iPhone will never run VoIP or streaming!

The article has some mis-information. AT&T DOES have 3G (and 3.5G)
service. Crapple's iPhone just doesn't support it (EDGE only).

SoCalCommie

"The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot
is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud
of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a
feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance
that leads to war." - Sidney J. Harris

"rocxspam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> One more interesting observation on this non-Verizon device:
>
> "Apple takes a gamble with restrictive iPhone options -
> Success of the device might hinge on what it lacks"
>
>
>
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...Story/Business
>
> BTW, the 8gb model at $599, rounded to nearest 100 works out to $600
> (for whomever objected to that number ;-) - interesting to know what
the
> unsubsidized price (without contract) would be...
>
> ROC

---

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In article <[email protected]>,
"ed" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "ZnU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > jerryeveretts <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> > Yep, ATT got tricked by Steve, so it's funny to see how bad ATT lost.
> >>
> >>
> >> Really? I'll admit I don't know much about this deal, but I though you
> >> still had to pay AT&T a voice AND data plan for each iPhone, so
> >> whether you use the at&T data, or 802.11 you ARE going to pay AT&T for
> >> both data and voice...
> >
> > You can get an iPhone with any AT&T plan, actually, so you don't
> > strictly need to have a data plan.
>
> incorrect.
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/easysetup/rateplans.html

Incorrect.
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/06/26plans.html

"In addition, iPhone customers can choose from any of AT&T¹s standard
service plans."

--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006

On Jun 28, 10:00 am, ZnU <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
>
>
>
>
>
> "ed" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > "ZnU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > jerryeveretts <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> > Yep, ATT got tricked by Steve, so it's funny to see how bad ATT lost.
>
> > >> Really? I'll admit I don't know much about this deal, but I though you
> > >> still had to pay AT&T a voice AND data plan for each iPhone, so
> > >> whether you use the at&T data, or 802.11 you ARE going to pay AT&T for
> > >> both data and voice...
>
> > > You can get an iPhone with any AT&T plan, actually, so you don't
> > > strictly need to have a data plan.
>
> > incorrect.
> >http://www.apple.com/iphone/easysetup/rateplans.html
>
> Incorrect.http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/06/26plans.html
>
> "In addition, iPhone customers can choose from any of AT&T¹s standard
> service plans."

um, yes, you can choose a standard voice plan- and add $20 to it for
the required data plan... don't just get your info from press
releases dude...

from the og link i posted:
"If you're already an AT&T customer and want to keep your current
voice plan, you can just add an iPhone Data Plan with unlimited data
(email and web) and Visual Voicemail for just $20 per month."

from at&t's faq:
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/iphone-faqs.jsp
Q. Do I need to switch to a different rate plan if I upgrade to
iPhone?
A. If you're an existing AT&T (formerly Cingular) wireless customer,
you just need to add an iPhone Data Plan. (This may replace your
current data plan. Your voice plan will stay the same) The iPhone Data
Plan gives you Visual Voicemail, as well as Unlimited Data-includes
both email and web-and texting, all for as little as $20. You'll add
an iPhone Data Plan during the activation process.

http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/ar...hone-terms.jsp

In article <[email protected]>,
ed <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Jun 28, 10:00 am, ZnU <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "ed" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > "ZnU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >news:[email protected]...
> > > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > jerryeveretts <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > Yep, ATT got tricked by Steve, so it's funny to see how bad ATT lost.
> >
> > > >> Really? I'll admit I don't know much about this deal, but I though you
> > > >> still had to pay AT&T a voice AND data plan for each iPhone, so
> > > >> whether you use the at&T data, or 802.11 you ARE going to pay AT&T for
> > > >> both data and voice...
> >
> > > > You can get an iPhone with any AT&T plan, actually, so you don't
> > > > strictly need to have a data plan.
> >
> > > incorrect.
> > >http://www.apple.com/iphone/easysetup/rateplans.html
> >
> > Incorrect.http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/06/26plans.html
> >
> > "In addition, iPhone customers can choose from any of AT&T¹s standard
> > service plans."
>
> um, yes, you can choose a standard voice plan- and add $20 to it for
> the required data plan... don't just get your info from press
> releases dude...
>
> from the og link i posted:
> "If you're already an AT&T customer and want to keep your current
> voice plan, you can just add an iPhone Data Plan with unlimited data
> (email and web) and Visual Voicemail for just $20 per month."
>
> from at&t's faq:
> http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/iphone-faqs.jsp
> Q. Do I need to switch to a different rate plan if I upgrade to
> iPhone?
> A. If you're an existing AT&T (formerly Cingular) wireless customer,
> you just need to add an iPhone Data Plan. (This may replace your
> current data plan. Your voice plan will stay the same) The iPhone Data
> Plan gives you Visual Voicemail, as well as Unlimited Data-includes
> both email and web-and texting, all for as little as $20. You'll add
> an iPhone Data Plan during the activation process.
>
> http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/ar...hone-terms.jsp

