NEWS: CIOs pooh-pooh the iPhone

On 7/25/07 4:08 PM, in article [email protected],
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:16:56 -0500, George Kerby
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/25/07 9:09 AM, in article [email protected],
>> "Joe "wilburn" Alden" <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:17:43 -0700, Kurt wrote:
>>>
>>>> We now have an iPhone in our house. Kicks butt. Amazing. My Treo will be
>>>> leaving shortly.
>>>
>>> Good, send your old Treo to me then.
>> Can you afford the upkeep?
>
>
> Apple learned from the Treo mistakes.

OK.
>
> All them 3rd party apps, always causing it to lock up.

???????

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At 25 Jul 2007 16:08:07 -0500 [email protected] wrote:

> Apple learned from the Treo mistakes.
>
> All them 3rd party apps, always causing it to lock up.


That certainly solves the problem. Seems a bit drastic though- just like
how never eating again will prevent food poisoning...

I thought those Apple OSes were supposed to be pretty bulletproof, yet
they fear third party apps? Hell, my Windows 98 PC never would've
crashed either if I never added software to it!


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Todd Allcock

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures or double
as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for all the bells and whistles,
but I could communicate better with ACTUAL bells and whistles."
-Bill Maher 9/25/2003

In article <[email protected]>,
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> At 25 Jul 2007 16:08:07 -0500 [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Apple learned from the Treo mistakes.
> >
> > All them 3rd party apps, always causing it to lock up.
>
>
> That certainly solves the problem. Seems a bit drastic though- just like
> how never eating again will prevent food poisoning...
>
> I thought those Apple OSes were supposed to be pretty bulletproof, yet
> they fear third party apps? Hell, my Windows 98 PC never would've
> crashed either if I never added software to it!
>
>
Which is why I'm happy Apple is keeping a tight lid on apps.
I've hated the troubleshooting I've needed to do to get my (few) Treo's
3rd party apps to play nice. Opera Mini was the worst offender so far.

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At 25 Jul 2007 18:40:11 -0700 Kurt wrote:

> Which is why I'm happy Apple is keeping a tight lid on apps.
> I've hated the troubleshooting I've needed to do to get my (few) Treo's
> 3rd party apps to play nice. Opera Mini was the worst offender so far.


So the obvious solution, it seems, is to avoid troublesome apps- not
banish their existence!

This newsreader I'm posting this from on my Windows Mobile phone right
now is a "troublesome 3rd-party app." About 1/10th of the time it'll
lock up my phone if I turn off the phone with it running.

However, it gives me a powerful, free, e-mail/NNTP/RSS reader in return
for me remembering to exit it before powering off. There is no NNTP app
stable or unstable for the iPhone.

So I get to choose whether increased functionality/capability is worth
the loss of a little stability. iPhone owners don't get that choice.
Why is that "better?"

--
Todd Allcock

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures or double
as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for all the bells and whistles,
but I could communicate better with ACTUAL bells and whistles."
-Bill Maher 9/25/2003

In article <[email protected]>,
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> At 25 Jul 2007 18:40:11 -0700 Kurt wrote:
>
> > Which is why I'm happy Apple is keeping a tight lid on apps.
> > I've hated the troubleshooting I've needed to do to get my (few) Treo's
> > 3rd party apps to play nice. Opera Mini was the worst offender so far.
>
>
> So the obvious solution, it seems, is to avoid troublesome apps- not
> banish their existence!
>
> This newsreader I'm posting this from on my Windows Mobile phone right
> now is a "troublesome 3rd-party app." About 1/10th of the time it'll
> lock up my phone if I turn off the phone with it running.
>
> However, it gives me a powerful, free, e-mail/NNTP/RSS reader in return
> for me remembering to exit it before powering off. There is no NNTP app
> stable or unstable for the iPhone.
>
> So I get to choose whether increased functionality/capability is worth
> the loss of a little stability. iPhone owners don't get that choice.
> Why is that "better?"
>

Locks up 1 out of 10 times? And that's good? Spoken like a true Windows
enthusiast ;-)

News via a news client feature out of a gazillion practical features the
iPhone does so much better and easier. My Treo is a clunky dinosaur
after playing with our iPhone for a while.
My wife has all her Safari browser prefs in her iPhone. You get a full
website and a large screen, not a mangled .mobi version. If I need
newsgroups, I can just use my group prefs via Google groups (though I
only use a news client in my computers.

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At 26 Jul 2007 09:01:00 -0700 Kurt wrote:

> Locks up 1 out of 10 times? And that's good?

