Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting2/21/08

4phun wrote:
> T-Mobile Offers Unlimited Plan, Too
> Phone Scoop posted Today, 4:35 PM by Eric M. Zeman
>
> Today T-Mobile also announced that it will offer subscribers an
> unlimited plan for $99 per month. T-Mobile's offering is the only plan
> announced today that includes both voice and messaging services at the
> $99 price point. The new plan will be available beginning February
> 21.
>
> from T-Mobile
>
> The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.

Analysts say Sprint will offer unlimited voice and messaging for between
$60 and $80 in the next few weeks. If Sprint went one further, and
offered unlimited voice and (relatively) unlimited 3G data for $100,
that would really shake things up. What does Sprint have to lose at this
point?

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:46:50 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>4phun wrote:
>> T-Mobile Offers Unlimited Plan, Too
>> Phone Scoop posted Today, 4:35 PM by Eric M. Zeman
>>
>> Today T-Mobile also announced that it will offer subscribers an
>> unlimited plan for $99 per month. T-Mobile's offering is the only plan
>> announced today that includes both voice and messaging services at the
>> $99 price point. The new plan will be available beginning February
>> 21.
>>
>> from T-Mobile
>>
>> The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.
>
>Analysts say Sprint will offer unlimited voice and messaging for between
>$60 and $80 in the next few weeks.

Citation? Oh wait ... you almost never have any ... you mostly just
make stuff up.

>If Sprint went one further, and
>offered unlimited voice and (relatively) unlimited 3G data for $100,
>that would really shake things up. What does Sprint have to lose at this
>point?

It's ass. That would make no sense at all.

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John Navas <[email protected]> writes:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:46:50 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
> wrote in <[email protected]>:
>
>>4phun wrote:
>>> T-Mobile Offers Unlimited Plan, Too
>>> Phone Scoop posted Today, 4:35 PM by Eric M. Zeman
>>>
>>> Today T-Mobile also announced that it will offer subscribers an
>>> unlimited plan for $99 per month. T-Mobile's offering is the only plan
>>> announced today that includes both voice and messaging services at the
>>> $99 price point. The new plan will be available beginning February
>>> 21.
>>>
>>> from T-Mobile
>>>
>>> The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.
>>
>>Analysts say Sprint will offer unlimited voice and messaging for between
>>$60 and $80 in the next few weeks.
>
> Citation? Oh wait ... you almost never have any ... you mostly just
> make stuff up.

John, only you would set a followup to alt.cellular.cingular on a post
that has to do with multiple carriers pricing. :-)

As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
over the headline:

http://www.news.com/Sprint-expected-...l?tag=nefd.top


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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:19:47 -0600, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
>over the headline:

Thanks for the insult.

>http://www.news.com/Sprint-expected-...l?tag=nefd.top

Thanks for that.

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John Navas <[email protected]> writes:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:19:47 -0600, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote in
> <[email protected]>:
>
>>As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
>>over the headline:
>
> Thanks for the insult.

It wasn't meant as an insult, but rather criticism of criticism.

Why be a pain in the ass over a cite when a) you rarely give them
yourself, and b) one for this was exceedingly easy to find?"

>>http://www.news.com/Sprint-expected-...l?tag=nefd.top


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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:01:19 -0500, John Thompson
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Citation? Oh wait ... you almost never have any ... you mostly just
>> make stuff up.
>
>John, you should really stop posting while you're looking in the mirror.

John, you should really learn some manners.

>While we're on the subject, can you provide references to extended GSM
>that you were harping about?

Been there; done that. "Google is your friend."

>And can we see a picture of that phone you're using with extended GSM?

Sure. <http://www.geekz1.com/images/news/SonyEricssonGC82.jpg>

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:01:34 -0600, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>John Navas <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:19:47 -0600, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote in
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>>>As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
>>>over the headline:
>>
>> Thanks for the insult.
>
>It wasn't meant as an insult, but rather criticism of criticism.

It looked like an insult to me, and still does. I've been to several
news sites today, and didn't see anything on this until now. If I had,
then I would not have asked.

>Why be a pain in the ass over a cite when a) you rarely give them
>yourself,

In fact I probably post more links than anyone else here. I just don't
post them over and over.

and b) one for this was exceedingly easy to find?"

I'm not interested in a potential wild goose chase, having been sent on
too many of those already.

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John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> http://www.geekz1.com/images/news/SonyEricssonGC82.jpg

Why does it say EDGE, not Extended GSM?