That's interesting. Given that the plans Apple lists basically *are*
standard AT&T plans with the iPhone data plan added, the wording of
Apple's press release is highly misleading.

--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006

[email protected] wrote in news:1183034546.812603.294380
@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com:

>> Apple owns all control over the iPhone, all control over the fast
>> portion of the network, only ATT can tie people into obsolete "out of
>> range of 802.11" / "minute plans" but DATA and everything else, Apple
>> controls.
>>
>
> Good. The cell phone companies here suck (in terms of freedom/
> features) compared to most
> of western Europe, it seems.
>

This is just NOT so. ATT controls, with their iPhone Terms of Use, all
aspects of data downloaded/uploaded to its system, not Apple or Stevie
Wonderboy. One must, of course, read the long document and, removing the
advertising rose glasses, read what it says in detail:
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/ar...hone-terms.jsp
particularly that part that says:

"Prohibited and Permissible Uses: Data Service sessions may be conducted
only for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and
(iii) corporate intranet access (including access to corporate email,
customer relationship management, sales force automation, and field
service automation applications). PROHIBITED USES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT
LIMITED TO, USING SERVICES: (I) WITH SERVER DEVICES OR WITH HOST COMPUTER
APPLICATIONS, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WEB CAMERA POSTS OR
BROADCASTS, CONTINUOUS JPEG FILE TRANSFERS, AUTOMATIC DATA FEEDS,
TELEMETRY APPLICATIONS, PEER-TO-PEER (P2P) FILE SHARING, AUTOMATED
FUNCTIONS OR ANY OTHER MACHINE-TO-MACHINE APPLICATIONS; (II) AS
SUBSTITUTE OR BACKUP FOR PRIVATE LINES OR DEDICATED DATA CONNECTIONS;
(III) FOR VOICE OVER IP; (IV) IN CONJUNCTION WITH WWAN OR OTHER
APPLICATIONS OR DEVICES WHICH AGGREGATE USAGE FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES PRIOR
TO TRANSMISSION; (V) USING THE SERVICES FOR ANY ACTIVITY THAT ADVERSELY
AFFECTS THE ABILITY OF OTHER PEOPLE OR SYSTEMS TO USE EITHER THE SERVICES
OR OTHER PARTIES' INTERNET-BASED RESOURCES INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO
EXCESSIVE CONSUMPTION OF NETWORK OR SYSTEM RESOURCES (WHETHER INTENTIONAL
OR UNINTENTIONAL) AND "DENIAL OF SERVICE" (DOS) ATTACKS AGAINST ANOTHER
NETWORK HOST OR INDIVIDUAL USER; OR (VI) INTERFERENCE WITH OR DISRUPTION
OF OTHER NETWORK USERS, NETWORK SERVICES OR NETWORK EQUIPMENT. EXCEPT FOR
CONTENT FORMATTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH AT&T'S CONTENT STANDARDS, UNLIMITED
PLANS CANNOT BE USED FOR UPLOADING, DOWNLOADING OR STREAMING OF VIDEO
CONTENT (E.G. MOVIES, TV), MUSIC OR GAMES. FURTHERMORE, UNLIMITED PLANS
(EXCEPT FOR DATACONNECT AND BLACKBERRY TETHERED) CANNOT BE USED FOR ANY
APPLICATIONS THAT TETHER THE DEVICE (THROUGH USE OF, INCLUDING WITHOUT
LIMITATION, CONNECTION KITS, OTHER PHONE/PDA-TO-COMPUTER ACCESSORIES,
BLUETOOTH® OR ANY OTHER WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY) TO LAPTOPS, PCS, OR OTHER
EQUIPMENT FOR ANY PURPOSE. Service is not intended to provide full-time
connections, and the Service may be discontinued after a significant
period of inactivity or after sessions of excessive usage. AT&T reserves
the right to (i) limit throughput or amount of data transferred, deny
Service and/or terminate Service, without notice, to anyone it believes
is using the Service in any manner prohibited above or whose usage
adversely impacts its network or service levels or hinders access to its
network and (ii) protect its network from harm, which may impact
legitimate data flows. You may not send solicitations to AT&T subscribers
without their consent. You may not use the Services other than as
intended by AT&T and applicable law. Plans are for individual, non-
commercial use only and are not for resale."

