comments cause the other side
    >>>instead of coming up with a URL to refute me resorts to childish
    >>>insults. ...

    >>
    >>That is indeed strong evidence. Funny how those doing the insults don't
    >>see how they only serve to make themselves look bad.

    >
    >Exactly, except often Navas is guilty of same when he is proven wrong,
    >as in integrating the ATTWS network into Cingular which he had told us
    >would be easy and done by the end of 2006, but now tells us its not
    >done yet.


    Not true. And funny how you fail to post any proof, the very thing you
    accuse Scott of doing.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  8. #23
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Cingular 8525 phone

    On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:05:27 GMT, [email protected] wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:22:51 GMT, John Navas
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:31:01 -0500, [email protected] wrote in
    >><[email protected]>:
    >>
    >>>http://forums.cingular.com/cng/board...=206810#M26984

    >>
    >>Unfortunately, there's a good deal of misinformation there; e.g., the
    >>claim you can't do streaming data through MEdia wap.cingular -- I'm
    >>streaming both Internet radio and video.

    >
    >If you continue on you find there is a difference between the MediaNet
    >or SmartPhone Connect (which go through a Cingular Proxy) and the more
    >expensive PDA Connect which allows direct Internet Connection.


    I'm streaming on MEdia.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  9. #24
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Cingular 8525 phone

    On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:15:23 GMT, [email protected] wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:21:16 -0400, "Don Udel \(ETC\)"
    ><[email protected]> wrote:


    >>The $19.99 plan works fine. I got signed up at the local Cingular store
    >>across the road. No one pushed a $39.99 plan. I think even a casual review
    >>of most Cingular related newsgroups will inform any interested party that
    >>the $19.99 plan works just fine.


    >Exactly, just that you have to go through a PROXY with the cheaper
    >plan, and you'd get better throughput connecting directly to the
    >Internet whioch requires the $39.99 PDA Connect Unlimted Plan.


    The only difference in speed comes for the optional data compression on
    Data (PDA/Laptop) Connect. Speed is otherwise the same.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



  10. #25

    Re: Cingular 8525 phone

    On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:28:38 -0700, Kurt <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Don Udel \(ETC\)" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Why bother to ask if you had already made up you mind? Exactly where is
    >> Palm OS headed? Even Treo has seen the light. For integrating with a
    >> Windows environment, WM beats Palm hands down. iPhone OS, who knows?
    >> iPhone extensibility? I'll believe it when I see it.

    >
    >But many of us are happy not integrating with Windows, or having
    >anything to do with it.


    Apple has learned that when anyone can sell software for your phone,
    some may in a rush to market fail to properlyor completely follow
    programming guidelines, and deliver a product than can cause other
    phone functions to mis-perform. Treo's and Windows Mobile are all too
    likely to Lock Up from this effect.

    You lose extensibility, you gain stability. Pick your poison.



  11. #26
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Cingular 8525 phone

    At 14 Apr 2007 11:15:26 +0000 [email protected] wrote:

    > some may in a rush to market fail to properlyor completely follow
    > programming guidelines, and deliver a product than can cause other
    > phone functions to mis-perform. Treo's and Windows Mobile are all too
    > likely to Lock Up from this effect.
    >
    > You lose extensibility, you gain stability. Pick your poison.


    But that's the point, isn't it? With WinMobile, Palm, or Symbian I CAN
    pick my poison, or choose not to- I can weigh the benefits of added
    functionality vs. the "poison" of potential instabilitity. With iPhone,
    I WON'T get a bite at the poison apple...

    I'm posting this from a mildly unstable app right now. It's a freeware
    mail app with an excellent newsreader that very occasionally locks my
    phone up as tight as the proverbial drum, but for price, features and
    flexibility, (HTML e-mail, newsreader and RSS feed support) I'm much
    happier with QMail than without it.





  12. #27
    3Gfreak
    Guest

    Re: Cingular 8525 phone

    On Apr 12, 8:33 am, [email protected] wrote:
    > I'm about to come into a Cingular 8525 phone,
    > and have a decision to make.
    >
    > 1. Use it, then sell it on ebay when iPhone comes out in ~ 2 months.
    > ($350 ?)
    >
    > 2. Sell it new in Box for top dollar on ebay. ($425 ?)
    >
    > Anyone with experience with this "SmartPhone " ?
    >
    > I do know one needs to ask for the SmartPhone Connect Plan (at $19.99
    > /month); rather than be sold a more expensive data plan.


    The 8525 isa buggy phone and has been plagued by screen issues since
    launch. I don't know if anyone would even buy it except for spare
    parts - course you could pawn it off on someone who doesn't have a
    clue about the history of the phone.

    3GFreak
    www.mobilevertigo.com




  13. #28
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Cingular 8525 phone

    On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:15:26 GMT, [email protected] wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >Apple has learned that when anyone can sell software for your phone,
    >some may in a rush to market fail to properlyor completely follow
    >programming guidelines, and deliver a product than can cause other
    >phone functions to mis-perform. Treo's and Windows Mobile are all too
    >likely to Lock Up from this effect.
    >
    >You lose extensibility, you gain stability. Pick your poison.


    Not necessarily. Java was designed from the ground up to avoid that
    problem, part of why many phones feature Java (J2ME) support. So it's
    more an excuse for lock-in than a valid reason. Much like not
    supporting other portable players in iTunes.

    --
    Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
    John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>



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