iPhone outsells ALL smartphones in July

In article <[email protected]>,
Scott <[email protected]> wrote:

> >> Now you're changing the measure- a sign of someone finding themself
> >> on the bad end of the discussion. You just went from 10-15% of the
> >> market to 10-15% of the smartphone market. You'll get whiplash from
> >> reversing course so quickly.
> >
> > sorry for your confusion, but I never implied 10-15% of the entire
> > cell phone market. look up at the thread title, does it saying
> > anything about basic cell phones? nope! you made a mental mistake,
> > case closed.
>
> Um- no. Your words, "getting around 2% in less than 60 days is pretty
> remarkable. then
> outselling all other smartphones "combined", bodes well for them to get
> 10-15% in 1.5 years."
>
> You clearly talk about their total market share and the 10-15% in the
> same breath. You made the mistake of opening your mouth in the first
> place, case closed.

I don't find myself agreeing with Oxford many times, but you're just
wrong here. They have 2% and he thinks they may get 10-15% in 1.5
years. Nothing about changing the scope of the percentage there.


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Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> No it's not. A tiny laptop runs any program its operating system
> supports and has STORAGE to put things in. The iPhone has neither, ON
> PURPOSE, so you are totally dependent on the SUPPLIER who you must be
> constantly tethered to, and paying of course, to make it functional.

are we talking about 2 different iPhones? Mine has 8GB of storage and I
can store all kinda of information in there. notes, emails, webpages,
maps, phone numbers, voice mail, addressbook, stock prices, movies,
music, photos, pdf's, excel files, word docs, etc. just like my laptop.
hum. I guess your iPhone is broken?

> Notice its firewire/USB ports to tie the external hard drive to so you
> can onload/offload data/pictures/movies/stuff to/from? NOT! A tiny
> laptop has plenty of ports to offload/onload with.

what? everyone's iPhone can do that, why can't yours?

> iPhone is a Blackberry with a touch screen.....SERVER based to make the
> carrier money.....

no, it's not server based, unless you call voice mail server based, but
all phones work that way. everything else I store IN the phone.

> Remember back when we were all supposed to give up our massive hard drive
> PCs and use an appliance that amounted to a Java Computer where all our
> data and programs were stored on a SERVER BASED system so we could be
> constantly charged, over and over, for access to the data and use of the
> programs? JAVA was the answer to all our problems....remember? Remember
> when the users rebelled and "Just Said NO" to this scam? Is iPhone the
> reincarnation to this off-site, server-based, soak 'em constantly, scam?
>
> I can see that....can't you?

no, you just don't know how the iPhone operates.

funny stuff Larry, got any more ignorance to share?

"Bill Kearney" <wkearney-99@hot-mail-com> wrote:

> > but the nokia 1100 isn't in the same league as the iPhone, you are
> > talking about a cheap "cell phone" compared to a full featured
> > "smartphone".
>
> Except the iPhone ISN'T a smartphone.

according to the definition it sure is:

Smartphone features tend to include Internet access, e-mail access,
scheduling software, built-in camera, contact management, accelerometers
and some navigation software as well as occasionally the ability to read
business documents in a variety of formats such as PDF and Microsoft
Office.

yep, it's a smart phone!

Oxford wrote:
> Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> No it's not. A tiny laptop runs any program its operating system
>> supports and has STORAGE to put things in. The iPhone has neither, ON
>> PURPOSE, so you are totally dependent on the SUPPLIER who you must be
>> constantly tethered to, and paying of course, to make it functional.
>
> are we talking about 2 different iPhones? Mine has 8GB of storage and I
> can store all kinda of information in there. notes, emails, webpages,
> maps, phone numbers, voice mail, addressbook, stock prices, movies,
> music, photos, pdf's, excel files, word docs, etc. just like my laptop.
> hum. I guess your iPhone is broken?
>
>> Notice its firewire/USB ports to tie the external hard drive to so you
>> can onload/offload data/pictures/movies/stuff to/from? NOT! A tiny
>> laptop has plenty of ports to offload/onload with.
>
> what? everyone's iPhone can do that, why can't yours?
>
>> iPhone is a Blackberry with a touch screen.....SERVER based to make the
>> carrier money.....
>
> no, it's not server based, unless you call voice mail server based, but
> all phones work that way. everything else I store IN the phone.

