iPhone - A Guided Tour

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > you will, the writing is now on the wall.
>
> Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys,
> fanchild.
>
> Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs AT&T, you watch.

ah, but whitacre was pushed out 2 weeks before the biggest phone launch
in AT&T's history? ... come on, i know you don't have a lot of knowledge
about how apple operates, but that event has "steve jobs" written all
over it.

he is pulling the strings of AT&T on this one FOR SURE.

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"TheLetterK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Randall Ainsworth wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, Rick Blaine
>> <rick@cafe> wrote:
>>
>>> Yup, a really neat piece of equipment. Too bad it's next to useless
>>> because you have to be on the Stinkular network to use it....
>>
>> That's the deal breaker for me. Cingular/AT&T is terrible.
>
> I haven't had any trouble with Cingular yet, other than their terrible
> pricing for data plans.

Oh boy here comes the lies. Cingular is sooooooooooooooooo famous
nationwide for having HORRIBLE, just HORRIBLE reception. Every single person
I know that has gone with Cingular has left them almost immediately due to
poor reception and dropped calls. Mysteriously, the Mactards will have NONE
of these issues.

none <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote

>>> you will, the writing is now on the wall.

>> Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys, fanchild.

>> Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs AT&T, you watch.

> ah, but whitacre was pushed out

No he wasnt, he retired after 44 years with AT&T and
its predecessors and after 17 years of running AT&T.

> 2 weeks before the biggest phone launch in AT&T's history? ...

And his replacement is a clone of whitacre, who has also
been in AT&T for many years, just not at retirement age.

> come on, i know you don't have a lot of knowledge about how apple operates,

That's AT&T, not Apple.

> but that event has "steve jobs" written all over it.

Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys, fanchild.

> he is pulling the strings of AT&T on this one FOR SURE.

Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys, fanchild.

Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs AT&T, ever.

none <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote


>>>>> Even so, the deal maker for me about the iPhone, since I need
>>>>> to buy an new phone anyway, is that it can do 802.11g (and b),

>>>> There's plenty of phones that can do that too.

>>> Like what?

>> Just about all the high end phones can do that.

> An example Ron?

The Nokia N series.

> You are blowing hot air

Nope, I leave that to you, fanchild.

> since you are SCARED of the iPhone, that's all.

I couldnt give a flying red **** if it does take off as well as the ipod did, fanchild.

In article
<[email protected]>,
Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

> iPhone activation requires an Internet connection; an iTunes Store
> account or a major credit card; a valid Social Security number (as
> required by AT&T);

WTF? What the bloody hell does AT&T think they need your SSN for? Or
anyone else, for that matter? Your SSN is not a national ID card.

Michelle Steiner <[email protected]> wrote
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote

>>>>>>> Even so, the deal maker for me about the iPhone, since I need
>>>>>>> to buy an new phone anyway, is that it can do 802.11g (and b),

>>>>>> There's plenty of phones that can do that too.

>>>>> Like what?

>>>> Just about all the high end phones can do that.

>>> Name some.

>> The only feature of the iPhone that no other devices match is the ability to
>> play DRM protected downloads from iTunes. On other devices you'd have
>> to remove the iTunes DRM which is beyond the ability of many users.

> Stop evading;

He isnt evading, he's rubbing your nose in that fact.

> answer the question.

I already did, no need for him to name some too.

>> You can use "http://phonescoop.com" to search for phones
>> with 802.11, and there are a few with 802.11g.

> I searched there for phones that have the following characteristics
> that the iPhone has:
> Display resolution greater than QVGA
> Bluetooth
> WiFi

> It came up with no phones

Usual flagrantly dishonest slithering off from what you originally asked.

The Nokia N series does both bluetooth and WiFi fine.

> If I eliminated the greater-than-QVGA, it showed
> four phones, all of which are made by HTC.

Just goes to show how ****ed that system is then doesnt it ?

> Eliminating the camera requirement didn't change the results.

The Nokia N series does that stuff fine, and it aint alone.

"Tim McNamara" <[email protected]> wrote:
> WTF? What the bloody hell does AT&T think they need your SSN for? Or
> anyone else, for that matter? Your SSN is not a national ID card.

Maybe the Federal security agencies make them do it so they can track
suspicious cell phone use?

R. P.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Michelle Steiner <[email protected]> wrote

[snip]

> > Eliminating the camera requirement didn't change the results.
>
> The Nokia N series does that stuff fine, and it aint alone.

Which one, specifically? Nokia appears to have about a dozen N-series
models.

Incidentally, this kind of complexity in the competition's product
line-ups will probably also benefit Apple. It has with the iPod.

Compare http://www.creative.com/products/wel...p?category=213

vs. http://www.apple.com/ipod/ipod.html

and

http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=products,gateway

vs. http://www.apple.com/iphone/

Heh. Apple ever has simpler URLs....

--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006

Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote:

> > iPhone activation requires an Internet connection; an iTunes Store
> > account or a major credit card; a valid Social Security number (as
> > required by AT&T);
>
> WTF? What the bloody hell does AT&T think they need your SSN for? Or
> anyone else, for that matter? Your SSN is not a national ID card.

no, but it is the key to credit records, so unless you give that key,
you'll use the iphone through regular 802.11.

