take your iPhone abroad, pay $4800

At 11 Sep 2007 04:11:41 +0000 aemeijers wrote:

> Don't know about iphone, since I have never played with one. But I
deal with
> computer devices every day where the software-commanded 'off' isn't
really
> OFF, like pull-the-plug-out-of-the-wall OFF. So, yeah, it is
plausible.

Sure, many devices stay in a low power standby mode- mostly reduce
bootup time or to respond to a timed event (i.e. a VCR.)

> I
> also know many cell phones can be remotely brought on line by the
locator
> signal from the tower, even if they are 'turned off', which is more
like
> sleep mode.

I am not aware of a single cellphone with this capability, and I've
owned probably fourty different phones in the last 20 years. I
suspect that's an urban legend.

> Hell, your 'instant on' television probably is drawing power all
the time,
> too. Betcha with all the lights off, and the set off, you can still
see a
> faint glow from the screen.
I could with my older sets. (Circa 1980's and older.) I don't with
newer sets, but that could just as likely be my older eyes as any
improvements in efficiency! ;-)


--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:16:18 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote:

>That's a very bad design flaw to have it automatically do those updates.

I think AT&T might disagree with you there.

"aemeijers" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Don't know about iphone, since I have never played with one. But I
> deal with computer devices every day where the software-commanded
> 'off' isn't really OFF, like pull-the-plug-out-of-the-wall OFF. So,
> yeah, it is plausible. I also know many cell phones can be remotely
> brought on line by the locator signal from the tower, even if they are
> 'turned off', which is more like sleep mode. How do you think they
> handshake with a tower so fast? Mine only goes into 'search' mode in
> dead spots.
>
>

Does anyone know if turning a phone "off" turns off the government's
snooping functions linked to the GPS? Is the phone still monitoring the
system, waiting for a key to run that function or other hidden functions
without your knowledge? Given the no-search-warrant-is-necessary recent
changes to tap your phones, this sounds very plausible to me. I'm sure
electronics contractors who live on Government money like Motorola would
roll over and build this feature into all their cellphones if threatened
with losing lucrative government contracts. I certainly would!

Does the GPS locator and other monitoring functions still run when you
press the OFF button, which only really has to turn off the basic phone
function, displays and lights to make you THINK it's "off", when it's
not.

Can the phone be made into a remote-controlled microphone OR WEBCAM on
camera phones by sending it a secret code from the system? There's
another false flag operation I see them incorporating to control us in
the near future.....if it's not already operational! How can you know
it's not a listening device?? You can't.


Larry
--
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The ultimate dirty bomb......

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in newsaoFi.13921
[email protected]:

> "Airplane mode?" Now you expect us to believe your iPhone can
> actually FLY? ;-)
>
>

iPhones can do anything......just ask any owner who paid $600....(c;

Larry
--
Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium"
The ultimate dirty bomb......

Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> "aemeijers" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Don't know about iphone, since I have never played with one. But I
>> deal with computer devices every day where the software-commanded
>> 'off' isn't really OFF, like pull-the-plug-out-of-the-wall OFF. So,
>> yeah, it is plausible. I also know many cell phones can be remotely
>> brought on line by the locator signal from the tower, even if they
>> are 'turned off', which is more like sleep mode. How do you think
>> they handshake with a tower so fast? Mine only goes into 'search'
>> mode in dead spots.

> Does anyone know if turning a phone "off" turns off
> the government's snooping functions linked to the GPS?

Yes.

> Is the phone still monitoring the system, waiting for a key to run
> that function or other hidden functions without your knowledge?

Nope.

> Given the no-search-warrant-is-necessary recent changes
> to tap your phones, this sounds very plausible to me.

More fool you.

> I'm sure electronics contractors who live on Government money
> like Motorola would roll over and build this feature into all their
> cellphones if threatened with losing lucrative government contracts.

Mindless conspiracy theory.

> I certainly would!

More fool you.

Its so easy to check whether the phone ever transmits when
its turned off that you'd soon get caught and that behaviour
would be exposed and publicised that your sales would be ruined.

> Does the GPS locator and other monitoring functions
> still run when you press the OFF button,

Nope.

> which only really has to turn off the basic phone function,
> displays and lights to make you THINK it's "off", when it's not.

