iPhone - A Guided Tour

"none" wrote:
>
> Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ) controls much of the
> business world now.

Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought that
delusional Mac zealotry was essentially a myth.)


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"none" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "ed" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...S&NewsID=18376
>> >
>> > ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100%
>> > sure.
>>
>> wow, you apple fans sure do see the world through a different set of
>> eyes,
>> eh?
>
> yeah, apple users see things as they are, no fluff, that's for sure.

you're on crack dude.

>> whitacre is retiring from att only a year early, at 65, and there's
>> been nothing to suggest it was anything other han by choice.
>
> ah, his performance at MacWorld *****ed the end of his career, he's not
> a world class CEO, it was clearly apparent. The process to push him out
> of ATT started the moment he "finally" got off the MacWorld stage.
>
> Same thing happened to the SONY CEO, Nobuyuki Idei come to think of it.
> MacWorld keynotes are like a guillotine if you don't measure up to
> extremely high standards.

you don't think it's maybe because sony hadn't been doing so well for the
years before?

>> additionally,
>> his replacement, stephenson, has been the heir apparent for quite some
>> time,
>> and is said to be very much like whitacre,
>
> yes, but stephenson is younger and more articulate. you can't have
> mind-numbing CEO's like whitacre near Apple products. Apple will not
> tolerate it.

apple has basically no say. sorry.

>> so if jobs did force something
>> (somehow), he didn't exactly change much.
>
> but he did change things, just like how he pushed Eisner out of Disney a
> few years ago, and then became its largest shareholder... that was a
> pure Steve move and everyone knows it.

only delusional people 'know' it- eisner was on his way out for quite a
while before that- he had been forced down as chairman back in 2004 if you
recall, due to shareholder revolt, and a very public dispute with roy
disney. he was also widely dislike amongst disney brass. but you can go
ahead and believe it was all because jobs wanted him out...

> will Apple do the same to ATT? hard to say, but Apple now controls what
> ATT does in terms of wireless, so they are up against a tough task
> master, can ATT measure up?

none <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> none <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Rick Blaine <rick@cafe> wrote

>>>>> yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to, Apple
>>>>> had to get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much
>>>>> better. Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT
>>>>> customers, (soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it
>>>>> just won't happen.

>>>> Take a look at the revenues for Apple vs. ATT and
>>>> then reconsider your comment...mouse vs. elephant.

>>> yes, but ATT is a very old school company with much to learn from Apple,

>> Doesnt mean that is going to happen.

> of course, but it puts all the pressure on ATT to keep the best phone
> in their portfolio, ATT will have to bend to keep Apple happy.

Nope, ATT knows that Apple cant change horses now.

>>> Apple is really only technically 10 years old and can shape
>>> up ATT quite quickly with a few succinct recommendations.

>> Fantasy, those dinosaurs NEVER respond to that sort of thing.

> Ah, whitacre is gone within 6 months of the iphone announcement,

Nothing to do with the iphone announcement at all,
http://www.forbes.com/leadership/man...ml?partner=rss

and a change in the monkey at the top doesnt change a dinosaur like that anyway.

> if stephenson doesn't measure up, apple will push him out as well.

Apple didnt push whitacre out, and gets no say on who runs ATT anyway.

> that's how steve works if you don't yet understand.

Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT.

>>> Just look at what steve is doing to Disney for a current example.
>>> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...S&NewsID=18376

>> Different matter entirely.

> Different matter, but exact same "technique".

Nope. Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT or how it operates either.

>>> ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100% sure.

>> Another mindlessly silly fantasy.

> Nope! You just don't understand how Apple operates, yet.

You've never understood how things work, Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT or how it operates either.

none <[email protected]> wrote
> ed <[email protected]> wrote

>>> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...S&NewsID=18376

>>> ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100% sure.

>> wow, you apple fans sure do see the world through a different set of eyes, eh?

> yeah, apple users see things as they are, no fluff, that's for sure.

Fantasy. You're so stupid that you havent even noticed that Stephenson
has been part of ATT for longer than Jobs has been around for, and that
Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT.

>> D whitacre is retiring from att only a year early, at 65, and there's
>> been nothing to suggest it was anything other han by choice.

> ah, his performance at MacWorld *****ed the end of his career,

Another mindlessly silly pig ignorant fantasy.

> he's not a world class CEO,

Wrong again. Pity about what he managed to achieve with ATT.

> it was clearly apparent. The process to push him out of ATT
> started the moment he "finally" got off the MacWorld stage.

Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.

> Same thing happened to the SONY CEO, Nobuyuki Idei
> come to think of it. MacWorld keynotes are like a guillotine
> if you don't measure up to extremely high standards.

Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.

>> additionally, his replacement, stephenson, has
>> been the heir apparent for quite some time,

Many years in fact.

