iPhone will never run VoIP or streaming!

It took a little digging, just like it does on Verizon, but here's why
the Iphone for $600 will ONLY do webpages and email:

From ATT's legaleze on:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...plan-terms.jsp

"Prohibited and Permissible Uses: Data Service sessions may be conducted
only for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and
(iii) corporate intranet access (including access to corporate email,
customer relationship management, sales force automation, and field
service automation applications). PROHIBITED USES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT
LIMITED TO, USING SERVICES: (I) WITH SERVER DEVICES OR WITH HOST COMPUTER
APPLICATIONS, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WEB CAMERA POSTS OR
BROADCASTS, CONTINUOUS JPEG FILE TRANSFERS, AUTOMATIC DATA FEEDS,
TELEMETRY APPLICATIONS, PEER-TO-PEER (P2P) FILE SHARING, AUTOMATED
FUNCTIONS OR ANY OTHER MACHINE-TO-MACHINE APPLICATIONS; (II) AS
SUBSTITUTE OR BACKUP FOR PRIVATE LINES OR DEDICATED DATA CONNECTIONS;
(III) FOR VOICE OVER IP; (IV) IN CONJUNCTION WITH WWAN OR OTHER
APPLICATIONS OR DEVICES WHICH AGGREGATE USAGE FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES PRIOR
TO TRANSMISSION; (V) USING THE SERVICES FOR ANY ACTIVITY THAT ADVERSELY
AFFECTS THE ABILITY OF OTHER PEOPLE OR SYSTEMS TO USE EITHER THE SERVICES
OR OTHER PARTIES' INTERNET-BASED RESOURCES INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO
EXCESSIVE CONSUMPTION OF NETWORK OR SYSTEM RESOURCES (WHETHER INTENTIONAL
OR UNINTENTIONAL) AND "DENIAL OF SERVICE" (DOS) ATTACKS AGAINST ANOTHER
NETWORK HOST OR INDIVIDUAL USER; OR (VI) INTERFERENCE WITH OR DISRUPTION
OF OTHER NETWORK USERS, NETWORK SERVICES OR NETWORK EQUIPMENT. EXCEPT FOR
CONTENT FORMATTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH AT&T'S WIRELESS CONTENT STANDARDS,
UNLIMITED PLANS CANNOT BE USED FOR UPLOADING, DOWNLOADING OR STREAMING OF
VIDEO CONTENT (E.G. MOVIES, TV), MUSIC OR GAMES. FURTHERMORE, UNLIMITED
PLANS (EXCEPT FOR DATACONNECT AND BLACKBERRY TETHERED) CANNOT BE USED FOR
ANY APPLICATIONS THAT TETHER THE DEVICE (THROUGH USE OF, INCLUDING
WITHOUT LIMITATION, CONNECTION KITS, OTHER PHONE/PDA-TO-COMPUTER
ACCESSORIES, BLUETOOTH® OR ANY OTHER WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY) TO LAPTOPS,
PCS, OR OTHER EQUIPMENT FOR ANY PURPOSE. Service is not intended to
provide full-time connections, and the Service may be discontinued after
a significant period of inactivity or after sessions of excessive usage.
AT&T reserves the right to (i) limit throughput or amount of data
transferred, deny Service and/or terminate Service, without notice, to
anyone it believes is using the Service in any manner prohibited above or
whose usage adversely impacts its wireless network or service levels or
hinders access to its wireless network and (ii) protect its wireless
network from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows. You may not
send solicitations to AT&T's wireless subscribers without their consent.
You may not use the Services other than as intended by AT&T and
applicable law. Plans are for individual, non-commercial use only and are
not for resale."

As you can see, just like the rest of cellular, ATT will NOT allow any
kind of video, streaming, VoIP, downloading (except iTunes I suppose) or
any other REAL internet usage over your new $600 iPhone.

Do you REALLY want a $600 web browser and email machine?