You're obviously confused here. Do you really OWN an iPhone? Without
being connected to the web, which *IS* server based, what can you do
with it beyond what every other phone can do?

Listen to music? My Nokia S60 can do that. Including OGG, which he
iPhone can't play

Look at pictures... My Nokia S60 can do that.

Watch Movies... My Nokia S60 can do that. Including Divx, Mpeg4, etc...

Make a phone call... My Nokia S60 can do that. But it has superior call
quality VS the iPhone. Which is more important to me.

Now, what else can my S60 do, that your iPhone can't?

Well, I have my checkbook in there http://tinyurl.com/2t2yhr

with a $50 sirfIII bluetooth GPS, and a free download of smart2go, I
have a fairly decent GPS app http://tinyurl.com/2n333c Or I could buy an
app from Tomtom, or Garmin to do the same thing. Can't do that with an
iPhone without being tethered to the web. Which is VERY impractical for
the type of trips I take(I tend to stay off the beaten path on my
motorcycle)

>> Remember back when we were all supposed to give up our massive hard drive
>> PCs and use an appliance that amounted to a Java Computer where all our
>> data and programs were stored on a SERVER BASED system so we could be
>> constantly charged, over and over, for access to the data and use of the
>> programs? JAVA was the answer to all our problems....remember? Remember
>> when the users rebelled and "Just Said NO" to this scam? Is iPhone the
>> reincarnation to this off-site, server-based, soak 'em constantly, scam?
>>
>> I can see that....can't you?
>
> no, you just don't know how the iPhone operates.
>
> funny stuff Larry, got any more ignorance to share?

Um, he's explaining it PERFECTLY.

What is an iPhone without a web 2.0 server? It's a touch screen ipod
with a mediocre phone attached to it. Without hacking it, you can't add
any new functionality to it without being tethered to the web.

Steve Mackay <[email protected]> wrote:

> > no, it's not server based, unless you call voice mail server based, but
> > all phones work that way. everything else I store IN the phone.
>
> You're obviously confused here. Do you really OWN an iPhone? Without
> being connected to the web, which *IS* server based, what can you do
> with it beyond what every other phone can do?

Yes, I own several, and the iPhone is no more "server based" than any
Laptop... and that is the point.

> Listen to music? My Nokia S60 can do that. Including OGG, which he
> iPhone can't play

But not through an easy to use interface. Nobody but fools want OGG, a
wretched format.

> Look at pictures... My Nokia S60 can do that.

Not as clearly or as big as I can on my iPhone, nor can it sync as easy
as it does with iPhoto. Nor can it zoom in, zoom out of an image. Nokia
SUCKS when it comes to graphics.

> Watch Movies... My Nokia S60 can do that. Including Divx, Mpeg4, etc...

Not as clearly or as big as I can on my iPhone, nor can it sync as easy
as it does with Handbreak, VisualHub and countless others. Plus the
battery life on the iPhone is about double the Nokia.

> Make a phone call... My Nokia S60 can do that. But it has superior call
> quality VS the iPhone. Which is more important to me.

Depends on your signal, both are the same if the signal is the same,
idiot!

> Now, what else can my S60 do, that your iPhone can't?
>
> Well, I have my checkbook in there http://tinyurl.com/2t2yhr

Great and I can do the same thing on the iPhone.

> with a $50 sirfIII bluetooth GPS, and a free download of smart2go, I
> have a fairly decent GPS app http://tinyurl.com/2n333c Or I could buy an
> app from Tomtom, or Garmin to do the same thing. Can't do that with an
> iPhone without being tethered to the web. Which is VERY impractical for
> the type of trips I take(I tend to stay off the beaten path on my
> motorcycle)

GPS will come to the iPhone in the same way.