>> and is said to be very much like whitacre,

> yes, but stephenson is younger

Irrelevant to your stupid claim that he retired because Jobs pushed him out.

Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT or anything much outside Apple either.

> and more articulate. you can't have mind-numbing CEO's
> like whitacre near Apple products. Apple will not tolerate it.

How odd that they chose ATT for their iphone.

And Apple gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT, ever.

The most Apple ever gets to do is decide who they want to get
involved with for their iphone, and even you must have noticed
that they chose ATT with whitacre driving that particular bus.

>> so if jobs did force something (somehow), he didn't exactly change much.

> but he did change things,

Not in ATT he didnt.

> just like how he pushed Eisner out of Disney a few
> years ago, and then became its largest shareholder...

Pity about all the other shareholders. That left Job's shareholding for dead.

> that was a pure Steve move and everyone knows it.

Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.

> will Apple do the same to ATT?

Nope, Jobs aint got enough money for that and isnt stupid enough
to have not grasped that ATT cant be changed that much anyway.

> hard to say,

Nope, easy to say actually. You watch.

> but Apple now controls what ATT does in terms of wireless,

Like hell it does.

> so they are up against a tough task master, can ATT measure up?

Probably not, and Apple gets to like that or lump it. They've got nowhere
else to go and havent got a hope in hell of going it alone either.

none <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote

>>>> That's the deal breaker for me. Cingular/AT&T is terrible.

>>> yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to,

>> Fantasy.

> The CEO of ATT was forced out last week.

No he wasnt, he chose to retire, after a VERY long time driving that bus, 17 years in fact.

> Fact.

Fantasy.

>>> Apple had to get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much better.

>> Fantasy.

> Intel stock and internal performance was lack-luster
> before they finally won the Apple contract.

Another pig ignorant fantasy. What actually happened is that Intel finally
got its act into gear with the Core 2 Duo, and got the jump on AMD
for the first time in a hell of a long time. Nothing to do with Apple at all.

> Apple quickly swooped in and straightened their design and engineering groups out.

Pure fantasy. Never happened.

> Fact.

Pure fantasy actually.

>>> Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT customers,
>>> (soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it just won't happen.

>> Fantasy.

> Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ)
> controls much of the business world now.

Pigs arse he does, **** all of it, actually.

> What he says moves markets faster than anyone alive.

Another pig ignorant lie.

> Fact.

Pure fantasy actually.

Tinman <[email protected]> wrote
> none wrote

>> Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ) controls much of the business world now.

> Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought that delusional Mac zealotry was
> essentially a myth.)

Yeah, never actually seen one that mindlessly rabid till now.

Corse this is the fool that mindlessly claimed that the arch is the
strongest design element you can choose. too. Pig ignorant drivel.

On 2007-06-25, Tinman <[email protected]> wrote:
> "none" wrote:
>>
>> Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ) controls much of the
>> business world now.
>
> Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought that
> delusional Mac zealotry was essentially a myth.)

Yet it is true that SJ is highly influential in the world
of digital content provision. Just think of the impact
his 2007-02-06 "Thoughts on Music" piece had in the music
industry (161,000 Google hits for "Steve Jobs" "Thoughts on
Music". He blamed the "big four" music companies for creating
interoperability issues by their insistence on using DRM, and
suggested that they should reconsider.

Just under two months later Apple announce the availability of
DRM-free music from EMI on the iTMS. Yes it could be coincidence.
EMI might have changed their mind anyway. But it seems that
this sort of thing has happened too many times for it to be
coincidence. Apple have a massive share both of the portable
player market and the digital audio download market. This is
bound to give them a huge huge influence in the industry
regardless of what the Mac zealots say or do.

Ian

--
Ian Gregory
http://www.zenatode.org.uk/ian/

Oh good lord, is there no end to the stupidity of the apple fanboys?


"none" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> \Randall Ainsworth <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Yup, a really neat piece of equipment. Too bad it's next to useless
because
> > > you have to be on the Stinkular network to use it....
> >
> > That's the deal breaker for me. Cingular/AT&T is terrible.
>
> yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to, Apple had to
> get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much better.
> Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT customers,
> (soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it just won't happen.

Michelle Steiner <[email protected]> wrote
> Tinman <[email protected]> wrote

>>> Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ)
>>> controls much of the business world now.

>> Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought
>> that delusional Mac zealotry was essentially a myth.)

> I think he was being sarcastic.

'think' again, he clearly wasnt.

It actually believes that mindlessly silly crap.

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]

> yes, but ATT is a very old school company with much to learn from Apple,
> Apple is really only technically 10 years old and can shape up ATT quite
> quickly with a few succinct recommendations. Just look at what steve is
> doing to Disney for a current example.

Apple is only technically 10 years old?


*boggle*

>> You can't buy it without a two year contract, Stinkwad.
>
> Ah, but you can immediately break the contract for $175, so keep that in
> mind. Why so testy?