Verizon Wireless finally *****ed out how much is too much at 5GB/month,
$12/GB, which is obscene. I don't see this wording on ATT, which makes
it arbitrary where the line is. If Miss Tomlin (of the telephone
company) sees your downloading, YOU'RE TOAST!...(c;

I bet this obviously limited data service DOESN'T include Steve Jobs or
Apple Executives at demos.....(c;

Larry
--
Well, at LEAST it does WIFI so it might have SOME use.....
Cellular EVDO or not....that's USELESS...same old defecant, new name....

We'll now hear from those that think this means nothing and you can use
your new iPhone any ol' way you want....which is just NOT true.

READ THE FINE PRINT, PEOPLE! ALL OF IT! (EVEN THE FONT IS TINY!)

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Larry <[email protected]> wrote in news:Xns995CC1F694C91noonehomecom@
208.49.80.253:

> From ATT's legaleze on:
> http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...plan-terms.jsp
>

Coming in another door in the maze, I found the SAME JARGON on the
SPECIAL IPHONE TERMS OF USE webpage:

http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/ar...hone-terms.jsp

Just like a Blackberry or your 8Ghz, 4.2TB laptop....WEBPAGES, EMAIL,
COMPANY INTRANET ONLY! No streaming, no downloading, no sharing, no
bluetooth-to-my-mainframe, and, GOD NO SKYPE!

Ye'll chop off y'er HEAD! Ye will!

Larry
--
http://www.spp.gov/
The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP

Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> It took a little digging, just like it does on Verizon, but here's why
> the Iphone for $600 will ONLY do webpages and email:

So FUNNY... thanks for post this... It's funny since Apple didn't allow
ATT any control over the iPhone. ATT basically holds an "empty bag" and
Steve completely tricked them, now it's too late, ATT has been screwed.

Apple owns all control over the iPhone, all control over the fast
portion of the network, only ATT can tie people into obsolete "out of
range of 802.11" / "minute plans" but DATA and everything else, Apple
controls.

This ranks right up there with MS screwing over IBM, congrats to Apple.

(att's worthless / pointless legal statement clipped)

> As you can see, just like the rest of cellular, ATT will NOT allow any
> kind of video, streaming, VoIP, downloading (except iTunes I suppose) or
> any other REAL internet usage over your new $600 iPhone.

But that's only on THEIR old EDGE network, nobody in their right mind is
going to be using that unless they are out in a corn field somewhere.

(the iPhone is $499, not $600, please update your notes)

> Do you REALLY want a $600 web browser and email machine?

Not if it's through ATT! but a $499 phone that freely connects to the
Web, does email, makes free phone calls, etc, etc... sure! ATT is just a
stupid pawn in the game at this point.

> Verizon Wireless finally *****ed out how much is too much at 5GB/month,
> $12/GB, which is obscene. I don't see this wording on ATT, which makes
> it arbitrary where the line is. If Miss Tomlin (of the telephone
> company) sees your downloading, YOU'RE TOAST!...(c;

But again, that is ONLY if you are on their network, which very few
iPhone users will be... You need to understand the iPhone comes from the
COMPUTER world, where "fees" for metered bandwidth are NOT TOLERATED.

> I bet this obviously limited data service DOESN'T include Steve Jobs or
> Apple Executives at demos.....(c;

Yep, ATT got tricked by Steve, so it's funny to see how bad ATT lost.

-

Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> > From ATT's legaleze on:
> > http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...plan-terms.jsp
>
> Coming in another door in the maze, I found the SAME JARGON on the
> SPECIAL IPHONE TERMS OF USE webpage:
>
> http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/ar...hone-terms.jsp

Again, TOO FUNNY, they honestly don't have a clue what they have agreed
to. Apple owns the iPhone lock stock and barrel, ATT has no control over
ANYTHING with the iPhone except the cell contract. So ATT is screwed for
the first time in their Cell Phone lives, they don't have a chance to
control what Steve turns future iPhones into...

> Just like a Blackberry or your 8Ghz, 4.2TB laptop....WEBPAGES, EMAIL,
> COMPANY INTRANET ONLY! No streaming, no downloading, no sharing, no
> bluetooth-to-my-mainframe, and, GOD NO SKYPE!
>
> Ye'll chop off y'er HEAD! Ye will!