> >> Remember back when we were all supposed to give up our massive hard drive
> >> PCs and use an appliance that amounted to a Java Computer where all our
> >> data and programs were stored on a SERVER BASED system so we could be
> >> constantly charged, over and over, for access to the data and use of the
> >> programs? JAVA was the answer to all our problems....remember? Remember
> >> when the users rebelled and "Just Said NO" to this scam? Is iPhone the
> >> reincarnation to this off-site, server-based, soak 'em constantly, scam?
> >>
> >> I can see that....can't you?
> >
> > no, you just don't know how the iPhone operates.
> >
> > funny stuff Larry, got any more ignorance to share?
>
> Um, he's explaining it PERFECTLY.

No he is not since he CLEARLY doesn't have an iPhone, neither do you.
You have an old fashioned Nokia, nobody wants one of those "dinosaurs"
after the iPhone appeared.

> What is an iPhone without a web 2.0 server? It's a touch screen ipod
> with a mediocre phone attached to it. Without hacking it, you can't add
> any new functionality to it without being tethered to the web.

Actually it's a Multitouch screen, the Nokia doesn't have that. Call
quality is the same and you can add anything you want to the iPhone.
Sounds like you aren't keeping up with modern day developments.

Face it Steve, you got stuck with a sucky Nokia phone and are JEALOUS of
iPhone users. You'll get one in time, don't fret!

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In article <[email protected]>,
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> At 04 Sep 2007 18:16:27 -0700 Kurt wrote:
>
> > yes a spreadsheet with 1 pt type. You do real efficient "business"
> > trying to work with that.
>
>
> I always find it interesting when someone complains about screen size
> and resolution on modern smartphones. Sure it isn't a 1084x768 17"
> display, but 320x240 and 640x480 were both desktop standards not too
> many years sgo. I find Excel no more difficult to use on my PPC
> screen than Lotus 1-2-3 or Multiplan were on my ancient CGA displays
> years ago.
>
> A PDA/smartphone is a technological Swiss Army Knife. A very useful
> collection of tools in a compact, easy to carry package. Sure, any
> one of those tools pales in comparison to it's full-sized/full-
> featured equivalent, but that's hardly the point, is it? No one
> who's ever used the screwdriver or scissors on a Swiss Army knife
> prefered it over using a real screwdriver or a real pair of scissors.
> The point is that I essentially have the most important capabilities
> of a low-end laptop in a device the size of a deck of cards, and,
> more importantly, like the knife, I have it EVERYWHERE, unlike a pair
> of scissors, screwdriver, or a laptop!
>
> Unlike a prior poster, I won't claim you can't possibly use your
> iPhone for business- but I'll guess that your business uses do not
> require much more than e-mail, web access and telephony. If so,
> fine. But some of us need more, and need it even when the cell
> network is unavailable (docs.google.com? Google Maps? Surrre...)
>
> That's why I find the iPhone so disappointing. It's an impressive
> piece of hardware hampered by an extremely foolish (greedy?) business
> plan. Third-party developers have done amazing things with the iPod.
> If given "official" access to the iPhone, these and other 3rd-party
> developers would've likely already turned the iPhone into a real
> business-class device that'd give RIM, Symbian and MS a run for their
> money. As it stands now, it's an iPod phone with webtablet, (and a
> darn spiffy one!) A tremendous waste of excellent equipment.

The problem with the PDAs is that they try to be everything for
everybody.
I refused to look at 40 field spreadsheets on my Treo. The Word to Go
was cumbersome (text editing with the tiny keyboard was a really
inefficient use of my time).

Laptop is so much faster and a much better use of my time. Iget the
feeling that some people's work up here is primarily reading
spreadsheets and Word docs while travelling. If so, you probably do need
something that is designed to read these docs.

