New iPhones to use 3G network

On 2007-12-02, SMS 斯蒂文• 夏 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> The iPhone does not use a Li-Ion battery.

Apple seems to think it does. It says:

"Built-in rechargeable lithium ion battery"

right on the tech specs page at apple.com.

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On 2007-12-01, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
> At 01 Dec 2007 08:50:00 -0500 Charles wrote:
>
>> They are going to LTE for 4G which is the GSM upgrade to 4G, not the US
>> CDMA upgrade to 4G.
>
> While it's an upgrade to UMTS, the GSM 3G standard, keep in mind that these
> advanced data standards have little to do with the original TDMA-based GSM
> spec, and are actually "wideband CDMA."

While the GSM 3G standard used WCDMA for the air interface, 4G LTE
doesn't. It uses OFDM (like 802.11g above 11 Mbps) on the downlink
and something else which I'm too lazy to google on the uplink. CDMA
was originally a low-speed fallback option in the original LTE proposal,
but this was written out (at the demand of operators, who would only
sign up for LTE is IP licensing charges were no more than 5% of equipment
cost) to reduce or eliminate Qualcomm contributions from the patent pool,
since Qualcomm is widely blamed for the fact that IP licensing is apparently
more than 30% of the cost of 3G equipment.

Since the usual suspects seem to be bailing on Qualcomm's 4G alternative,
and since the 4G alternative everyone likes avoids using Qualcomm IP,
it seems like Qualcomm might eventually have to work for a living.

>> You might not want to call it switching to GSM,
>> maybe evolving to the future GSM would be the way to put it, but in the
>> end Verizon will be on GSM.
>
> The irony, of course, is back when GSM adopted W-CDMA as the GSM 3G standard,
> many people posted on these NGs that GSM carriers were switching to CDMA!

It is kind of different this time, though. While the RF protocol is
neither TDMA or WCDMA, LTE is definitely the GSM 4G. I wonder whether
Verizon will introduce CDMA phones with R-UIM slots as part of the
transition.

Dennis Ferguson

Kevin Weaver wrote:
> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Kevin Weaver wrote:
>>
>>> No, I just see how the battery life SUCKS! Friend has one. No
>>> thanks. By apple not allowing the end user to change there own is
>>> sad. But send it in to apple for a replacement. Have to keep that
>>> $$ rolling in.
>>
>> If the battery burns up in your pocket at least you will know who to
>> sue. And luckily that will be Apple and they have the $$$ as you so
>> thoughtfully wrote.
>>
>> Now go away AssHat
> Go ahead and give apple $$$ I was being fair at $$
> Another fanboi defending the iphone. (Must be another AKA Oxturd)

You do realize that all companies must make money or they fail. And I'm
hardly an Apple fanboi. I bought mine when the price of the phone dropped to
be = < the cost of a new iPod + the cost of a new phone. Both of which I
needed.

I'm also noone's sock puppet. Which just the very least research would show.

Tim Smith wrote:
> On 2007-12-02, SMS 斯蒂文• 夏 <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The iPhone does not use a Li-Ion battery.
>
> Apple seems to think it does. It says:
>
> "Built-in rechargeable lithium ion battery"
>
> right on the tech specs page at apple.com.
>

Technically it should be called a Lithium-Polymer or LiPo battery.

In article <[email protected]>,
SMS Žz溱•顶 ‰� <[email protected]> wrote:

> Tim Smith wrote:
> > On 2007-12-02, SMS 拘�这拘�‰邰 Œ¤ <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> The iPhone does not use a Li-Ion battery.
> >
> > Apple seems to think it does. It says:
> >
> > "Built-in rechargeable lithium ion battery"
> >
> > right on the tech specs page at apple.com.
> >
>
> Technically it should be called a Lithium-Polymer or LiPo battery.

And the resulting battery drain should be called LiPo-suction.