The reports that Apple had repealed "no contract, no buy"
are false ?


--
Wes Groleau

There are some ideas so wrong that only a
very intelligent person could believe in them.
-- George Orwell

"Michelle Steiner" wrote:
> "Tinman" wrote:
>> > Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ) controls much of the
>> > business world now.
>>
>> Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought that
>> delusional Mac zealotry was essentially a myth.)
>
> I think he was being sarcastic.

Think again.


--
Mike

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > of course, but it puts all the pressure on ATT to keep the best phone
> > in their portfolio, ATT will have to bend to keep Apple happy.
>
> Nope, ATT knows that Apple cant change horses now.

Sure it can, ATT is just a puppet to Apple. If they don't have the
iPhone they don't have a successful enterprise.

But don't worry, ATT needs Apple so they'll bend over backwards to keep
them in the fold.

> >>> Apple is really only technically 10 years old and can shape
> >>> up ATT quite quickly with a few succinct recommendations.
>
> >> Fantasy, those dinosaurs NEVER respond to that sort of thing.
>
> > Ah, whitacre is gone within 6 months of the iphone announcement,
>
> Nothing to do with the iphone announcement at all,
> http://www.forbes.com/leadership/man...randall-att-fa
> ce-cx_er_0427autofacescan01.html?partner=rss

Sure it was.

> a change in the monkey at the top doesnt change a dinosaur like that
> anyway.
>
> > if stephenson doesn't measure up, apple will push him out as well.
>
> Apple didnt push whitacre out, and gets no say on who runs ATT anyway.

gosh, you are clueless on how all this worked. I know you aren't close
to the situation, but come on.

> > that's how steve works if you don't yet understand.
>
> Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT.

Ah, only 80% since he owns the primary phone at this point the game.

> >>> Just look at what steve is doing to Disney for a current example.
> >>> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...S&NewsID=18376
>
> >> Different matter entirely.
>
> > Different matter, but exact same "technique".
>
> Nope. Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT or how it operates either.

Gosh, you are totally clueless. ATT is desperate for Apple to show them
the way, and Steve is the guide. ATT is just a pawn in Apple's overall
game plan.

> >>> ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100%
> >>> sure.
>
> >> Another mindlessly silly fantasy.
>
> > Nope! You just don't understand how Apple operates, yet.
>
> You've never understood how things work, Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT or
> how it operates either.

Just wait a year, if stephenson doesn't work, steve will push him out.
Apple is much stronger than ATT in the business world, and you continue
to ignore that fact.

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > yeah, apple users see things as they are, no fluff, that's for sure.
>
> Fantasy. You're so stupid that you havent even noticed that Stephenson
> has been part of ATT for longer than Jobs has been around for, and that
> Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT.

He initially joined AT&T Inc. in 1982, so that makes him 6 years less
experienced than Steve of Apple in 1976. You are a fool to not
understand who is in control now.

> >> D whitacre is retiring from att only a year early, at 65, and there's
> >> been nothing to suggest it was anything other han by choice.
>
> > ah, his performance at MacWorld *****ed the end of his career,
>
> Another mindlessly silly pig ignorant fantasy.

You didn't seek the Keynote, that's killed many a CEO in the past.
>
> > he's not a world class CEO,
>
> Wrong again. Pity about what he managed to achieve with ATT.

ATT is a managerial MESS, it needs to be cleaned up "SJ" style and will
be if they don't shape up quickly.

> > it was clearly apparent. The process to push him out of ATT
> > started the moment he "finally" got off the MacWorld stage.
>
> Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.

You have NO idea what is going on...

> > Same thing happened to the SONY CEO, Nobuyuki Idei
> > come to think of it. MacWorld keynotes are like a guillotine
> > if you don't measure up to extremely high standards.
>
> Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.

That's a pure fact, look it up...

> >> additionally, his replacement, stephenson, has
> >> been the heir apparent for quite some time,
>
> Many years in fact.
>
> >> and is said to be very much like whitacre,
>
> > yes, but stephenson is younger
>
> Irrelevant to your stupid claim that he retired because Jobs pushed him out.
>
> Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT or anything much outside Apple
> either.
>
> > and more articulate. you can't have mind-numbing CEO's
> > like whitacre near Apple products. Apple will not tolerate it.
>
> How odd that they chose ATT for their iphone.
>
> And Apple gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT, ever.
>
> The most Apple ever gets to do is decide who they want to get
> involved with for their iphone, and even you must have noticed
> that they chose ATT with whitacre driving that particular bus.
>
> >> so if jobs did force something (somehow), he didn't exactly change much.
>
> > but he did change things,
>
> Not in ATT he didnt.
>
> > just like how he pushed Eisner out of Disney a few
> > years ago, and then became its largest shareholder...
>
> Pity about all the other shareholders. That left Job's shareholding for dead.
>
> > that was a pure Steve move and everyone knows it.
>
> Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.
>
> > will Apple do the same to ATT?
>
> Nope, Jobs aint got enough money for that and isnt stupid enough
> to have not grasped that ATT cant be changed that much anyway.
>
> > hard to say,
>
> Nope, easy to say actually. You watch.
>
> > but Apple now controls what ATT does in terms of wireless,
>
> Like hell it does.
>
> > so they are up against a tough task master, can ATT measure up?
>
> Probably not, and Apple gets to like that or lump it. They've got nowhere
> else to go and havent got a hope in hell of going it alone either.

