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  1. #1
    Radium
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    On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote in
    http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...e614fe3?hl=en&
    :

    > Radium <[email protected]> hath wroth:


    > >On Jul 1, 7:24 am, [email protected] wrote in
    > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...


    > >> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?


    > >Digital cell phones should stop using the compression they use and
    > >start using monaural WMA compression with a CBR of 20 kbps or less and
    > >a sample rate of at least 44.1 KHz.


    > Very roughly, the current 8Kbits/sec encoding rate,
    > compared to your 44Kbit/sec, will only handle about 1/5th the number
    > of users.


    Who said anything about 44Kbit/sec?

    The bit-rate of my WMA CBR is 20Kbit/sec or less.

    > >1. In its uncompressed form, the audio must have a bit-resolution of
    > >at least 16-bit


    > The encoding resolution is not changed by compression. If you encode
    > something with 16 bit resolution, and compress it, you still have 16
    > bit data coming out. It's the data rate or thruput that changes with
    > compression.


    Okay.

    > >2. The sample-rate of the compressed and the uncompressed version of
    > >the audio must be the same.


    > Not possible. If the rate in and rate out are identical, then there's
    > no compression happening.


    Yes it is possible and it is compression. The uncompressed audio is a
    monaural linear PCM at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a 16-bit-resolution
    -- this audio has a bit-rate of 705.6 kbps. The compressed audio is a
    monaural CBR WMA at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a bit-rate of 20 kbps or
    less.

    Where/when is there any change in sample-rate?????????

    There is definitely a change in bit-rate. However, that is totally
    different from the sample-rate. Totally.

    BIT-rate and SAMPLE-rate are two completely different things.

    In linear PCM audio:

    BIT-rate = SAMPLE-rate X bit-resolution X number of channels

    Stereo has two channels. Mono has one channel.

    44,100 Hz X 16-bit X 1 channel = 705,600 bps




    See More: How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.




  2. #2
    Kurt
    Guest

    Re: How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Radium <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote in
    > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...c79e614fe3?hl=
    > en&
    > :
    >
    > > Radium <[email protected]> hath wroth:

    >
    > > >On Jul 1, 7:24 am, [email protected] wrote in
    > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...

    >
    > > >> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

    >

    I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
    phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
    their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.

    I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

    --
    To reply by email, remove the word "space"



  3. #3
    Brenda Ann
    Guest

    Re: How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.


    "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.


    You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
    only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
    other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
    plan). ?






  4. #4
    Madhav \DogFocker\ Acharya
    Guest

    Re: How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

    On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:58:53 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote:

    > "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

    >
    > You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
    > only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
    > other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
    > plan). ?


    Thx.

    --
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    cell:813-610-2978; work:813-386-4500; work2:813-915-1663
    Motto: Why face the world myself when my wife's skirt, it is so dark and
    comfy under it?
    Proclamation: "A man can have sex with sheep, cows and camels and so on.
    However, he
    should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the
    meat to the people in Nepal; Ok I did so beat me with a Yeti dick.



  5. #5
    Don Bowey
    Guest

    Re: How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

    On 7/21/07 1:58 AM, in article
    [email protected], "Brenda Ann"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

    >
    > You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
    > only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
    > other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
    > plan). ?
    >
    >
    >


    I wouldn't want facts to get in the way of your rant, but you really seem to
    be misinformed or don't care for the facts.




  6. #6
    Don Bowey
    Guest

    Re: How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

    On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
    [email protected], "Kurt"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Radium <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote in
    >>

    http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e614fe3?hl>>
    =
    >> en&
    >> :
    >>
    >>> Radium <[email protected]> hath wroth:

    >>
    >>>> On Jul 1, 7:24 am, [email protected] wrote in
    >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...

    >>
    >>>>> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

    >>

    > I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
    > phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
    > their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.


    Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
    an idiot.

    >
    > I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.


    You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
    something they forced you to buy?




  7. #7
    Kurt
    Guest

    Re: How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

    In article <C2C76B2D.70C11%[email protected]>,
    Don Bowey <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
    > [email protected], "Kurt"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > Radium <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote in
    > >>

    > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e614fe3?hl>
    > >

    > =
    > >> en&
    > >> :
    > >>
    > >>> Radium <[email protected]> hath wroth:
    > >>
    > >>>> On Jul 1, 7:24 am, [email protected] wrote in
    > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...
    > >>
    > >>>>> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?
    > >>

    > > I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
    > > phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
    > > their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.

