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  1. #1
    John Navas
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    <http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/05/15/MNGMOPR2HE1.DTL>

    Not so many years ago, the cell phone was considered a luxury item
    while the landline was standard in every household.

    My, how times have changed.

    Today, the cell phone is regarded as a necessity by a growing number
    of Americans -- especially the young and the poor -- while the
    residential phone is becoming optional.

    The trend, according to a new survey by the Centers for Disease
    Control and Prevention, is not limited to just one or two demographic
    groups but is slowly expanding to include all age and income groups.

    According to the survey of 13,056 households across the nation, 29.1
    percent of people ages 25 to 29 and 25.2 percent of the respondents
    ages 18 to 24 have abandoned residential phones and rely solely on
    cell phones.

    [MORE]

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  2. #2
    Scott
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    Re: NEWS: More Americans go for cell phones, drop landlines

    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > <http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...15/MNGMOPR2HE1
    > .DTL>
    >
    > Not so many years ago, the cell phone was considered a luxury item
    > while the landline was standard in every household.
    >
    > My, how times have changed.
    >
    > Today, the cell phone is regarded as a necessity by a growing
    > number of Americans -- especially the young and the poor -- while
    > the residential phone is becoming optional.
    >
    > The trend, according to a new survey by the Centers for Disease
    > Control and Prevention, is not limited to just one or two
    > demographic groups but is slowly expanding to include all age and
    > income groups.
    >
    > According to the survey of 13,056 households across the nation,
    > 29.1 percent of people ages 25 to 29 and 25.2 percent of the
    > respondents ages 18 to 24 have abandoned residential phones and
    > rely solely on cell phones.
    >
    > [MORE]
    >




    A survey by the CDC regarding phones? Nothing like getting an expert
    opinion (not).

    13,056 household polled are supposed to represent a total population of
    almost 302 million people? Doesn't such a small sample hint at inaccurate
    result, Johhny?





  3. #3
    Todd H.
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    Re: NEWS: More Americans go for cell phones, drop landlines

    John Navas <[email protected]> writes:

    > <http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/05/15/MNGMOPR2HE1.DTL>
    >
    > Not so many years ago, the cell phone was considered a luxury item
    > while the landline was standard in every household.
    >
    > My, how times have changed.


    Indeed. But it's because, "my how prices have dropped, and that free
    long distance stuff is pretty nice."


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    http://toddh.net/



  4. #4
    sujay
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    Re: NEWS: More Americans go for cell phones, drop landlines

    On May 16, 10:27 am, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote:
    > John Navas <[email protected]> writes:
    > > <http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/05/15/MNGMOPR2HE...>

    >
    > > Not so many years ago, the cell phone was considered a luxury item
    > > while the landline was standard in every household.

    >
    > > My, how times have changed.

    >
    > Indeed. But it's because, "my how prices have dropped, and that free
    > long distance stuff is pretty nice."
    >
    > --
    > Todd H. http://toddh.net/


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    in USA..

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  5. #5
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
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    Re: NEWS: More Americans go for cell phones, drop landlines

    In alt.cellular.verizon SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Scott wrote:
    >
    >> A survey by the CDC regarding phones? Nothing like getting an expert
    >> opinion (not).
    >>
    >> 13,056 household polled are supposed to represent a total population of
    >> almost 302 million people? Doesn't such a small sample hint at inaccurate
    >> result, Johhny?

    >
    > LOL, actually the number of U.S. households is about 110 million, so
    > it's really 13,000 out of 110,000. Let's see, CR surveyed 43,000 out of
    > about 200 million. So the CR survey has a much lower margin of error.
    >
    > What was the reason that the CDC undertook such a survey?
    >


    It seems to me that disease is easily and likely transfered by sharing
    handsets. I know that in years past when all landlines were wired [no
    wireless phones in homes], it was common to wipe the handset when a member of
    the household was sick.

