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  1. #1
    Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa
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    Why is the iphone going to be offered by Cingular only? I understand that
    Verizon is the number-one cell phone service provider both for superb
    coverage and high-speed data. Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular? If I
    were Steve Jobs, I would want to release my iphone an the best network and
    according to all reviews, that is undeniably Verizon.






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  2. #2
    Kevin
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    Re: Why iPhone for Cingular Only?


    "Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa" <Moustaffa@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote in message
    news:Hqlfi.470643$115.448101@newsfe10.phx...
    > Why is the iphone going to be offered by Cingular only? I understand that
    > Verizon is the number-one cell phone service provider both for superb
    > coverage and high-speed data. Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular? If I
    > were Steve Jobs, I would want to release my iphone an the best network and
    > according to all reviews, that is undeniably Verizon.


    If I were Steve Jobs, I would go with the company that offered me the most
    money. And he did.





  3. #3
    Kevin Weaver
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    Re: Why iPhone for Cingular Only?

    The rumor I've heard is that went to verizon 1st.

    But you know how verizon cripples there phones and there would be no way
    apple could sell these under verizon.

    What ever is down the road for verizon that is going to compare to the
    iphone is anyone's guess. But with all the things verizon does not allow,
    what good is it?
    "Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa" <Moustaffa@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote in message
    news:Hqlfi.470643$115.448101@newsfe10.phx...
    > Why is the iphone going to be offered by Cingular only? I understand that
    > Verizon is the number-one cell phone service provider both for superb
    > coverage and high-speed data. Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular? If I
    > were Steve Jobs, I would want to release my iphone an the best network and
    > according to all reviews, that is undeniably Verizon.
    >
    >
    >





  4. #4
    Agent_C
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    Re: Why iPhone for Cingular Only?

    On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:21:11 -0700, "Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa"
    <Moustaffa@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote:

    >Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular?


    I'll speculate that this decision was at least in part influenced by
    the lack of disparity in service/coverage between Verizon and Cingular
    in California. They're roughly equal in most areas.

    Contrast that with the East Coast, where Verizon is clearly superior
    in most areas.

    The Stinkular factor is the one and only reason I'll probably never
    own this phone.

    A_C



  5. #5
    stevev
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    Re: Why iPhone for Cingular Only?


    "Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa" <Moustaffa@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote in message
    news:Hqlfi.470643$115.448101@newsfe10.phx...
    > Why is the iphone going to be offered by Cingular only? I understand that
    > Verizon is the number-one cell phone service provider both for superb
    > coverage and high-speed data. Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular? If I
    > were Steve Jobs, I would want to release my iphone an the best network and
    > according to all reviews, that is undeniably Verizon.
    >
    >

    I suspect that money was the reason (Apple gave ATT an exclusive 5-year
    deal). Although their total number of customers is about equal, Verizon is
    considered by most to be the superior network with better coverage and
    support in many areas (mine, for example) and many, many more long-term
    contracts than ATT. I don't see this changing until Verizon starts losing
    customers to ATT due to more versatile phones (fully functional, not
    crippled), more and less expensive plan choices, and other technological
    advances. Both Europe and Asia are well ahead of the US...again, I suspect
    the reason is money. Got to keep those well-paid executives and
    stockholders happy.





  6. #6
    Jer
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    Re: Why iPhone for Cingular Only?

    Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa wrote:
    > Why is the iphone going to be offered by Cingular only? I understand that
    > Verizon is the number-one cell phone service provider both for superb
    > coverage and high-speed data. Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular? If I
    > were Steve Jobs, I would want to release my iphone an the best network and
    > according to all reviews, that is undeniably Verizon.
    >
    >
    >



    It's my understanding that Cing^H^H^H^H at&t is paying a chunk for the
    exclusive privilege. According to I, Cringely in 01/07...
    http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2...11_001476.html

    Follow the money.


    --
    jer
    email reply - I am not a 'ten'



  7. #7
    Al Bundy
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    Re: Why iPhone for Cingular Only?


    "Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message
    news:bk9t73dsg7m74p46c25rki8ci3pa62ck61@4ax.com...
    > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:26:37 -0700, "stevev" <stevev@addlebrain.com>
    > wrote:
    >>I suspect that money was the reason (Apple gave ATT an exclusive 5-year
    >>deal). Although their total number of customers is about equal, Verizon
    >>is
    >>considered by most to be the superior network with better coverage and
    >>support in many areas (mine, for example) and many, many more long-term
    >>contracts than ATT. I don't see this changing until Verizon starts losing
    >>customers to ATT due to more versatile phones (fully functional, not
    >>crippled), more and less expensive plan choices, and other technological
    >>advances. Both Europe and Asia are well ahead of the US...again, I
    >>suspect
    >>the reason is money. Got to keep those well-paid executives and
    >>stockholders happy.

    >
    > I've been a long time Verizon customer due to their coverage and I think
    > they know people will stay with them because of their coverage,
    > especially if you travel much. Their prices suck, their hardware
    > crippling policy sucks, on the whole their phones suck but their
    > coverage is the best overall.
    >
    > Maybe if they start losing subscribers they will change some things but
    > I'm not holding my breath.
    > -
    >
    > Pegleg
    > U.S. Navy Retired
    > Support Our Troops,
    > Question The Policy!
    >
    > All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words:
    > freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
    > Sir Winston Churchill


    And let's not forget the other Verizon Exclusive (Screw Me Now)
    Gotta love em.
    Al





  8. #8
    stevev
    Guest

    Re: Why iPhone for Cingular Only?