    >
    > Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
    > an idiot.
    >
    > >
    > > I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

    >
    > You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
    > something they forced you to buy?


    You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
    Why the iPod?

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  8. #8
    Don Bowey
    Guest

    Re: How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

    On 7/21/07 9:28 AM, in article
    [email protected], "Kurt"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <C2C76B2D.70C11%[email protected]>,
    > Don Bowey <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
    >> [email protected], "Kurt"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> In article <[email protected]>,
    >>> Radium <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote in
    >>>>

    >>

    http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e614fe3?hl>>
    >
    >>>

    >> =
    >>>> en&
    >>>> :
    >>>>
    >>>>> Radium <[email protected]> hath wroth:
    >>>>
    >>>>>> On Jul 1, 7:24 am, [email protected] wrote in
    >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...
    >>>>
    >>>>>>> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?
    >>>>
    >>> I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
    >>> phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
    >>> their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.

    >>
    >> Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
    >> an idiot.
    >>
    >>>
    >>> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

    >>
    >> You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
    >> something they forced you to buy?

    >
    > You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
    > Why the iPod?


    Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
    wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

    The iPod's success is from Apple having a top-notch product line with good
    features, and cool looks. And people should not overlook, but often do,
    iTunes. It is iTunes that makes the iPod easy to use, giving it easy
    access to their CD and MP3 music regardless of where they buy it. People
    who don't want an iPod can still use the free iTunes to good advantage.

    Apple doesn't make anyone do anything.

    So, what was your point?

    Don




  9. #9
    Kurt Ullman
    Guest

    Re: How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

    In article <C2C78F75.70C91%[email protected]>,
    Don Bowey <[email protected]> wrote:


    > > You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
    > > Why the iPod?

    >
    > Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
    > wanting a very cool instrument with good features.


    Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
    public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
    this as a positive.



  10. #10
    Don Bowey
    Guest

    Re: How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

    On 7/21/07 11:00 AM, in article
    [email protected],
    "Kurt Ullman" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <C2C78F75.70C91%[email protected]>,
    > Don Bowey <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>> You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
    >>> Why the iPod?

    >>
    >> Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
    >> wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

    >
    > Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
    > public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
    > this as a positive.


    You are reading in something I did not say.

    The iPhone is off to a great start, but it has no track record at this time.
    I anticipate that it will be very successful, but we can only guess at it
    now. From an investor point-of-view, I think the monthly kickback from AT&T
    that Apple negotiated, is good. From a personal POV I think it sucks, and
    will likely antagonize Apple supporters.




  11. #11
    RHF
    Guest

    Re: How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

    On Jul 21, 10:24 am, Don Bowey <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On 7/21/07 9:28 AM, in article
    > [email protected], "Kurt"
    >
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > In article <C2C76B2D.70C11%[email protected]>,
    > > Don Bowey <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > >> On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
    > >> [email protected], "Kurt"
    > >> <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > >>> In article <[email protected]>,
    > >>> Radium <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > >>>> On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote in

    >
    > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e6...>>
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > >> =
    > >>>> en&
    > >>>> :

    >
    > >>>>> Radium <[email protected]> hath wroth:

    >
    > >>>>>> On Jul 1, 7:24 am, [email protected] wrote in
    > >>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...

    >
    > >>>>>>> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

    >
    > >>> I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
    > >>> phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
    > >>> their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.

    >
    > >> Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
    > >> an idiot.

    >
    > >>> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

    >
    > >> You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
    > >> something they forced you to buy?

    >
    > > You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
    > > Why the iPod?

    >
    > Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
    > wanting a very cool instrument with good features.


    Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success {?}
    is due to people wanting {Gotto Have the Latest} a very cool
    instrument {Newest Bells and Whistles} with good features
    {of Questionable Utlity}.