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  6. #6
    John Navas
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    Re: NEWS: More Americans go for cell phones, drop landlines

    On Tue, 15 May 2007 21:50:03 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >Scott wrote:
    >
    >> A survey by the CDC regarding phones? Nothing like getting an expert
    >> opinion (not).
    >>
    >> 13,056 household polled are supposed to represent a total population of
    >> almost 302 million people? Doesn't such a small sample hint at inaccurate
    >> result, Johhny?

    >
    >LOL, actually the number of U.S. households is about 110 million, so
    >it's really 13,000 out of 110,000. Let's see, CR surveyed 43,000 out of
    >about 200 million. So the CR survey has a much lower margin of error.


    Unfortunately, statistics doesn't work that way -- it's not just a
    matter of sample size. CR suffers from being a self-selected sample of
    a non-representative universe (as I've repeatedly explained).

    --
    Best regards, MOTOROLA WIKI:
    John Navas <http://cell.wikia.com/wiki/Motorola>



  7. #7
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: More Americans go for cell phones, drop landlines

    On 15 May 2007 23:12:00 -0700, sujay <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >On May 16, 10:27 am, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote:
    >> John Navas <[email protected]> writes:
    >> > <http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/05/15/MNGMOPR2HE...>

    >>
    >> > Not so many years ago, the cell phone was considered a luxury item
    >> > while the landline was standard in every household.

    >>
    >> > My, how times have changed.

    >>
    >> Indeed. But it's because, "my how prices have dropped, and that free
    >> long distance stuff is pretty nice."


    >hey that result is amazing. we wonder how the mobile business shape up
    >in USA..
    >
    >here is now tool for Mobile world
    >Would you like to receive all your emails from different accounts in
    >the same place, your mobile phone?
    >[SNIP rest of spam]


    Any excuse to spam?

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    John Navas <http://cell.wikia.com/wiki/Motorola>



  8. #8
    Larry
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    Re: NEWS: More Americans go for cell phones, drop landlines

    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > rely solely on
    > cell phones.
    >


    Oh, I wouldn't put it quite THAT way.....

    Over 100,000,000 use (gasp) Skype! Something less use Vonage and the
    other VoIP providers....(c;

    Here, check out something new:
    http://www.mobivox.com/
    Skype for your cellphone...and CHEAP international LD for your cellphone.
    Server based - no computer necessary - access numbers in lots of
    countries.

    I have a friend that does business in Europe. He calls Mobivox from his
    hotel to its local number in whatever country he's in, then calls home
    through Mobivox's FREE Skype connection back to Californicate. Pays only
    for local phone call...only if he's in his hotel, though. Works neat,
    VOICE controlled. Most western countries to phones is only 1.9USc/min

    Larry
    --
    Grade School Physics Factoid:
    A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
    skilled demolition.



  9. #9
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: More Americans go for cell phones, drop landlines

    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
    news[email protected]:

    > Any excuse to spam?
    >
    >


    If he keeps spamming, I'll give his homepage to some boys I know at a major
    university mainframe with some really serious unused bandwidth. That
    damned thing can download around 12M webpages per second!....including his!

    Larry
    --
    Grade School Physics Factoid:
    A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
    skilled demolition.



  10. #10
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: NEWS: More Americans go for cell phones, drop landlines

    At 16 May 2007 23:46:15 +0000 Larry wrote:

    > Oh, I wouldn't put it quite THAT way.....
    >
    > Over 100,000,000 use (gasp) Skype!


    No, 100,000,000 have (free) Skype accounts. I personally am three of
    them (when I first signed up in the "free calls in 2006" era I didn't
    know you could run one account simultaneously on multiple computers, so I
    created seperate accounts for my PC, my laptop and my PPC.)

    Today, the three accounts are still existant and I've used Skype for
    maybe one phone call this calendar year.