Its trivial to monitor whether the phone ever transmits when its off.

> Can the phone be made into a remote-controlled microphone OR WEBCAM
> on camera phones by sending it a secret code from the system?

Nope.

> There's another false flag operation I see them incorporating
> to control us in the near future.....if it's not already operational!

More fool you again.

> How can you know it's not a listening device?? You can't.

Corse you can. If its transmitting anything, that
transmission is detectable by anyone with a clue.

Larry wrote:
> (government intrusion) sounds very plausible to me.

A common affliction with conspiracy theorists.

> another false flag operation I see them incorporating to control us in
> the near future.

"False flag"? Is that an "inside code phrase" that conspiracy theorists use?

> How can you know it's not a listening device?? You can't.

Sure you can. See how long the battery will last when its off. See if
there's any CPU generated RF noise.

In article
<[email protected]>,
"aemeijers" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > At 10 Sep 2007 21:25:44 -0500 IMHO IIRC wrote:
> >
> >> How do you turn OFF an iPhone, like other cell phones when the
> >> battery is removed?
> >
> >
> > Geez- I hate to say it, but I'm starting to think Jobs and the
> > Fanboys might have been right after all. Obviously cellphones WERE
> > too complicated to use if half the posters in this thread think you
> > actually have to remove your phone's battery to turn it off!
> >
> Don't know about iphone, since I have never played with one. But I deal with
> computer devices every day where the software-commanded 'off' isn't really
> OFF, like pull-the-plug-out-of-the-wall OFF. So, yeah, it is plausible. I
> also know many cell phones can be remotely brought on line by the locator
> signal from the tower, even if they are 'turned off', which is more like
> sleep mode. How do you think they handshake with a tower so fast? Mine only
> goes into 'search' mode in dead spots.
>
> Hell, your 'instant on' television probably is drawing power all the time,
> too. Betcha with all the lights off, and the set off, you can still see a
> faint glow from the screen.
>
> aem sends...

First thing would be to actually use an iPhone instead of speculate.
Seems to be a lot of people up here doing that.
I have no problem shutting off my iPhone. You hold the button on top
down until you get a prompt to slide and power off.

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"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Does anyone know if turning a phone "off" turns off the government's
> snooping functions linked to the GPS? Is the phone still monitoring the
> system, waiting for a key to run that function or other hidden functions
> without your knowledge? Given the no-search-warrant-is-necessary recent
> changes to tap your phones, this sounds very plausible to me. I'm sure
> electronics contractors who live on Government money like Motorola would
> roll over and build this feature into all their cellphones if threatened
> with losing lucrative government contracts. I certainly would!
>
> Does the GPS locator and other monitoring functions still run when you
> press the OFF button, which only really has to turn off the basic phone
> function, displays and lights to make you THINK it's "off", when it's
> not.
>
> Can the phone be made into a remote-controlled microphone OR WEBCAM on
> camera phones by sending it a secret code from the system? There's
> another false flag operation I see them incorporating to control us in
> the near future.....if it's not already operational! How can you know
> it's not a listening device?? You can't.
>
>
> Larry
> --
> Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium"
> The ultimate dirty bomb......

Double-wrap your phone in aluminum foil, shiny side in on the inner layer only.
Include some pellets of depleted uranium in the package, for extra security.

"John R. Copeland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Does anyone know if turning a phone "off" turns off the government's
> snooping functions linked to the GPS? Is the phone still monitoring the
> system, waiting for a key to run that function or other hidden functions
> without your knowledge? Given the no-search-warrant-is-necessary recent
> changes to tap your phones, this sounds very plausible to me. I'm sure
> electronics contractors who live on Government money like Motorola would
> roll over and build this feature into all their cellphones if threatened
> with losing lucrative government contracts. I certainly would!
>
> Does the GPS locator and other monitoring functions still run when you
> press the OFF button, which only really has to turn off the basic phone
> function, displays and lights to make you THINK it's "off", when it's
> not.
>
> Can the phone be made into a remote-controlled microphone OR WEBCAM on
> camera phones by sending it a secret code from the system? There's
> another false flag operation I see them incorporating to control us in
> the near future.....if it's not already operational! How can you know
> it's not a listening device?? You can't.
>
>
Well, actually, apparently the cell system operator CAN, for some phones at
least, send a 'wake up' signal to the handset. See story at
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6140191.html .