WEBPAGES - EMAIL ONLY for individual customers not associated with a
company intranet for business. There will be NO STREAMING, NO
DOWNLOADING, NO VoIP including Skype, NO video or audio webcams, and the
long list of things like tethered devices to laptops/pcs (sic) or "Other
Equipment", whatever that means. ATT also reserves the right to LIMIT
THROUGHPUT OR AMOUNT OF DATA TRANSFERRED. Read that 5GB to 10GB/month,
just like Verizon Wireless. Their system just couldn't supply TV-Radio-
Movies over EDGE to a bunch of iPhone customers. Remember: "AT&T Means
Business"....not individuals. Your downloading will be different from
Apple's or Job's...(c;

The hawkers, like USA Today, Cnet, etc., need to be really careful to not
promise them they're going to be watching Harry Potter over AT&T
Wireless, because they're NOT! The ad hype means nothing....this legal
webpage at ATT is Gospel....

Larry
--
http://www.spp.gov/
The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP

rocxspam <[email protected]> wrote in news:4683af9d$0$24789
[email protected]:

> BTW, the 8gb model at $599, rounded to nearest 100 works out to $600
> (for whomever objected to that number ;-)

Where I live, it means $US643.93 with tax....(c;

Larry
--
http://www.spp.gov/
The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP

Larry <[email protected]> wrote
> [email protected] wrote in news:1183034546.812603.294380
> @a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
>
>>> Apple owns all control over the iPhone, all control over the fast
>>> portion of the network, only ATT can tie people into obsolete "out
>>> of range of 802.11" / "minute plans" but DATA and everything else,
>>> Apple controls.
>>>
>>
>> Good. The cell phone companies here suck (in terms of freedom/
>> features) compared to most
>> of western Europe, it seems.
>>
>
> This is just NOT so. ATT controls, with their iPhone Terms of Use,
> all aspects of data downloaded/uploaded to its system,

No it doesnt with what is done using wifi. ATT gets not say what so even on that.

> not Apple or Stevie Wonderboy. One must, of course, read the long document and,
> removing the advertising rose glasses, read what it says in detail:
> http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/ar...hone-terms.jsp
> particularly that part that says:

> "Prohibited and Permissible Uses: Data Service sessions

Thats over their EDGE network, not using wifi.