    Yup, they have been able to sustain their business model - crippled phones,
    lack of flexibility, costly extras - because their network was better (it
    certainly is in my area). Remains to be seen if this will change with the
    iPhone. It does have an impressive list of functions in a single device.
    Shortly we will know if they are worth it, or even if they work. AT&T
    claims that 40% of people expressing interest in the iPhone are NOT
    currently AT&T customers. If large numbers of subscribers switch to AT&T
    from other carriers, Verizon (and the others) will have to respond or
    continue losing customers. Seems to me it will be good for the customer no
    matter what, assuming the total cost isn't prohibitive.

    "Al Bundy" <johnjr173@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:lQDfi.2586$yN.2274@trnddc07...
    >
    > "Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message
    > news:bk9t73dsg7m74p46c25rki8ci3pa62ck61@4ax.com...
    >> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:26:37 -0700, "stevev" <stevev@addlebrain.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>>I suspect that money was the reason (Apple gave ATT an exclusive 5-year
    >>>deal). Although their total number of customers is about equal, Verizon
    >>>is
    >>>considered by most to be the superior network with better coverage and
    >>>support in many areas (mine, for example) and many, many more long-term
    >>>contracts than ATT. I don't see this changing until Verizon starts
    >>>losing
    >>>customers to ATT due to more versatile phones (fully functional, not
    >>>crippled), more and less expensive plan choices, and other technological
    >>>advances. Both Europe and Asia are well ahead of the US...again, I
    >>>suspect
    >>>the reason is money. Got to keep those well-paid executives and
    >>>stockholders happy.

    >>
    >> I've been a long time Verizon customer due to their coverage and I think
    >> they know people will stay with them because of their coverage,
    >> especially if you travel much. Their prices suck, their hardware
    >> crippling policy sucks, on the whole their phones suck but their
    >> coverage is the best overall.
    >>
    >> Maybe if they start losing subscribers they will change some things but
    >> I'm not holding my breath.
    >> -
    >>
    >> Pegleg
    >> U.S. Navy Retired
    >> Support Our Troops,
    >> Question The Policy!
    >>
    >> All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words:
    >> freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
    >> Sir Winston Churchill

    >
    > And let's not forget the other Verizon Exclusive (Screw Me Now)
    > Gotta love em.
    > Al
    >






  9. #9
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Why iPhone for Cingular Only?

    "stevev" <stevev@addlebrain.com> wrote in
    news:CNEfi.35480$Um6.9662@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net:

    > Verizon (and the others) will have to respond or
    > continue losing customers. Seems to me it will be good for the
    > customer no matter what, assuming the total cost isn't prohibitive.
    >
    >


    The iPhone's ability to connect to any wifi it finds, bypassing Verizon,
    entirely, will never be sold by Verizon unless those features are turned
    off. I was amazed to see how many PDAs Alltel sells that will connect to
    any wifi that's open or you have a WEP code for.

    Larry
    --
    http://www.spp.gov/
    The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP




  10. #10
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Why iPhone for Cingular Only?

    Agent_C wrote:
    > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:21:11 -0700, "Moustaffa Moustamegwomfa"
    > <Moustaffa@Moustamegwomfa.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Why would Steve Jobs choose Cingular?

    >
    > I'll speculate that this decision was at least in part influenced by
    > the lack of disparity in service/coverage between Verizon and Cingular
    > in California. They're roughly equal in most areas.


    Hardly. In the urban parts of the urban counties, they are roughly
    equal. But go to a rural part of an urban county, and the differences
    are significant. These differences are reflected in all the independent
    surveys.

    If the other Steve founder of Apple, Wozniak, had been consulted, he
    would have confirmed this. He actually moved because he couldn't get GSM
    coverage in the rural part of Los Gatos where he lived!

    In any case, according to all reports, Apple did approach Verizon first,
    and Verizon wasn't interested due to the terms that Apple wanted.
    Verizon, with it's significantly higher numbers of net additions, could
    afford to be choosy.

    It goes further than that however. It's also CDMA's superiority over GSM
    in terms of coverage, something I experienced several times in the past
    week up in some rural areas of Southern Oregon. For whatever reason, the
    CDMA carriers in that area have done a very good job of coverage in the
    rural areas, while the GSM carriers have not.

    > Contrast that with the East Coast, where Verizon is clearly superior
    > in most areas.


    I've experienced the exact opposite. While Verizon also tops Cingular in
    every survey of east coast urban areas, I've not experienced the large
    areas of "no-coverage" that exist with Cingular in places like the Bay
    Area of California. I attributed it to the more dense demographics of
    the Atlantic Seaboard, and Southeast.


    [Copied to alt.cellular.attws. Please post all alt.cellular.cingular
    non-spam posts to alt.cellular.attws as well. The Cingular name is going
    away, and alt.cellular.attws is the proper venue for posts regarding
    AT&T's Wireless Service.]



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