    -RANT-
    While Senior Citzens like myself with Tired Old Eyes
    and Big Old Fingers just want a basic CellPhone that
    we can use without our Glasses like the "JitterBug" .
    http://www.firststreetonline.com/pro...78&PID=1583978
    Why doesn't AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc
    offer a CellPhone designed for Senior Citizens and the
    Visually Limited-Impaired like the "JitterBug" ?
    Here is where the ADA Laws should apply and force
    the Cellphone providers to design and market these
    Cellphone to Seniors with needs. -end-rant- ~ RHF

    >
    > The iPod's success is from Apple having a top-notch product line with good
    > features, and cool looks. And people should not overlook, but often do,
    > iTunes. It is iTunes that makes the iPod easy to use, giving it easy
    > access to their CD and MP3 music regardless of where they buy it. People
    > who don't want an iPod can still use the free iTunes to good advantage.
    >
    > Apple doesn't make anyone do anything.
    >
    > So, what was your point?
    >
    > Don- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -






  12. #12
    Don Bowey
    Guest

    Re: How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

    On 7/21/07 12:19 PM, in article
    [email protected], "RHF"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    (snip)


    > Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success {?}
    > is due to people wanting {Gotto Have the Latest} a very cool
    > instrument {Newest Bells and Whistles} with good features
    > {of Questionable Utlity}.
    >
    > -RANT-
    > While Senior Citzens like myself with Tired Old Eyes
    > and Big Old Fingers just want a basic CellPhone that
    > we can use without our Glasses like the "JitterBug" .
    >

    http://www.firststreetonline.com/pro...678&PID=158397
    8

    That's as ugly as they get.....

    > Why doesn't AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc
    > offer a CellPhone designed for Senior Citizens and the
    > Visually Limited-Impaired like the "JitterBug" ?
    > Here is where the ADA Laws should apply and force
    > the Cellphone providers to design and market these
    > Cellphone to Seniors with needs. -end-rant- ~ RHF


    (snip)

    Lots of reasons..... Here's a couple:

    * We senior citizens aren't perceived as being a large enough market.

    * We aren't a cohesive group of a same mind. I'm one, but I'd have an
    iPhone in a minute just cause it is cool, if it weren't for the ridiculous
    rate structures.





  13. #13
    RHF
    Guest

    Re: How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

    On Jul 21, 12:19 pm, RHF <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Jul 21, 10:24 am, Don Bowey <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On 7/21/07 9:28 AM, in article
    > > [email protected], "Kurt"

    >
    > > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > > In article <C2C76B2D.70C11%[email protected]>,
    > > > Don Bowey <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > > >> On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
    > > >> [email protected], "Kurt"
    > > >> <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > > >>> In article <[email protected]>,
    > > >>> Radium <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > > >>>> On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote in

    >
    > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e6...>>

    >
    > > >> =
    > > >>>> en&
    > > >>>> :

    >
    > > >>>>> Radium <[email protected]> hath wroth:

    >
    > > >>>>>> On Jul 1, 7:24 am, [email protected] wrote in
    > > >>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...

    >
    > > >>>>>>> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

    >
    > > >>> I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
    > > >>> phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
    > > >>> their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.

    >
    > > >> Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
    > > >> an idiot.

    >
    > > >>> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

    >
    > > >> You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
    > > >> something they forced you to buy?

    >
    > > > You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
    > > > Why the iPod?

    >
    > > Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
    > > wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

    >
    > Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success {?}
    > is due to people wanting {Gotto Have the Latest} a very cool
    > instrument {Newest Bells and Whistles} with good features
    > {of Questionable Utlity}.
    >
    > -RANT-
    > While Senior Citzens like myself with Tired Old Eyes
    > and Big Old Fingers just want a basic CellPhone that
    > we can use without our Glasses like the "JitterBug" .http://www.firststreetonline.com/pro...romotion=86678...
    > Why doesn't AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc
    > offer a CellPhone designed for Senior Citizens and the
    > Visually Limited-Impaired like the "JitterBug" ?
    > Here is where the ADA Laws should apply and force
    > the Cellphone providers to design and market these
    > Cellphone to Seniors with needs. -end-rant- ~ RHF
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > The iPod's success is from Apple having a top-notch product line with good
    > > features, and cool looks. And people should not overlook, but often do,
    > > iTunes. It is iTunes that makes the iPod easy to use, giving it easy
    > > access to their CD and MP3 music regardless of where they buy it. People
    > > who don't want an iPod can still use the free iTunes to good advantage.

    >
    > > Apple doesn't make anyone do anything.

    >
    > > So, what was your point?

    >
    > > Don- Hide quoted text -

    >
    > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

    >
    > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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    > - Show quoted text -


    - S N I P -

    RADIUM,

    The please keep 'your' OT crap! OFF of Rec.Radio.Shortwave
    * The Theard Goes Where The Thread Goes
    * That Is The Nature Of NewsGroups

    - I had to start a new thread because some
    - jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.

    Relevance in in the Mind of the Poster.