You ask why ? He is full of BS that's why.
He said a phone. Not a card. Once again John show's his Butt.


"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> http://www.geekz1.com/images/news/SonyEricssonGC82.jpg
>
> Why does it say EDGE, not Extended GSM?
>

Todd H. wrote:
> John Navas <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:19:47 -0600, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote in
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
>>> over the headline:
>> Thanks for the insult.
>
> It wasn't meant as an insult, but rather criticism of criticism.
>
> Why be a pain in the ass over a cite when a) you rarely give them
> yourself, and b) one for this was exceedingly easy to find?"

For such a widely publicized and current news item I didn't see the need
to include a link, but "he who must not be named" isn't happy unless he
has something to complain about. Yet he rarely includes any citations on
anything he posts because when you make up stuff out of thin air it's
tough to find any citations to back you up.

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:23:27 +0000, Larry <[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> http://www.geekz1.com/images/news/SonyEricssonGC82.jpg
>
>Why does it say EDGE, not Extended GSM?

Because EGPRS (EDGE) is the highest class of data service it supports.
Like all EGPRS devices it's also fully compatible with GPRS and GSM,
including Extended Range GSM.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:56:44 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>Todd H. wrote:
>> John Navas <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:19:47 -0600, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote in
>>> <[email protected]>:
>>>
>>>> As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
>>>> over the headline:
>>> Thanks for the insult.
>>
>> It wasn't meant as an insult, but rather criticism of criticism.
>>
>> Why be a pain in the ass over a cite when a) you rarely give them
>> yourself, and b) one for this was exceedingly easy to find?"
>
>For such a widely publicized and current news item I didn't see the need
>to include a link, but "he who must not be named" isn't happy unless he
>has something to complain about. Yet he rarely includes any citations on
>anything he posts because when you make up stuff out of thin air it's
>tough to find any citations to back you up.

That would be you, Steven, as your own admission (lame excuse) makes
clear.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:30:47 -0500, John Thompson
<[email protected]> wrote in
<[email protected]>:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >While we're on the subject, can you provide references to extended GSM
>> >that you were harping about?
>>
>> Been there; done that. "Google is your friend."
>
>Hmmmm.....no, you didn't.

Hmmmm.....yes I did.

>Can you provide those references?

"Google is your friend."

Ancient discussion that I have no interest in wasting more time on.

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At 20 Feb 2008 19:54:21 -0500 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> Google shows nothing that you posted that pointed to references.
>
> Care to share that again, John?


The last time he posted "evidence" of Extended GSM, it was a link to the
Google Groups archive of his original claim!

Occam's razor would suggest a passing cruise ship as a more likely source
of his signal than an as of yet unannounced, and troublesome technology
(the idea of reducing tower capacity by half just so passing yachtsmen 40
miles offshore can make calls is a stretch of logic.)

AT&T's own on-line coverage maps seem to agree with the standard GSM range
limit. If you find an area seemingly served by non-overlapping towers (the
Florida Everglades are ideal for this) the coverage pattern seems to adhere
to the ~20 mile limit.

Even more interesting, everything I've read about Extended Range GSM in the
VERY few places where deployed indicates that GPRS/EDGE data is generally
disabled on ER towers, due to the fact that ER doubles the number of
timeslots needed, making any claim of using "Extended GSM" with a data-only
card even more dubious!

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:07:03 -0700, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote in <[email protected]>:

>At 20 Feb 2008 19:54:21 -0500 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>> Google shows nothing that you posted that pointed to references.
>>
>> Care to share that again, John?
>
>The last time he posted "evidence" of Extended GSM, it was a link to the
>Google Groups archive of his original claim!
>
>Occam's razor would suggest a passing cruise ship as a more likely source

You obviously don't know the area. There are no "passing cruise ships"
with open microcells.

>of his signal than an as of yet unannounced, and troublesome technology
>(the idea of reducing tower capacity by half just so passing yachtsmen 40
>miles offshore can make calls is a stretch of logic.)

Actually makes a good deal of sense. Offshore coverage by AT&T Wireless
along the California coast is quite good. On a recent delivery to
Mexico I had coverage most of the way even when well offshore.

>Even more interesting, everything I've read about Extended Range GSM in the
>VERY few places where deployed indicates that GPRS/EDGE data is generally
>disabled on ER towers, due to the fact that ER doubles the number of
>timeslots needed, making any claim of using "Extended GSM" with a data-only
>card even more dubious!

You obviously don't know the card either.

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