> may be conducted only for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing;
> (ii) email; and (iii) corporate intranet access (including access to
> corporate email, customer relationship management, sales force
> automation, and field service automation applications). PROHIBITED
> USES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO, USING SERVICES: (I) WITH SERVER
> DEVICES OR WITH HOST COMPUTER APPLICATIONS, INCLUDING, WITHOUT
> LIMITATION, WEB CAMERA POSTS OR BROADCASTS, CONTINUOUS JPEG FILE
> TRANSFERS, AUTOMATIC DATA FEEDS, TELEMETRY APPLICATIONS, PEER-TO-PEER
> (P2P) FILE SHARING, AUTOMATED FUNCTIONS OR ANY OTHER
> MACHINE-TO-MACHINE APPLICATIONS; (II) AS SUBSTITUTE OR BACKUP FOR
> PRIVATE LINES OR DEDICATED DATA CONNECTIONS; (III) FOR VOICE OVER IP;
> (IV) IN CONJUNCTION WITH WWAN OR OTHER APPLICATIONS OR DEVICES WHICH
> AGGREGATE USAGE FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES PRIOR TO TRANSMISSION; (V)
> USING THE SERVICES FOR ANY ACTIVITY THAT ADVERSELY AFFECTS THE
> ABILITY OF OTHER PEOPLE OR SYSTEMS TO USE EITHER THE SERVICES OR
> OTHER PARTIES' INTERNET-BASED RESOURCES INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO
> EXCESSIVE CONSUMPTION OF NETWORK OR SYSTEM RESOURCES (WHETHER
> INTENTIONAL OR UNINTENTIONAL) AND "DENIAL OF SERVICE" (DOS) ATTACKS
> AGAINST ANOTHER NETWORK HOST OR INDIVIDUAL USER; OR (VI) INTERFERENCE
> WITH OR DISRUPTION OF OTHER NETWORK USERS, NETWORK SERVICES OR
> NETWORK EQUIPMENT. EXCEPT FOR CONTENT FORMATTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH
> AT&T'S CONTENT STANDARDS, UNLIMITED PLANS CANNOT BE USED FOR
> UPLOADING, DOWNLOADING OR STREAMING OF VIDEO CONTENT (E.G. MOVIES,
> TV), MUSIC OR GAMES. FURTHERMORE, UNLIMITED PLANS (EXCEPT FOR
> DATACONNECT AND BLACKBERRY TETHERED) CANNOT BE USED FOR ANY
> APPLICATIONS THAT TETHER THE DEVICE (THROUGH USE OF, INCLUDING
> WITHOUT LIMITATION, CONNECTION KITS, OTHER PHONE/PDA-TO-COMPUTER
> ACCESSORIES, BLUETOOTH® OR ANY OTHER WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY) TO LAPTOPS,
> PCS, OR OTHER EQUIPMENT FOR ANY PURPOSE. Service is not intended to
> provide full-time connections, and the Service may be discontinued
> after a significant period of inactivity or after sessions of
> excessive usage. AT&T reserves the right to (i) limit throughput or
> amount of data transferred, deny Service and/or terminate Service,
> without notice, to anyone it believes is using the Service in any
> manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts its network
> or service levels or hinders access to its network and (ii) protect
> its network from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows. You
> may not send solicitations to AT&T subscribers without their consent.
> You may not use the Services other than as intended by AT&T and
> applicable law. Plans are for individual, non- commercial use only
> and are not for resale."
>
> WEBPAGES - EMAIL ONLY for individual customers not associated with a
> company intranet for business. There will be NO STREAMING, NO
> DOWNLOADING, NO VoIP including Skype, NO video or audio webcams, and
> the long list of things like tethered devices to laptops/pcs (sic) or
> "Other Equipment", whatever that means. ATT also reserves the right
> to LIMIT THROUGHPUT OR AMOUNT OF DATA TRANSFERRED. Read that 5GB to
> 10GB/month, just like Verizon Wireless. Their system just couldn't
> supply TV-Radio- Movies over EDGE to a bunch of iPhone customers.
> Remember: "AT&T Means Business"....not individuals. Your
> downloading will be different from Apple's or Job's...(c;
>
> The hawkers, like USA Today, Cnet, etc., need to be really careful to
> not promise them they're going to be watching Harry Potter over AT&T
> Wireless, because they're NOT! The ad hype means nothing....this
> legal webpage at ATT is Gospel....

Pity its not as absolute as you claim at the top.

Larry wrote:
> rocxspam <[email protected]> wrote in news:4683af9d$0$24789
> [email protected]:
>
>> BTW, the 8gb model at $599, rounded to nearest 100 works out to $600
>> (for whomever objected to that number ;-)
>
> Where I live, it means $US643.93 with tax....(c;
>
> Larry
Still, that is WITH a plan, right?

Oh well, not interested in a mini Macpod-phone on a crappy network
anyway. Why is this crossposted to the alt.cellular.verizon group
(where I found this topic)?


ROC

rocx <[email protected]> wrote in news:46846aa0$0$14955
[email protected]:

> Why is this crossposted to the alt.cellular.verizon group
> (where I found this topic)?
>

It's where I found it, too. It was, as usual, done as a troll, but it is
relevant to any cellular/PCS newsgroups as it will change the whole
industry if Apple can make it stick in its current hobbled up form.

I've read some blogs about V2 and V3 having new features.

Very little has been said about "This iPhone is NOT UPGRADABLE" as I've
read in many places. Not only can't you change the battery pack, you
can't upgrade the firmware/features according to many reports I've seen.