    Right now since the 'topic' is CellPhones - I makes me wonder
    what kind of Cellphone and Service Provider others here may
    have . . .

    OK starting with me :
    I have a Motorla RAZR V3 via AT&T {Cingular} Wireless
    and I do not want any changes to the Cellphone
    Broadcasting System [.]

    Keep Posting Your Scientific and Cellphone BS to
    Rec.Radio.Shortwave and you will see replying to
    it with what ever comes into my mind and inviting
    others hear to do the same.

    However, leave Rec.Radio.Shortwave "Off" your
    Cross-Posting List and you won't have to deal
    with me. Now woldn't that be nice.

    Say Cuhulin do you have a CellPhone ?

    David I know you must have a Cellphone.

    Bet-Ya Telamon has a Cellphone.

    Wondering -if- DX Ace has a Cellphone ?

    Burr way over in the PI - you got a Cellphone over there ?

    Hey Back At You "Radium" Wondering . . .
    You Gotta Cellphone and who is your Service Provider ?

    IF YOU GOT A CELLPHONE LET RADIUM HEAR ABOUT IT !

    I B 'rhf' Listening to my Shortwave Radio
    with my Cellphone near-by bye bye ~ RHF
    .
    On the Internet Everyone Knows - I Am A Jerk !
    .
    .
    .. .




  14. #14
    D Peter Maus
    Guest

    Re: How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

    Brenda Ann wrote:
    > "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

    >
    > You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
    > only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
    > other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
    > plan). ?
    >
    >
    >




    There was a time that was true. Not so much since about OS X.2.

    Truth is that I had a Mac on line at work since '89, and from home
    since '84, and with the exception of those who bothered to read the
    headers in e-mail, no one ever knew it. I've had my Macs and my PC's
    talking to each other the entire time.

    As long as the output files are the same format, there's no more
    compatibility issue between Mac and Windows than between HP and Dell
    printers. And with Solaris and Linux making a showing in the
    marketplace, compatibility in general has become largely a non issue.

    That's why the pissing match between the Microsoft and the keepers of
    standards is such a concern. Because if MS has their way, their
    proprietary formats, will continue to play havoc with compatibility
    between platforms that currently play well together using standards
    compliant output.

    On my Macs, I use only open source software with the exception of one
    or two Apple branded programs for document and presentation creation.
    With the exception of nicer, more eye catching documents, and
    presentations with full animation and stereo sound, none of my
    colleagues can tell that I've used a Mac.

    On my PC's the only MS software is the OS. Everything else...
    browser, IM client, office suite...everything, is open source.

    The ONLY time I've ever had a compatibility issue is using MS
    software. And that's been true for more than a decade, now.






  15. #15
    Brenda Ann
    Guest

    Re: How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.


    "D Peter Maus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Brenda Ann wrote:
    >> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

    >>
    >> You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
    >> only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
    >> other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and
    >> Family" plan). ?
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    >
    > There was a time that was true. Not so much since about OS X.2.
    >
    > Truth is that I had a Mac on line at work since '89, and from home since
    > '84, and with the exception of those who bothered to read the headers in
    > e-mail, no one ever knew it. I've had my Macs and my PC's talking to each
    > other the entire time.
    >
    > As long as the output files are the same format, there's no more
    > compatibility issue between Mac and Windows than between HP and Dell
    > printers. And with Solaris and Linux making a showing in the marketplace,
    > compatibility in general has become largely a non issue.
    >
    > That's why the pissing match between the Microsoft and the keepers of
    > standards is such a concern. Because if MS has their way, their
    > proprietary formats, will continue to play havoc with compatibility
    > between platforms that currently play well together using standards
    > compliant output.
    >
    > On my Macs, I use only open source software with the exception of one or
    > two Apple branded programs for document and presentation creation. With
    > the exception of nicer, more eye catching documents, and presentations
    > with full animation and stereo sound, none of my colleagues can tell that
    > I've used a Mac.
    >
    > On my PC's the only MS software is the OS. Everything else... browser,
    > IM client, office suite...everything, is open source.
    >
    > The ONLY time I've ever had a compatibility issue is using MS software.
    > And that's been true for more than a decade, now.
    >


    My biggest problem with Mac (I like the machines, always have) is the
    relative lack of software available for them. For instance, I have several
    video editing applications, and several internet webcasting applications,
    and they cannot be duplicated in Mac. (or at least they could not). I'll
    concede that their machines, and to an extent their OS, are very reliable.






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