I own a pretty busy design company, and where some of it is managerial,
the iPhone's ease of use and functions greatly simplified my life.

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"Steve Mackay" wrote:
> Oxford wrote:
>
> You're obviously confused here. Do you really OWN an iPhone? Without being
> connected to the web, which *IS* server based, what can you do with it
> beyond what every other phone can do?

Let's see, ssh, ftp, Apache, *****X, Perl, Ruby, Python.

Then there's a downright excellent NES emulator for games (along with other
native games), plenty of file management tools, the ability to send or email
any file on the device (and yes that can include Office documents), a
command line that any 'nix user would love.

To compare the iPhone to "every other phone" is just plain silly.

It's not just a phone, it's a computing device running one of the most
comprehensive OS's I have ever seen on a mobile device. With all of the
modding I have done my iPhone is still 10x more stable than my Palm OS
Treo--and any WinMob device I've owned too.

I could go on and on, but this is only the beginning...


>
> Listen to music? My Nokia S60 can do that. Including OGG, which he iPhone
> can't play

My Treo played music too. Guess what? Barely used it. The iPhone's wonderful
iTunes integration changed that.


>
> Look at pictures... My Nokia S60 can do that.

So what? So could every phone I've owned since 2002. Doesn't mean it they
did it as well as my iPhone. Fact is they didn't.

>
> Watch Movies... My Nokia S60 can do that. Including Divx, Mpeg4, etc...
>

See above. And pixels count.


> Make a phone call... My Nokia S60 can do that. But it has superior call
> quality VS the iPhone. Which is more important to me.
>

I have zero issues with call quality. In fact it is greatly improved over
the Treo I used for the last 2 years.


> Now, what else can my S60 do, that your iPhone can't?

I could list more, but your mind appears closed...


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Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

> Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >
> > >> > bodes well for them to
> > >> > get 10-15% in 1.5 years.
> > >>
> > >> Um- no.
> > >
> > > well sure, it could be a bit higher, but I think 10-15% is about right
> > > for the "smartphone" market in the 36 month timeframe.

Since when did 1.5 years = 36 months?

<...>

> > > doesn't require a citation, Apple does not allow others to advertise
> > > the iPhone. sounds like you don't know much about Apple, is that
> > > correct?
> >
> > No- it sounds like you made it up and can't back up the statement with
> > any authoritative sources.
>
> incorrect, the iPhone is only sold through 2 channels. Apple/ATT, and
> ATT cannot advertise the iPhone outside of their store. That's a fact.

http://www.pmptoday.com/2007/06/03/t...ys-its-coming-
june-29th/

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Peter

Oxford wrote:
> Steve Mackay <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> no, it's not server based, unless you call voice mail server based, but
>>> all phones work that way. everything else I store IN the phone.
>> You're obviously confused here. Do you really OWN an iPhone? Without
>> being connected to the web, which *IS* server based, what can you do
>> with it beyond what every other phone can do?
>
> Yes, I own several, and the iPhone is no more "server based" than any
> Laptop... and that is the point.

Really? So go somewhere with no wifi access or cell phone access and
tell us this<eye roll> You're stuck with an ipod at that point.

>
>> Listen to music? My Nokia S60 can do that. Including OGG, which he
>> iPhone can't play
>
> But not through an easy to use interface. Nobody but fools want OGG, a
> wretched format.

Yeah, who would want a smaller, better sounding format... <eye roll>

>
>> Look at pictures... My Nokia S60 can do that.
>
> Not as clearly or as big as I can on my iPhone, nor can it sync as easy
> as it does with iPhoto. Nor can it zoom in, zoom out of an image. Nokia
> SUCKS when it comes to graphics.

Yes I can zoom in and out. No, I don't have as big of a screen. Nor do I
want a device that large and fragile.