Reminds me of BASIC in ROM...(c;


Larry
--
http://www.spp.gov/
The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP

Larry <[email protected]> wrote
> rocx <[email protected]> wrote

>> Why is this crossposted to the alt.cellular.verizon group
>> (where I found this topic)?

> It's where I found it, too. It was, as usual, done as a troll, but it is
> relevant to any cellular/PCS newsgroups as it will change the whole
> industry if Apple can make it stick in its current hobbled up form.

I doubt it. Even the pure touch screen approach has been pretty
common from others long before the iphone ever showed up.

The most that might happen is that a few ideas might be seen
first with the iphone and be seen on other stuff later, but thats
been true with the whole industry for a long time now.

> I've read some blogs about V2 and V3 having new features.

> Very little has been said about "This iPhone is NOT UPGRADABLE" as
> I've read in many places. Not only can't you change the battery pack, you
> can't upgrade the firmware/features according to many reports I've seen.

I find that a bit hard to believe, particularly with faults in the original.

> Reminds me of BASIC in ROM...(c;

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> rocx <[email protected]> wrote in news:46846aa0$0$14955
> [email protected]:
>
> > Why is this crossposted to the alt.cellular.verizon group
> > (where I found this topic)?
> >
>
> It's where I found it, too. It was, as usual, done as a troll, but it is
> relevant to any cellular/PCS newsgroups as it will change the whole
> industry if Apple can make it stick in its current hobbled up form.
>
> I've read some blogs about V2 and V3 having new features.
>
> Very little has been said about "This iPhone is NOT UPGRADABLE" as I've
> read in many places. Not only can't you change the battery pack, you
> can't upgrade the firmware/features according to many reports I've seen.
>
> Reminds me of BASIC in ROM...(c;

Huh? All the iPhone's software is going to be sitting in flash memory,
and I'm sure Apple will be able to upgrade it through iTunes as easily
as they upgrade iPods. Easy software upgradability is probably one of
Apple's big advantages here. Most other phone vendors have to go through
the carriers every time they want to push out an upgrade.

Anyway, Apple has explicitly said they're planning to push out software
upgrades for the iPhone. They say this has some accounting implications,
so they mentioned it a while back as part of their financial disclosures.

--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006

"SoCalCommie" <[email protected]> wrote:

> The article has some mis-information. AT&T DOES have 3G (and 3.5G)
> service. Crapple's iPhone just doesn't support it (EDGE only).

but in only 35 cities, instead of 14,000 for 2.5G - do the math and
THINK.

Nobody is going to want G anything anyway, so not sure why this is even
a point.

12 hours to go and T Mobile runs their first TV AD that says, the FIRST
mobile phone to work over WiFi!

OH MY GOD THAT IS FUNNY.

They are scared since they KNOW WiFi is how all phones will work within
5 years, for FREE!

Bye bye Cell Companies...

The computer industry is going to STEAM ROLL YOU starting at 6pm local
time.

rocx <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Where I live, it means $US643.93 with tax....(c;
> >
> > Larry
> Still, that is WITH a plan, right?
>
> Oh well, not interested in a mini Macpod-phone on a crappy network
> anyway. Why is this crossposted to the alt.cellular.verizon group
> (where I found this topic)?

you only use the ATT data network if you are desperate, 99% of the time
you are going to use a regular 802.11 network.

SoCalCommie wrote:
> No. You'll use the AT&T data network if you're IN MOTION...
>
> SoCalCommie
>
> "The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot
> is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud
> of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a
> feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance
> that leads to war." - Sidney J. Harris
>
> "none" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> you only use the ATT data network if you are desperate, 99% of the
> time
>> you are going to use a regular 802.11 network.
>
>
Anyway, I was referring to the voice network. Thought ATT&T/Cingular
was still behind Verizon's (my wife's family in Northern Virginia seems
to have more trouble on their Cinglular phones making calls when away
from the "beaten path" vs our Verizon phones). Any changes with that
situation?

ROC

No. You'll use the AT&T data network if you're IN MOTION...

SoCalCommie

"The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot
is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud
of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a
feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance
that leads to war." - Sidney J. Harris

"none" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> you only use the ATT data network if you are desperate, 99% of the
time
> you are going to use a regular 802.11 network.