    > Something less use Vonage and the
    > other VoIP providers....(c;

    I'm not knocking Skype- I'm just saying their number of users claims are
    inflated because many people will create a "free" account of ANY service
    then rarely, if ever use it. Kind of how a free newspaper can claim
    "millions of readers" when the vast majority of their papers are probably
    used for birdcage/catbox liners and fire starters! ;-)


    >
    > Here, check out something new:
    > http://www.mobivox.com/
    > Skype for your cellphone...and CHEAP international LD for your cellphone.


    > Server based - no computer necessary - access numbers in lots of
    > countries.



    Thanks for the tip- I did check it out when you posted it a few days ago,
    but was disappointed that while it lets you call pre-defined Skype
    contacts, it doesn't let you direct-dial via Skype. (For example, I can
    call "Larry" the Skype contact, but not +12125551212.)

    Please correct me if I'm wrong about that- their website was about as
    clear as the proverbial mud.

    > I have a friend that does business in Europe. He calls Mobivox from

    his
    > hotel to its local number in whatever country he's in, then calls home
    > through Mobivox's FREE Skype connection back to Californicate. Pays

    only
    > for local phone call...only if he's in his hotel, though. Works neat,
    > VOICE controlled. Most western countries to phones is only 1.9USc/min


    Which is decent for international calls- but I was thinking it would work
    great for the Alltel Circle/T-Mo myFaves crowd if you could make the
    Mobivox local number a Circle/Fave number, then call it for "free" to
    then bridge to anyone in the USA/Canada via the $30/year Skype Out
    unlimited, thereby making all of your outgoing calls without using billed
    cellular minutes. It seems that's not possible, but you could certainly
    use it to leverage your 10th "circle" number to connect to any of an
    unlimited number of Skype contacts. That'd give you a pretty big
    "circle!"

    For international calls, however, I still use Voicestick's "i2Bridge"
    service- it kind of works like Mobivox but without the third party
    company involvement. If dial my own Voicestick VoIP number from my cell,
    it recognizes me by CID and gives me a dial tone to call internationally
    for per-minute rates slightly better than Skype's and with no eBay-
    enriching "connection fees."

    But thanks again for the Mobivox tip- if I find T-Mo's limit of five
    "Faves" too limiting I now know how to fix it! ;-)





  11. #11
    Larry
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    Re: NEWS: More Americans go for cell phones, drop landlines

    The Ghost of General Lee <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > They were referring to US households, so why even bring up that
    > alleged 100 million figure?
    >
    >


    Because many of us are using Skype for our HOUSE phone, because it's SO
    MUCH CHEAPER than both cellular and POTS... The Netgear SPH101 is my
    HOUSE phone of choice, now....straight into my wireless router.....or
    yours...(c;

    I can talk to Greenville, SC or Saskatchewan all DAY, EVERY DAY for
    $30/YEAR! NOONE beats Skype. Saskatchewan, or Tokyo, from my cellphone
    on Mobivox is 1.9c/min + airtime, if it's daytime. That's also hard to
    beat. It even beats Skype to Tokyo.

    For a house phone, a Skype phone is a fantastic deal in the USA/Canada.

    Larry
    --
    Grade School Physics Factoid:
    A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without
    skilled demolition.



  12. #12
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: More Americans go for cell phones, drop landlines

    Todd Allcock wrote:
    > At 16 May 2007 23:46:15 +0000 Larry wrote:
    >
    >> Oh, I wouldn't put it quite THAT way.....
    >>
    >> Over 100,000,000 use (gasp) Skype!

    >
    > No, 100,000,000 have (free) Skype accounts. I personally am three of
    > them (when I first signed up in the "free calls in 2006" era I didn't
    > know you could run one account simultaneously on multiple computers, so I
    > created seperate accounts for my PC, my laptop and my PPC.)
    >
    > Today, the three accounts are still existant and I've used Skype for
    > maybe one phone call this calendar year.


    Yeah, if Skype reported their customer count in 2007, after the free
    deal ended, it'd be a lot less. I made a few calls on the free account
    last year.