>
>> Watch Movies... My Nokia S60 can do that. Including Divx, Mpeg4, etc...
>
> Not as clearly or as big as I can on my iPhone, nor can it sync as easy
> as it does with Handbreak, VisualHub and countless others. Plus the
> battery life on the iPhone is about double the Nokia.

ROFLMAO! You can go a week with your iphone without a charge? That
sounds highly optimistic.

>
>> Make a phone call... My Nokia S60 can do that. But it has superior call
>> quality VS the iPhone. Which is more important to me.
>
> Depends on your signal, both are the same if the signal is the same,
> idiot!

Um no.. But keep telling yourself that.

>
>> Now, what else can my S60 do, that your iPhone can't?
>>
>> Well, I have my checkbook in there http://tinyurl.com/2t2yhr
>
> Great and I can do the same thing on the iPhone.

Really? How?<here is where oxtard runs>

>
>> with a $50 sirfIII bluetooth GPS, and a free download of smart2go, I
>> have a fairly decent GPS app http://tinyurl.com/2n333c Or I could buy an
>> app from Tomtom, or Garmin to do the same thing. Can't do that with an
>> iPhone without being tethered to the web. Which is VERY impractical for
>> the type of trips I take(I tend to stay off the beaten path on my
>> motorcycle)
>
> GPS will come to the iPhone in the same way.

uh huh...

>
>>>> Remember back when we were all supposed to give up our massive hard drive
>>>> PCs and use an appliance that amounted to a Java Computer where all our
>>>> data and programs were stored on a SERVER BASED system so we could be
>>>> constantly charged, over and over, for access to the data and use of the
>>>> programs? JAVA was the answer to all our problems....remember? Remember
>>>> when the users rebelled and "Just Said NO" to this scam? Is iPhone the
>>>> reincarnation to this off-site, server-based, soak 'em constantly, scam?
>>>>
>>>> I can see that....can't you?
>>> no, you just don't know how the iPhone operates.
>>>
>>> funny stuff Larry, got any more ignorance to share?
>> Um, he's explaining it PERFECTLY.
>
> No he is not since he CLEARLY doesn't have an iPhone, neither do you.
> You have an old fashioned Nokia, nobody wants one of those "dinosaurs"
> after the iPhone appeared.
>
>> What is an iPhone without a web 2.0 server? It's a touch screen ipod
>> with a mediocre phone attached to it. Without hacking it, you can't add
>> any new functionality to it without being tethered to the web.
>
> Actually it's a Multitouch screen, the Nokia doesn't have that.

Nor do I want it.

> Call
> quality is the same

No, it's not. The Nokia is superior in call quality.

> and you can add anything you want to the iPhone.

No, you can't. You cannot add applications to the iphone. You can RUN
web 2.0 apps on it. But without hacking it, you're stuck.


> Sounds like you aren't keeping up with modern day developments.

No, I am. I'm just not the rabbid fanboi that

>
> Face it Steve, you got stuck with a sucky Nokia phone and are JEALOUS of
> iPhone users. You'll get one in time, don't fret!

If I wanted an iPhone, I'd have one. It's too fragile, can't change the
battery myself, no GPS, No expense tracking, etc...

Just announced. Yep, a $200 price drop!!!



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At 05 Sep 2007 09:22:17 -0700 Kurt wrote:

> The problem with the PDAs is that they try to be everything for
> everybody.


Agreed.

> I refused to look at 40 field spreadsheets on my Treo.

That's your choice. However, I'm not sure that switching to a phone
that CAN'T is the soution! Like I said with the Swiss Army knife
analogy, editing a spreadsheet on a tiny device isn't the BEST way,
but if it means I can travel without bringing a laptop, it's
certainly acceptable!

> The Word to Go
> was cumbersome (text editing with the tiny keyboard was a really
> inefficient use of my time).

I've used PDAs long enough that both the "hard" and soft keyboards
work well enough, particularly with word completion.


> Laptop is so much faster and a much better use of my time.