No, it's not good- it's acceptatble, because I know how to avoid it- shut
down the app before powering down the phone.

Again, I wish it were bulletproof, but it's a freeware app written by an
enthusiast rather than a corporation. (And, to be fair, the app ran
trouble free on my prior WinMo PDA, so I suspect something in the new OS
"broke it."

This particular app gives me a great deal of functionality in return for
"babying it" to avoid it's bug.

> Spoken like a true Windows enthusiast ;-)

Nah, like I always say, Windows Mobile is the absolute worse mobile OS
available...

....except for all the others!
Windows Mobile is full of bugs, flawed design decisions, and unintuitive
functionality. However, 3rd-party support is what fixes it's
shortcomings and makes it an extremely productive OS.

> News via a news client feature out of a gazillion practical features
> the iPhone does so much better and easier.

My one example, however, is illustrative of the philosophical difference
between Apple and everyone else. On a Palm, WinMo or even a RIM device,
you can say "neat hardware, but what it's really missing is..." and
write an app to do it. Apple says- "here, make a call, play a song or
movie, and go find Calamari- that's all you need..."

I'm not knocking the iPhone's out-of-the-box usability, I'm knocking the
disingenuous lie that third-party apps are locked-out for "stability"-
they'e locked out for CONTROL.

The iPhone is an extremely impressive piece of hardware capable of so
much more if 3rd-party developers could get a crack at it. Can you think
of ANY reason to prevent the use of a bluetooth GPS when Google Maps is
such a touted feature of the device? I have a three-year old Nokia that
can use GMM with a BT GPS without crashing.

The possibilities that you're potentially missing should infuriate you,
rather than rally to it's defense!

And BTW, NNTP might not be a big deal to you, but I do virtually all of
my Usenet and e-mail from my phone. They're in my top 5 used applications,

along with GPS navigation (that alone is an iPhone deal-breaker for me)
Excel worksheet editing, and a bit of web browsing. Of that list, iPhone
wins on only one (admittedly by a large margin! I finally got a look up
close at an Apple store a few days ago. Browsing is very nice!)

> My Treo is a clunky dinosaur after playing with our iPhone for a while.

Make all the clunkier by your fear of third-party apps.

> My wife has all her Safari browser prefs in her iPhone. You get a full
> website and a large screen, not a mangled .mobi version.
Fair enough. While I actually like many WAP sites for small screens
since it
gives me the info I want without the fluff (or ads!), particularly over
slow GPRS/EDGE connections, "real browsing" would be a welcome option,
but for ME, not worth losing other more important (again, to ME!)
functionality. (In fact, I had to hack my phone's registry to force some
sites to display their WAP versions instead of their full versions!)

> If I need
> newsgroups, I can just use my group prefs via Google groups

Yes, you can, just like if I need "real browsing" I can use Opera. Clunky,

but workable.

>(though I
> only use a news client in my computers.

Because you choose to, or because you don't have the option?

I'm not surprised you're unhappy with your Treo if you shun third-party
apps. iPhone is clearly superior for many tasks to any Palm or WinMo
phone out of the
box. It's the ability to improve on the out of the box functions that
give Palms and WinMos their strength.

Again, I'm not suggesting _you_ shouldn't own one, just reiterating why
_I_
shouldn't. My wife, for example, uses her WinMo phone for voice, e-mail,
a bit of browsing and e-mail only. She'd be the perfect candidate for an
iPhone, if she wasn't so cheap! I had a hard enough time convincing her
to get a T-Mobile Dash for $49 after rebate, much less trying to talk her
into a $500 iPhone! ;-)


--
Todd Allcock

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures or
double
as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for all the bells and
whistles,
but I could communicate better with ACTUAL bells and whistles."
-Bill Maher 9/25/2003

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:47:52 -0500, [email protected] wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:03:01 GMT, John Navas
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>><http://www.theregister.com/2007/07/24/cios_badmouth_iphone/>
>>
>> Four out for four CIOs agree: the iPhone is no match for the
>> Blackberry. Last night, at an event hosted by Silicon Valley's
>> tech-happy Churchill Club, four high-profile CIOs - representing
>> Google, Hasbro, Levi Strauss, and health care giant McKesson Corp -
>> were asked if they'd carry an iPhone for business purposes, and all
>> four said "No."
>>
>> Meanwhile, three of the four said they won't let their employees
>> carry Apple's latest status symbol - at least, not in an official
>> business capacity.
>>
>> [MORE]
>
>The Motorola shill still Trolling against the iPhone.

Still can't handle truth?

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