Yep, cute... and blackberry doesn't have control over their own product,
since they signed their future away to ATT.

This is shaping up to be a 1981, MS/IBM agreement all over again. BG:
"sure I'll sell you MS-DOS for $60" (or whatever) but I retain rights to
the software (as his dad told him) then, IBM later in 1986 says, oh my
GOD, we don't control MS-Dos? ****! Now we don't control Windows, ****,
now OS/2 is HISTORY, ****. IBM leaves the entire market in 2004 or so.

The same thing is now going to happen to ATT, they signed a deal with
the devil, the devil that wants the best for consumers, not any self
interest.

Karma just killed ATT, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, good riddance!

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:59:59 +0000, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

>It took a little digging, just like it does on Verizon, but here's why
>the Iphone for $600 will ONLY do webpages and email:


What do you think Youtube is?


>
>From ATT's legaleze on:
>http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...plan-terms.jsp
>
>"Prohibited and Permissible Uses: Data Service sessions may be conducted
>only for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and
>(iii) corporate intranet access (including access to corporate email,
>customer relationship management, sales force automation, and field
>service automation applications). PROHIBITED USES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT
>LIMITED TO, USING SERVICES: (I) WITH SERVER DEVICES OR WITH HOST COMPUTER
>APPLICATIONS, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WEB CAMERA POSTS OR
>BROADCASTS, CONTINUOUS JPEG FILE TRANSFERS, AUTOMATIC DATA FEEDS,
>TELEMETRY APPLICATIONS, PEER-TO-PEER (P2P) FILE SHARING, AUTOMATED
>FUNCTIONS OR ANY OTHER MACHINE-TO-MACHINE APPLICATIONS; (II) AS
>SUBSTITUTE OR BACKUP FOR PRIVATE LINES OR DEDICATED DATA CONNECTIONS;
>(III) FOR VOICE OVER IP; (IV) IN CONJUNCTION WITH WWAN OR OTHER
>APPLICATIONS OR DEVICES WHICH AGGREGATE USAGE FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES PRIOR
>TO TRANSMISSION; (V) USING THE SERVICES FOR ANY ACTIVITY THAT ADVERSELY
>AFFECTS THE ABILITY OF OTHER PEOPLE OR SYSTEMS TO USE EITHER THE SERVICES
>OR OTHER PARTIES' INTERNET-BASED RESOURCES INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO
>EXCESSIVE CONSUMPTION OF NETWORK OR SYSTEM RESOURCES (WHETHER INTENTIONAL
>OR UNINTENTIONAL) AND "DENIAL OF SERVICE" (DOS) ATTACKS AGAINST ANOTHER
>NETWORK HOST OR INDIVIDUAL USER; OR (VI) INTERFERENCE WITH OR DISRUPTION
>OF OTHER NETWORK USERS, NETWORK SERVICES OR NETWORK EQUIPMENT. EXCEPT FOR
>CONTENT FORMATTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH AT&T'S WIRELESS CONTENT STANDARDS,
>UNLIMITED PLANS CANNOT BE USED FOR UPLOADING, DOWNLOADING OR STREAMING OF
>VIDEO CONTENT (E.G. MOVIES, TV), MUSIC OR GAMES. FURTHERMORE, UNLIMITED
>PLANS (EXCEPT FOR DATACONNECT AND BLACKBERRY TETHERED) CANNOT BE USED FOR
>ANY APPLICATIONS THAT TETHER THE DEVICE (THROUGH USE OF, INCLUDING
>WITHOUT LIMITATION, CONNECTION KITS, OTHER PHONE/PDA-TO-COMPUTER
>ACCESSORIES, BLUETOOTH® OR ANY OTHER WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY) TO LAPTOPS,
>PCS, OR OTHER EQUIPMENT FOR ANY PURPOSE. Service is not intended to
>provide full-time connections, and the Service may be discontinued after
>a significant period of inactivity or after sessions of excessive usage.
>AT&T reserves the right to (i) limit throughput or amount of data
>transferred, deny Service and/or terminate Service, without notice, to
>anyone it believes is using the Service in any manner prohibited above or
>whose usage adversely impacts its wireless network or service levels or
>hinders access to its wireless network and (ii) protect its wireless
>network from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows. You may not
>send solicitations to AT&T's wireless subscribers without their consent.
>You may not use the Services other than as intended by AT&T and
>applicable law. Plans are for individual, non-commercial use only and are
>not for resale."
>
>As you can see, just like the rest of cellular, ATT will NOT allow any
>kind of video, streaming, VoIP, downloading (except iTunes I suppose) or
>any other REAL internet usage over your new $600 iPhone.
>
>Do you REALLY want a $600 web browser and email machine?
>
>Verizon Wireless finally *****ed out how much is too much at 5GB/month,
>$12/GB, which is obscene. I don't see this wording on ATT, which makes
>it arbitrary where the line is. If Miss Tomlin (of the telephone
>company) sees your downloading, YOU'RE TOAST!...(c;
>
>I bet this obviously limited data service DOESN'T include Steve Jobs or
>Apple Executives at demos.....(c;
>
>Larry