As long as you don't mind lugging it with you. I trynot to. For me,
from my first PPC (a Casiopeia E-105!) it's been about NOT dragging a
laptop along.

> I get the
> feeling that some people's work up here is primarily reading
> spreadsheets and Word docs while travelling. If so, you probably do
need
> something that is designed to read these docs.

I'm not sure about that- I think it's more about not knowing exactly
WHAT is coming next, and having access to the appropriate tool when
mobile. Again, that's where the Swiss Army knife comes in. It might
be reviewing a document, calculating and generating a bid, accessing
a corporate website, or reviewing a Powerpoint. Again, you might not
know what is going to be needed. (And when I'm totally down the
river without the proverbial paddle, my last resort is Remote Access
to my desktop. (And that admittedly is a VERY less than perfect
solution on a 2.8" 320x240 screen! But again, Swiss Army- it works,
bails me out of a jam, and is essentially having my PC with me
anywhere!


> I own a pretty busy design company, and where some of it is
managerial,
> the iPhone's ease of use and functions greatly simplified my life.


Which is cool. The right tool for the right job, as they say. Even
Swiss Army knives come in different sizes/configurations. ;-)


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ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

[email protected] (Peter Hayes) wrote:

> Since when did 1.5 years = 36 months?

that darn / divide by 2 button!

my mistake.

"Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote:

> 11:12 am: "But we want to get even more aggressive with this. Take a look at
> the iPhone. You know, the surveys are in: the customer satisfaction numbers
> on the iPhone are off the charts. They're higher from iPhone owners than any
> Apple product. Ever. They LOVE them. We want to make the iPhone even MORE
> affordable for even more people."
>
> "So we're going to do something about that today. We're on track to ship our
> 1 millionth iPhone this month -- to get ready for the holidays here's what
> we're going to do. It's clear customers want the 8GB model -- it's not going
> to sell for 599 anymore."
>
> "Starting today effective immediately, we're pricing it at just $399." (HUGE
> applause.)

Yes, this is a killer body blow to Verizon, Nokia... there is no way in
HELL the can compete against the iPhone. It's almost like Steve was
opening his war chest and selling a phone with 90% more features for a
90% lower price. Nokia died today, that's for sure...

The 8GB iPhone at $399... *****s the END of many a cell handset maker...

http://www.apple.com/iphone/

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"Oxford" wrote:
> "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> 11:12 am: "But we want to get even more aggressive with this. Take a look
>> at
>> the iPhone. You know, the surveys are in: the customer satisfaction
>> numbers
>> on the iPhone are off the charts. They're higher from iPhone owners than
>> any
>> Apple product. Ever. They LOVE them. We want to make the iPhone even MORE
>> affordable for even more people."
>>
>> "So we're going to do something about that today. We're on track to ship
>> our
>> 1 millionth iPhone this month -- to get ready for the holidays here's
>> what
>> we're going to do. It's clear customers want the 8GB model -- it's not
>> going
>> to sell for 599 anymore."
>>
>> "Starting today effective immediately, we're pricing it at just $399."
>> (HUGE
>> applause.)
>
> Yes, this is a killer body blow to Verizon, Nokia... there is no way in
> HELL the can compete against the iPhone. It's almost like Steve was
> opening his war chest and selling a phone with 90% more features for a
> 90% lower price. Nokia died today, that's for sure...
>
> The 8GB iPhone at $399... *****s the END of many a cell handset maker...

I am hoping they release a 16 GB model for $499. If so I'd buy it and give
my 8 GB to my wife. Actually, I might still buy another 8 GB if I can get it
cheaper than $399 (refurb).


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"Tinman" wrote:
>
> I am hoping they release a 16 GB model for $499. If so I'd buy it and give
> my 8 GB to my wife. Actually, I might still buy another 8 GB if I can get
> it cheaper than $399 (refurb).

Or I might get a left-over 4 GB model for the wife. Seems like they are
being blown out at $299, or less (the 4 GB iPhone has been discontinued).


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