I do know that US Govt INFOSEC regs prohibit cell phones in classified
areas.

Do I think it is likely to ever happen, unless some agency has a warrant and
wants to use a GPS phone as a crude tracking device? Not really. But it is
technically possible. (And no, I do not base this on the cartoon tricks they
do on '24' or anything.) I can see how if a customer whines about their
quality of service, the carrier may wish to run some diagnostics on signal
path when they think customer isn't using the phone, which I think is what
the remote wakeup capability was actually designed for.

aem sends...

Gordon Burditt <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> How do you turn OFF an iPhone, like other cell phones when the
>>> battery is removed?
>>
>> Straw man and nonsequitur. I don't have to remove my battery to run
>> off my Windows Mobile device and prevent it from downloading email,
>> and an iPhone user doesn't have to be able to remove his battery to
>> prevent his iPhone from downloading email.
>>
>> The "I remove my battery to be *damn sure* I'm not paying
>> international data rates, so the iPhone is bad because iPhone users
>> can't do the same thing" argument is an astoundingly lame, stupid,
>> desperate attempt to bash the iPhone for something that is simply
>> not the iPhone's fault and no different for the iPhone from any
>> other data-enabled device.
>
> How do I turn off the iPhone (or, for that matter, any other phone
> with a non-removable battery) so it will not transmit *anything*?
> Not even "I'm here" polls from the cell tower?
>
> Believe it or not, there are warnings that you should do just that
> at some gas stations in Texas (if not all of them), and there have
> been some incidents which suggest that cell phones can, rarely,
> ignite gasoline fumes while you are pumping gas into your car.

Nope, thats never been shown to have happened.

> And I don't care if it really was static electricity or some fool's
> cigarette instead. If your passenger is convinced that you're going
> to kill her if you don't turn the cell phone all the way off, it's
> not worth arguing the point. She's more dangerous than the risk
> of gas fumes igniting.

Wota silly wimp.

aemeijers <[email protected]> wrote:
> "John R. Copeland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know if turning a phone "off" turns off the government's
>> snooping functions linked to the GPS? Is the phone still monitoring
>> the system, waiting for a key to run that function or other hidden
>> functions without your knowledge? Given the
>> no-search-warrant-is-necessary recent changes to tap your phones,
>> this sounds very plausible to me. I'm sure electronics contractors
>> who live on Government money like Motorola would roll over and build
>> this feature into all their cellphones if threatened with losing
>> lucrative government contracts. I certainly would! Does the GPS locator and other monitoring functions still run
>> when
>> you press the OFF button, which only really has to turn off the
>> basic phone function, displays and lights to make you THINK it's
>> "off", when it's not.
>>
>> Can the phone be made into a remote-controlled microphone OR WEBCAM
>> on camera phones by sending it a secret code from the system? There's another false flag operation I see them
>> incorporating to
>> control us in the near future.....if it's not already operational! How can you know it's not a listening device??
>> You can't.
>>
>>
> Well, actually, apparently the cell system operator CAN, for some
> phones at least, send a 'wake up' signal to the handset. See story at
> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6140191.html .
>
> I do know that US Govt INFOSEC regs prohibit cell phones in classified
> areas.
>
> Do I think it is likely to ever happen, unless some agency has a
> warrant and wants to use a GPS phone as a crude tracking device? Not
> really. But it is technically possible. (And no, I do not base this
> on the cartoon tricks they do on '24' or anything.) I can see how if
> a customer whines about their quality of service, the carrier may
> wish to run some diagnostics on signal path when they think customer
> isn't using the phone, which I think is what the remote wakeup
> capability was actually designed for.

Not even possible.

At 12 Sep 2007 00:50:51 +0000 aemeijers wrote:

> Well, actually, apparently the cell system operator CAN, for some
phones at
> least, send a 'wake up' signal to the handset. See story at
> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6140191.html .


That story had more holes than aswiss cheese. It was about one
incident, and was all speculation and supposition. The carrier
involved (Nextel) denied any involvement sohow did the "mystery
software" the "experts" claim would be needed to accomplish this get
loaded on the handsets. One expert in the story itself said it was
bunk and the Feds would've had to plant an actual hardware bug in the
phone.