> Yep, ATT got tricked by Steve, so it's funny to see how bad ATT lost.


Really? I'll admit I don't know much about this deal, but I though you
still had to pay AT&T a voice AND data plan for each iPhone, so
whether you use the at&T data, or 802.11 you ARE going to pay AT&T for
both data and voice...

Plus, where do you see the details between the Apple and AT&T
contract, or are you just making that up?

Oxford wrote:
> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> From ATT's legaleze on:
>>> http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...plan-terms.jsp
>> Coming in another door in the maze, I found the SAME JARGON on the
>> SPECIAL IPHONE TERMS OF USE webpage:
>>
>> http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/ar...hone-terms.jsp
>
> Again, TOO FUNNY, they honestly don't have a clue what they have agreed
> to. Apple owns the iPhone lock stock and barrel, ATT has no control over
> ANYTHING with the iPhone except the cell contract. So ATT is screwed for
> the first time in their Cell Phone lives, they don't have a chance to
> control what Steve turns future iPhones into...
>
>> Just like a Blackberry or your 8Ghz, 4.2TB laptop....WEBPAGES, EMAIL,
>> COMPANY INTRANET ONLY! No streaming, no downloading, no sharing, no
>> bluetooth-to-my-mainframe, and, GOD NO SKYPE!
>>
>> Ye'll chop off y'er HEAD! Ye will!
>
> Yep, cute... and blackberry doesn't have control over their own product,
> since they signed their future away to ATT.
>
> This is shaping up to be a 1981, MS/IBM agreement all over again. BG:
> "sure I'll sell you MS-DOS for $60" (or whatever) but I retain rights to
> the software (as his dad told him) then, IBM later in 1986 says, oh my
> GOD, we don't control MS-Dos? ****! Now we don't control Windows, ****,
> now OS/2 is HISTORY, ****. IBM leaves the entire market in 2004 or so.
>
> The same thing is now going to happen to ATT, they signed a deal with
> the devil, the devil that wants the best for consumers, not any self
> interest.
>
> Karma just killed ATT, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, good riddance!

Karma is only going to kill the cell companies' business model of
controlled portal content -- *if* the iPhone lives up to its hype for
consumers.

Q

Larry wrote:
> It took a little digging, just like it does on Verizon, but here's why
> the Iphone for $600 will ONLY do webpages and email:
>
> From ATT's legaleze on:
> http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...plan-terms.jsp
>
> ".... PROHIBITED USES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT
> LIMITED TO, ... (III) FOR VOICE OVER IP;

So you are not allowed to use the cellular
airtime for VOIP. Why would anyone want to?

IANAL* but I am fairly confident no court would enforce
that against WiFi Skyping.

*Yes, I can be anal, but also I Am Not A Lawyer.

--
Wes Groleau

Always listen to experts. They'll tell you
what can't be done and why. Then do it.
-- Robert A. Heinlein

jerryeveretts <[email protected]> wrote:

> Really? I'll admit I don't know much about this deal, but I though you
> still had to pay AT&T a voice AND data plan for each iPhone, so
> whether you use the at&T data, or 802.11 you ARE going to pay AT&T for
> both data and voice...

yes, for 1 day and $175 to break the contract, or 24 months, but then
the iPhone is completely free of ATT.