    I guess if you have broadband cable internet then Skype is a pretty good
    deal at $68/year for incoming and outgoing. For $30 you can buy a box
    that hooks your home phone wiring to a computer. Does anyone make a box
    that connects your home phone wiring directly to the cable, with some
    sort of embedded controller rather than a PC?

    If you have DSL, then Skype is probably not such a great deal as there
    is almost no difference in cost between naked DSL and DSL plus landline
    service. It'd be hard to spend $30/year on long distance when most long
    distance calling is done on cell phones at no extra cost, or from a
    landline at about 2¢ per minute.

    Vonage is history, so few people would pay such a high monthly rate when
    Skype is so much less.



  13. #13
    DTC
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: More Americans go for cell phones, drop landlines

    SMS wrote:
    > If you have DSL, then Skype is probably not such a great deal as there
    > is almost no difference in cost between naked DSL and DSL plus landline
    > service. It'd be hard to spend $30/year on long distance when most long
    > distance calling is done on cell phones at no extra cost, or from a
    > landline at about 2¢ per minute.
    >
    > Vonage is history, so few people would pay such a high monthly rate when
    > Skype is so much less.


    I agree. With the aggressive low cost long distance plans from the
    telephone companies - something like $10 to $20 a month for UNLIMITED long
    distance calls with much better quality, its going to be hard on the VoIP
    providers to compete. I suppose they'll still find a market with
    international calling.

    I was about to sell a key-system phone system with sixteen telco phone
    lines, but the guy wanted to go with a VoIP system and use the internet to
    make all of his calls for free and not have to pay the telco for all of the
    local dial tones. I'm about to explain to him that he still has to pay for
    internet telephony provider accounts that will cost him almost $40 a month
    per account - TWICE the cost of individual phone lines and not as good of
    quality.



  14. #14
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: NEWS: More Americans go for cell phones, drop landlines

    DTC wrote:

    >> Vonage is history, so few people would pay such a high monthly rate
    >> when Skype is so much less.

    >
    > I agree. With the aggressive low cost long distance plans from the
    > telephone companies - something like $10 to $20 a month for UNLIMITED
    > long distance calls with much better quality, its going to be hard on
    > the VoIP providers to compete. I suppose they'll still find a market
    > with international calling.


    It's not just the unlimited long distance plans, people are using their
    off-peak and mobile to mobile cell phone minutes for long distance. I
    have OneSuite set up on my home phone, and for when I travel outside the
    country on my own dime, and I have trouble using up the $10/six month
    minimum unless for some reason I'm using a lot of pay phones.

    I don't care about the enhanced services. Caller ID is pretty worthless
    in California, where more than half the landlines have Caller ID
    blocking enabled all the time. Call waiting was nice before everyone
    figured out that it's easier just to call the cell if the land line is busy.



  15. #15
    Kurt
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    Re: NEWS: More Americans go for cell phones, drop landlines

    In article <[email protected]>,
    SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

    > DTC wrote:
    >
    > >> Vonage is history, so few people would pay such a high monthly rate
    > >> when Skype is so much less.

    > >
    > > I agree. With the aggressive low cost long distance plans from the
    > > telephone companies - something like $10 to $20 a month for UNLIMITED
    > > long distance calls with much better quality, its going to be hard on
    > > the VoIP providers to compete. I suppose they'll still find a market
    > > with international calling.

    >
    > It's not just the unlimited long distance plans, people are using their
    > off-peak and mobile to mobile cell phone minutes for long distance. I
    > have OneSuite set up on my home phone, and for when I travel outside the
    > country on my own dime, and I have trouble using up the $10/six month
    > minimum unless for some reason I'm using a lot of pay phones.
    >
    > I don't care about the enhanced services. Caller ID is pretty worthless
    > in California, where more than half the landlines have Caller ID
    > blocking enabled all the time. Call waiting was nice before everyone
    > figured out that it's easier just to call the cell if the land line is busy.


    I've had all my phones Caller ID blocked since they foisted that
    intrusive concept on us.
    I don't return calls to people who have their lines blocked for
    unidentifiable callers (me), either.

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