Face the facts, Apple has control over ATT by one single product. ATT
will either rise or fall with the blessing of Apple from Friday, June
29th forward. ATT just isn't in command any longer, Apple calls all the
shots in the Cell Industry from this Friday, forward.

none <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> none <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> none <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>> Rick Blaine <rick@cafe> wrote

>>>>>>> yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to, Apple
>>>>>>> had to get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much
>>>>>>> better. Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT
>>>>>>> customers, (soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it
>>>>>>> just won't happen.

>>>>>> Take a look at the revenues for Apple vs. ATT and
>>>>>> then reconsider your comment...mouse vs. elephant.

>>>>> yes, but ATT is a very old school company with much to learn from Apple,

>>>> Doesnt mean that is going to happen.

>>> of course, but it puts all the pressure on ATT to keep the best phone
>>> in their portfolio, ATT will have to bend to keep Apple happy.

>> Nope, ATT knows that Apple cant change horses now.

> Sure it can,

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of why
you arent running ATT, Apple, or anything else either.

> ATT is just a puppet to Apple.

Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys.

> If they don't have the iPhone they don't have a successful enterprise.

Better tell the stockmarket and morningstar etc then.

Dont be TOO surprised when they just laugh in your silly little pig ignorant face.

> But don't worry, ATT needs Apple

No they dont. Apple is worth having for them tho.

> so they'll bend over backwards to keep them in the fold.

Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys.

They'll just do their usual rather pathetic effort than all the dinosaurs do, you watch.

They've just replaced the COO with another clone of the first one, from inside that dinosaur.

>>>>> Apple is really only technically 10 years old and can shape
>>>>> up ATT quite quickly with a few succinct recommendations.

>>>> Fantasy, those dinosaurs NEVER respond to that sort of thing.

And there's a reason why they dont.

>>> Ah, whitacre is gone within 6 months of the iphone announcement,

>> Nothing to do with the iphone announcement at all,
>> http://www.forbes.com/leadership/man...ml?partner=rss

> Sure it was.

How odd that Forbes didnt even mention that.

Corse they havent got a clue and you know it all, eh ?

>> a change in the monkey at the top doesnt change a dinosaur like that anyway.

>>> if stephenson doesn't measure up, apple will push him out as well.

>> Apple didnt push whitacre out, and gets no say on who runs ATT anyway.

> gosh, you are clueless on how all this worked.

Forbes too eh ? Yeah, right.

> I know you aren't close to the situation,

You in spades. You're just some stupid little Apple fanchild that is so stupid that
it hasnt even noticed that the arch isnt the strongest design element either.

> but come on.

We aint going nowhere.

How odd that not even a single individual that has commented
on your mindlessly silly claims actually agrees with you either.

>>> that's how steve works if you don't yet understand.

>> Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT.

> Ah, only 80% since he owns the primary phone at this point the game.

He doesnt own the primary phone either. And even ATT
knows he aint got anywhere else to go with that phone.

>>>>> Just look at what steve is doing to Disney for a current example.
>>>>> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...S&NewsID=18376

>>>> Different matter entirely.

>>> Different matter, but exact same "technique".

>> Nope. Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT or how it operates either.

> Gosh, you are totally clueless.

Forbes too eh ? Everyone else who has commented on you silly **** too eh ?

Yeah, right.

> ATT is desperate for Apple to show them the way,

Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasys.

> and Steve is the guide. ATT is just a pawn in Apple's overall game plan.

Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasys.

How odd that the market cap of ATT leaves Apple's for dead.

You do know what a market cap is dont you child ?

>>>>> ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100% sure.

>>>> Another mindlessly silly fantasy.

>>> Nope! You just don't understand how Apple operates, yet.

>> You've never understood how things work, Jobs gets
>> no say on who runs ATT or how it operates either.

> Just wait a year, if stephenson doesn't work, steve will push him out.

Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT, ever.

> Apple is much stronger than ATT in the business world,

How odd that the market cap of ATT leaves Apple's for dead.

You do know what a market cap is dont you child ?

> and you continue to ignore that fact.

Just calling it a fact doesnt make it a fact, child.

Now get down on your knees and grovel to that shrine to Jobs so we can boot you up the arse, again.