> Plus, where do you see the details between the Apple and AT&T
> contract, or are you just making that up?

http://www.apple.com/iphone/easysetup/rateplans.html

http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiphone/activation.html

In article <[email protected]>,
jerryeveretts <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Yep, ATT got tricked by Steve, so it's funny to see how bad ATT lost.
>
>
> Really? I'll admit I don't know much about this deal, but I though you
> still had to pay AT&T a voice AND data plan for each iPhone, so
> whether you use the at&T data, or 802.11 you ARE going to pay AT&T for
> both data and voice...

You can get an iPhone with any AT&T plan, actually, so you don't
strictly need to have a data plan.

> Plus, where do you see the details between the Apple and AT&T
> contract, or are you just making that up?

--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> It took a little digging, just like it does on Verizon, but here's why
> the Iphone for $600 will ONLY do webpages and email:
>
> From ATT's legaleze on:
> http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...plan-terms.jsp
>
> "Prohibited and Permissible Uses: Data Service

These are the terms of use for AT&T's data services. Any use of Skype,
etc. would obviously be over WiFi, not over AT&T's network.

It remains to be seen how hackable the iPhone is, of course, but what
you've posted here doesn't represent any kind of barrier.

[snip]

--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006

[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> What do you think Youtube is?
>

I think it's streaming content, but it matters not what I think, or
you.....

It matters what ATT's network people think.

Larry
--
http://www.spp.gov/
The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP

"ZnU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> jerryeveretts <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > Yep, ATT got tricked by Steve, so it's funny to see how bad ATT lost.
>>
>>
>> Really? I'll admit I don't know much about this deal, but I though you
>> still had to pay AT&T a voice AND data plan for each iPhone, so
>> whether you use the at&T data, or 802.11 you ARE going to pay AT&T for
>> both data and voice...
>
> You can get an iPhone with any AT&T plan, actually, so you don't
> strictly need to have a data plan.

incorrect.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/easysetup/rateplans.html

On Jun 27, 4:56 pm, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> > It took a little digging, just like it does on Verizon, but here's why
> > the Iphone for $600 will ONLY do webpages and email:
>
> So FUNNY... thanks for post this... It's funny since Apple didn't allow
> ATT any control over the iPhone. ATT basically holds an "empty bag" and
> Steve completely tricked them, now it's too late, ATT has been screwed.
>
> Apple owns all control over the iPhone, all control over the fast
> portion of the network, only ATT can tie people into obsolete "out of
> range of 802.11" / "minute plans" but DATA and everything else, Apple
> controls.
>

Good. The cell phone companies here suck (in terms of freedom/
features) compared to most
of western Europe, it seems.

> This ranks right up there with MS screwing over IBM, congrats to Apple.
>

Now if the other manufacturers would just grow a pair and do the same
thing. Infact,
all electronic companies need to do that and tell Hollywood to accept
or **** off instead
of kowtowing to their demands for companies to cripple their own
products with DRM
and other such crap.

ZnU wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>It took a little digging, just like it does on Verizon, but here's why
>>the Iphone for $600 will ONLY do webpages and email:
>>
>>From ATT's legaleze on:
>>http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...plan-terms.jsp
>>
>>"Prohibited and Permissible Uses: Data Service
>
>
> These are the terms of use for AT&T's data services. Any use of Skype,
> etc. would obviously be over WiFi, not over AT&T's network.
>
> It remains to be seen how hackable the iPhone is, of course, but what
> you've posted here doesn't represent any kind of barrier.
>
> [snip]
>
One more interesting observation on this non-Verizon device:

"Apple takes a gamble with restrictive iPhone options -
Success of the device might hinge on what it lacks"


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...Story/Business

BTW, the 8gb model at $599, rounded to nearest 100 works out to $600
(for whomever objected to that number ;-) - interesting to know what the
unsubsidized price (without contract) would be...

ROC