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the iphone is not a great phone it has a great concept and opened thedoor for new ideas for cells but apple is all about makeing money and released the phone way to early and the phone still needs lots of work

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:28:31 -0600, "Gig 601XL Builder"
<wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net> wrote:

>Kevin Weaver wrote:
>
>> No, I just see how the battery life SUCKS! Friend has one. No thanks.
>> By apple not allowing the end user to change there own is sad. But
>> send it in to apple for a replacement. Have to keep that $$ rolling
>> in.
>
>If the battery burns up in your pocket at least you will know who to sue.
>And luckily that will be Apple and they have the $$$ as you so thoughtfully
>wrote.
>
>Now go away AssHat
>


What is the expected battery life of the included battery before it
needs to be replaced (how many charge cycles)?

What is Apple going to do when thousands of people need their
batteries replaced around the same time and these people start
complaining about not being able to use their phone while they ship it
to Apple for a battery replacement?

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:18:54 -0700, Oxford
<[email protected]> wrote:

>CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>> >> "Broadcom began delivering samples of a low-power integrated device it
>> >> calls �a 3G Phone on a Chip� ... It will be available next year in bulk
>> >> for $23 apiece."
>> >
>> > yes, but last time I looked this was 2007.
>>
>> Yes, but a 3G iPhone is not anticipated until late next year at the
>> earliest. By then, they won't be able to give it away.
>
>how do you know that? if apple helps broadcom meet it's engineering
>goals, it could happen in as many as 44 days. Remember the biggest
>electronics event in on the west coast "macworld" happens on Jan 15th.
>
>the iPhone is already far and away the best, highest revenue producing
>phone of all time. got back from a client yesterday that already had 2,
>but the mother said her 6 year old daughter was crying to get one of her
>own for christmas. wow...
>
>> >> That doesn't look like Apple to me.
>> >
>> > ah, but who is pulling the strings to make this happen. Apple.
>> >
>>
>> Cite?
>
>www.apple.com
>
>and
>
>www.fortune.com
>
>SJ, ranked the most powerful business man in the world...
>
>http://snipurl.com/1uh91
>
>facts can hurt... sorry Cozmic for being so truthful...


Just because a cell phone is the highest revenue producing phone of
all time, doesn't make it the best phone there is. Remember, when it
comes to technology-based products, there are those out there that may
sell a lot, but in the end, they got bad reviews.

Just as an example, look at the original Razr.

Jack Johnson wrote:
> What is Apple going to do when thousands of people need their
> batteries replaced around the same time and these people start
> complaining about not being able to use their phone while they ship it
> to Apple for a battery replacement?

An iPhone owner told me he gets a loaner.

On Dec 1, 8:30 am, Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500, ned beaty <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >The iPhone just got even better!
>
> >http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866
>
> Not new iPhones. IPhones that may come out late in 2008.
>
> There is no 3G iPhone you can go buy.

You can view a video on YouTube of the iPhone loading faster,
displaying faster on EDGE network than a 3G phone. Why, the hardware
and fast memory made the difference. The iphone even now on EDGE is
better than many crap Smartphones loaded with a carriers bloadtware
and crippled on a faster network. That would make many non iPhone
owners in a two year contract CRY.

4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:60d657c2-d4cc-43d6-8633-
[email protected]:

> On Dec 1, 8:30 am, Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500, ned beaty <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >The iPhone just got even better!
>>
>> >http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866
>>
>> Not new iPhones. IPhones that may come out late in 2008.
>>
>> There is no 3G iPhone you can go buy.
>
> You can view a video on YouTube of the iPhone loading faster,
> displaying faster on EDGE network than a 3G phone. Why, the hardware
> and fast memory made the difference. The iphone even now on EDGE is
> better than many crap Smartphones loaded with a carriers bloadtware
> and crippled on a faster network. That would make many non iPhone
> owners in a two year contract CRY.
>

Not even close. Using an accelerator to get to a predetermined site for e
a demo is hardly impressive.

In real life, the iPhone crawsl along in direct comparision to 3g phones.

CozmicDebris wrote:
> Not even close. Using an accelerator to get to a predetermined site for e
> a demo is hardly impressive.
>
> In real life, the iPhone crawsl along in direct comparision to 3g phones.

A good test of the connection speeds would be to tether both to laptop.

Oh wait...can the iPhone even do that?