"R. P." <[email protected]> wrote:

> > WTF? What the bloody hell does AT&T think they need your SSN for? Or
> > anyone else, for that matter? Your SSN is not a national ID card.
>
> Maybe the Federal security agencies make them do it so they can track
> suspicious cell phone use?

nope, it's only to gain credit info. for some reason, cell companies
think they are special and feel they must look into your credit before
they lock you into a "crazy" 2 year contract. they don't know that a
simpler way is to cut off phone access if you don't pay. contracts are
old world mafia concepts, cell phone companies are completely in the
dark on how to run a business on this one.

they'll learn, apple will teach them the more correct customer approach.

In article <[email protected]>,
Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > iPhone activation requires an Internet connection; an iTunes Store
> > account or a major credit card; a valid Social Security number (as
> > required by AT&T);
>
> WTF? What the bloody hell does AT&T think they need your SSN for? Or
> anyone else, for that matter? Your SSN is not a national ID card.

A credit check. This is standard procedure for this sort of thing these
days.

SSNs have become general-purpose ID numbers, and are essentially now
public information. Any value that once had for verifying identity is
gone. Which if fine, as long as nobody still assumes they have any value
for verifying identity. Unfortunately, not everyone does that. Notably
credit card companies, which leads to a lot of identity theft.

--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006

In alt.cellular.verizon Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

> nope, it's only to gain credit info. for some reason, cell companies
> think they are special and feel they must look into your credit before
> they lock you into a "crazy" 2 year contract. they don't know that a
> simpler way is to cut off phone access if you don't pay.

If they do that, what happens to the expensive phone they gave to you fro
free?

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

ZnU <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> Michelle Steiner <[email protected]> wrote
>>> SMS <[email protected]> wrote

>>>>>>>>> Even so, the deal maker for me about the iPhone, since I need
>>>>>>>>> to buy an new phone anyway, is that it can do 802.11g (and b),

>>>>>>>> There's plenty of phones that can do that too.

>>>>>>> Like what?

>>>>>> Just about all the high end phones can do that.

>>>>> Name some.

>>>> The only feature of the iPhone that no other devices match is the ability to
>>>> play DRM protected downloads from iTunes. On other devices you'd have
>>>> to remove the iTunes DRM which is beyond the ability of many users.

>>> Stop evading;

>> He isnt evading, he's rubbing your nose in that fact.

>>> answer the question.

>> I already did, no need for him to name some too.

>>>> You can use "http://phonescoop.com" to search for phones
>>>> with 802.11, and there are a few with 802.11g.

>>> I searched there for phones that have the following characteristics that the iPhone has:
>>> Display resolution greater than QVGA
>>> Bluetooth
>>> WiFi

>>> It came up with no phones

>> Usual flagrantly dishonest slithering off from what you originally asked.

>> The Nokia N series does both bluetooth and WiFi fine.

>>> If I eliminated the greater-than-QVGA, it showed
>>> four phones, all of which are made by HTC.

>> Just goes to show how ****ed that system is then doesnt it ?

>>> Eliminating the camera requirement didn't change the results.

>> The Nokia N series does that stuff fine, and it aint alone.

> Which one, specifically?

The N95, N80, N800, N70, E65.

> Nokia appears to have about a dozen N-series models.

Yep.

> Incidentally, this kind of complexity in the competition's
> product line-ups will probably also benefit Apple.

Nope.

> It has with the iPod.

Phones arent media players.

> Compare http://www.creative.com/products/wel...p?category=213
> vs. http://www.apple.com/ipod/ipod.html

> and

> http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=products,gateway
> vs. http://www.apple.com/iphone/

> Heh. Apple ever has simpler URLs....

Fat lot of good that wll do it.

[email protected] wrote:

> > nope, it's only to gain credit info. for some reason, cell companies
> > think they are special and feel they must look into your credit before
> > they lock you into a "crazy" 2 year contract. they don't know that a
> > simpler way is to cut off phone access if you don't pay.
>
> If they do that, what happens to the expensive phone they gave to you fro
> free?

apple isn't allowing ATT to play silly games with the iphone. when you
buy an iPhone, it's YOURS, not tied to any funky contract. Only if you
want the proprietary minutes and uncertain levels of data access do you
pay the $59.99 a month fee.

but the phone is yours, ATT doesn't have any say on the phone. A first
for the industry.

once Skype, or Apple's rumored iTalk is on the iPhone, ATT is toast.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:

> ZnU <[email protected]> wrote
> > Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote

> >> The Nokia N series does that stuff fine, and it aint alone.
>
> > Which one, specifically?
>
> The N95, N80, N800, N70, E65.
>
> > Nokia appears to have about a dozen N-series models.
>
> Yep.
>
> > Incidentally, this kind of complexity in the competition's product
> > line-ups will probably also benefit Apple.
>
> Nope.

Tell that to someone who has never wasted hours trying to find the right
cell phone to buy.

> > It has with the iPod.
>
> Phones arent media players.

And the cell phone market works completely differently from the media
player market because...?

[snip]

--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006