Urban legend, which probably works to the Feds advantage- make the
Bad Guys THINK their celphones can be remotely tapped and encourage
them to use more easily tapped devices like landlines.


> I do know that US Govt INFOSEC regs prohibit cell phones in
classified
> areas.


Occam's Razor- don't you think it's it more likely they fear the
OWNER snapping a few pics and MMSing them off than the Forces of the
Ungodly remotly listening in?


> Do I think it is likely to ever happen, unless some agency has a
warrant and
> wants to use a GPS phone as a crude tracking device? Not really.
But it is
> technically possible. (And no, I do not base this on the cartoon
tricks they
> do on '24' or anything.) I can see how if a customer whines about
their
> quality of service, the carrier may wish to run some diagnostics on
signal
> path when they think customer isn't using the phone, which I think
is what
> the remote wakeup capability was actually designed for.


I'll believe it when I see it.

--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

At 12 Sep 2007 00:11:46 +0000 Gordon Burditt wrote:

> Isn't "Airplane mode" the mode where it displays a bomb with a red
> circle and slash through it, and plays "God Bless America"
alternated
> with insults against Islam, for use when going through airport
> security?
>


You just remined me of a time long ago when Penn Jillette (the
talking half of comedy magician duo Penn and Teller, and longtime
computer geek) used to write a monthly column for one of the ZD
computer magazines. One column (long before 9/11) about computer
"pranks" included the simple DOS batch file he wrote and claimed to
stick in his autoexec back in the days when airport security demanded
laptops be turned on to "prove" they were actual computers. His
batch file made the computer display...

"Armed.


10



9



8


7



6



5"

....etc... ;-)



--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

At 12 Sep 2007 00:42:44 +0000 Jonathan Kamens wrote:

> I've had lots of phones over the years, and I've never encountered
one
> that wasn't all the way off when I turned it off. This claim that
> cell
> phones don't really turn off when you turn them off is an absurd
> canard,

Agreed, but to be fair, the phone's clock and/or alarms do stay
powered, so on a base level, some part of the phone is still running,
like the clock chip on your PC motherboard.

While I can certainly imagine a scenerio where "Q" from the Bond
movies, (or his ilk), could modify a phone via software and/or
hardware
to behave like the Urban legends claim, but certainly not by a
"remote control software download." More like a complex sting
operation where you physically replace the Bad Guy's phone with a
rigged identical model and have the carrier switch service to it.

> coming either from people who are looking for whatever reasons
> they can come up with for bashing the iPhone, or from conspiracy
> theorists who think that the government is using your cell phone to
> spy on you.
>
> There's just no truth to it.

Agreed, but the tinfoil hatters would claim you've just bought into
the
conspiracy, or... (ominious music crescendos to a 'BAAMP BAMMP
BAAAAH...')
....YOU'RE PART OF IT! ;-)


--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

On Sep 10, 11:41 am, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
>
>
>
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > If he actually intended to use the phone overseas, he'd get a local
> > > prepaySIMcard. But theiPhoneis locked...oh dear, oh my...
>
> > Well now it's possible tounlocktheiPhoneto use prepaidSIMcards.
> > Once you modify it, it's actually an ideal device to take with you
> > traveling as it's a good small web access device over Wi-Fi. I use my
> > old Toshiba PDA which doesn't have a great browser. The new iPod Touch
> > is probably the best option for minimalist travelers that want a
> > portable web browser, along with an unlocked quad band or 900/1800 GSM
> > phone to use with prepaidSIMcards. I wish they hadn't removed
> > BlueTooth from the Touch.
>
> > That's a very bad design flaw to have it automatically do those updates.
> > Many people don't mind some occasional international roaming when they
> > initiate the call or choose to answer a call, but they don't expect the
> >iPhoneto "phone home" on its own.
>
> you can turn offiPhone'sEDGE roaming when traveling overseas, just
> call AT&T and they will turn it off for you.
>
> and you can use anySIMCard...
>
> http://www.iphonesimfree.com/cgi-bin...e.pl?page=home
>
> where to buy:
>
> http://www.iphonesimfree.com/cgi-bin...ne.pl?page=buy

I am not sure if this is the same unlock hack but I found the files
needed here.

http://knightsofcaldwell.com/?p=177
www.knightsofcaldwell.com

Hope this helps