DTC wrote:
> CozmicDebris wrote:
>> Not even close. Using an accelerator to get to a predetermined site
>> for e a demo is hardly impressive.
>>
>> In real life, the iPhone crawsl along in direct comparision to 3g phones.
>
> A good test of the connection speeds would be to tether both to laptop.
>
> Oh wait...can the iPhone even do that?

One of the reasons that the monthly pricing for the iPhone is relatively
low compared to the cost for a line on AT&T Wireless plus 3G data
(either tethered or using a 3G access device for USB, CardBus, or
ExpressCard) is precisely because it doesn't do 3G. They had to
differentiate between true 3G data plans, and access on devices like the
iPhone.

Some users have managed to tether their iPhone to their computers to use
the EDGE network, but it's quite a hack to get it to work.

When the 3G iPhone does appear in the U.S., it will likely have higher
monthly rates than the current model, especially if tethering is possible.

On Dec 17, 8:11 am, CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> 4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:60d657c2-d4cc-43d6-8633-
> [email protected]:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 1, 8:30 am, Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500, ned beaty <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >The iPhone just got even better!
>
> >> >http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866
>
> >> Not new iPhones. IPhones that may come out late in 2008.
>
> >> There is no 3G iPhone you can go buy.
>
> > You can view a video on YouTube of the iPhone loading faster,
> > displaying faster on EDGE network than a 3G phone. Why, the hardware
> > and fast memory made the difference. The iphone even now on EDGE is
> > better than many crap Smartphones loaded with a carriers bloadtware
> > and crippled on a faster network. That would make many non iPhone
> > owners in a two year contract CRY.
>
> Not even close. Using an accelerator to get to a predetermined site for e
> a demo is hardly impressive.
>
> In real life, the iPhone crawsl along in direct comparision to 3g phones.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What you may not know if that many times my Verizon 3g (Yes I have VZ
3G too.) falls back to 1RX which is the slower Verizon data line. I am
quite close to Atlanta or in downtown Atlanta all day long and it
happens far more frequently then I would like. Verizon's 1 RX outside
of being butt ugly slow is slower then EDGE. AT&T EDGE is 150% faster
than VZN 1RX. Therefore the AT&T iPhones often are connected faster
than my VZN phone which sucks since I am on the faster network with
the Verizon phone. I also carry Nextel which IMHO sucks even on voice
in the holes around here.

4phun <[email protected]> wrote in
news:914341cd-1d26-4cb4-bf67-095e8210e5f3@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 17, 8:11 am, CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>> 4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:60d657c2-d4cc-43d6-8633-
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 1, 8:30 am, Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500, ned beaty <[email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >The iPhone just got even better!
>>
>> >> >http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866
>>
>> >> Not new iPhones. IPhones that may come out late in 2008.
>>
>> >> There is no 3G iPhone you can go buy.
>>
>> > You can view a video on YouTube of the iPhone loading faster,
>> > displaying faster on EDGE network than a 3G phone. Why, the
>> > hardware and fast memory made the difference. The iphone even now
>> > on EDGE is better than many crap Smartphones loaded with a carriers
>> > bloadtware and crippled on a faster network. That would make many
>> > non iPhone owners in a two year contract CRY.
>>
>> Not even close. Using an accelerator to get to a predetermined site
>> for e a demo is hardly impressive.
>>
>> In real life, the iPhone crawsl along in direct comparision to 3g
>> phones.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> What you may not know if that many times my Verizon 3g (Yes I have VZ
> 3G too.) falls back to 1RX which is the slower Verizon data line. I am
> quite close to Atlanta or in downtown Atlanta all day long and it
> happens far more frequently then I would like. Verizon's 1 RX outside
> of being butt ugly slow is slower then EDGE. AT&T EDGE is 150% faster
> than VZN 1RX. Therefore the AT&T iPhones often are connected faster
> than my VZN phone which sucks since I am on the faster network with
> the Verizon phone. I also carry Nextel which IMHO sucks even on voice
> in the holes around here.
>

And in my area I never fall back to 2G technology, as in never. My
datacard allows me to use a wireless network to work almost as fast as
at the office and my phone is quite capable of streaming video and
music. If this thread were still going to the Verizon and Sprint
groups, you'd be in a much better position to gause whether your
experience is the norm or the exception.

And what network are they using in Europe?