Dallasnews: Apple bites into handheld gaming

Todd Allcock wrote:
>
>> Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've
>> gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them
>> waiting to be returned. When they ask why there returning them over
>> half is battery life.
>
> Strangely enough, I believe both of you! ;-)
>

Don't be that naive, Todd. He only has his (make-believe?) "friend." Never
any actual proof. Even Navas ain't that bad. He said, and I quote, "A phone
with a battery life that sucks and won't last thru a day of use." That
statement is bull****. I am a very heavy user and have no problem making it
through a day--and not down to 10% either.

Visit any iPhone forum--say everythingicafe.com--and see how many people are
*****ing about battery life. Very, very little--unless it's a true defect.
Those kinds of forums breed complaints more than praise, so they should be
overflowing with battery complaints (people don't pop in to say, "everything
was peachy today!"). And give folks more credit: they don't need to have
owned a smartphone before understand that they actually use the iPhone a
heck of a lot more than their prior phone. That said most of the iPhone
users I know did in fact have a smartphone previously, usually more than
one.

Better yet next time you are by an Apple store see how many iPhones are
being returned. Feel free to ask around. If you really feel gutsy ask about
the Beaver's claim... if you don't mind getting laughed outta the store. <g>


--
Mike

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"Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>>> Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've
>>> gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them
>>> waiting to be returned. When they ask why there returning them over
>>> half is battery life.
>>
>> Strangely enough, I believe both of you! ;-)
>>
>
> Don't be that naive, Todd. He only has his (make-believe?) "friend." Never
> any actual proof. Even Navas ain't that bad. He said, and I quote, "A
> phone with a battery life that sucks and won't last thru a day of use."
> That statement is bull****. I am a very heavy user and have no problem
> making it through a day--and not down to 10% either.

I really meant I believe his point about battery life- not the actual
(ridiculous) numbers he throws around. I'm giving him "poetic license" to
exaggerate as to the figures.

His alleged imaginary circle of friends also includes AT&T store employees
as well, IIRC. He's apparently in a unique position to get supporting info
for his claims from both Apple and AT&T stores! ;-)


> Visit any iPhone forum--say everythingicafe.com--and see how many people
> are *****ing about battery life. Very, very little--unless it's a true
> defect. Those kinds of forums breed complaints more than praise, so they
> should be overflowing with battery complaints (people don't pop in to say,
> "everything was peachy today!"). And give folks more credit: they don't
> need to have owned a smartphone before understand that they actually use
> the iPhone a heck of a lot more than their prior phone. That said most of
> the iPhone users I know did in fact have a smartphone previously, usually
> more than one.


I'm just making the point that user expectations vary- my wife, for example
is on her first Smartphone (a T-Mobile Dash WinMo phone.) While she loves
it, the first few months were rough- she was never a heavy phone user, and
constantly forgot to charge the damn thing because she came from phones that
you charged every weekend whether it needed it or not! I, on the other
hand, go back to analog "brick" handhelds that you not only charged every
night, but often "freshened up" over your lunch hour to be sure it made it
to the end of the day!


> Better yet next time you are by an Apple store see how many iPhones are
> being returned. Feel free to ask around. If you really feel gutsy ask
> about the Beaver's claim... if you don't mind getting laughed outta the
> store. <g>

I don't have to- the numbers speak for themselves- the satisfaction surveys
for the iPhone are higher than any phone ever surveyed. I wasn't agreeing
that massive numbers of iPhones are being returned; just that both battery
claims of the iPhone- stellar and poor, are probably valid, based on prior
experience and expectations.

"Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Todd Allcock wrote:
>>
>>> Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've
>>> gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them
>>> waiting to be returned. When they ask why there returning them over
>>> half is battery life.
>>
>> Strangely enough, I believe both of you! ;-)
>>
>
> Don't be that naive, Todd. He only has his (make-believe?) "friend." Never
> any actual proof. Even Navas ain't that bad. He said, and I quote, "A
> phone with a battery life that sucks and won't last thru a day of use."
> That statement is bull****. I am a very heavy user and have no problem
> making it through a day--and not down to 10% either.
>
> Visit any iPhone forum--say everythingicafe.com--and see how many people
> are *****ing about battery life. Very, very little--unless it's a true
> defect. Those kinds of forums breed complaints more than praise, so they
> should be overflowing with battery complaints (people don't pop in to say,
> "everything was peachy today!"). And give folks more credit: they don't
> need to have owned a smartphone before understand that they actually use
> the iPhone a heck of a lot more than their prior phone. That said most of
> the iPhone users I know did in fact have a smartphone previously, usually
> more than one.
>
> Better yet next time you are by an Apple store see how many iPhones are
> being returned. Feel free to ask around. If you really feel gutsy ask
> about the Beaver's claim... if you don't mind getting laughed outta the
> store. <g>
>
>
> --
> Mike
>

Google battery life on the iPhone. What do you see ? People are saying the
same thing. Battery life sucks.

So there all wrong as well ? Only a few have said the battery life is great.
Then again if the device is something you love, you kind of look at it with
closed eyes.

I've used one for a week. Fully charged before going to bed. Not checking
anything thru the web. During the day the phone calls mins were a total of
about 30 mins.I had it set to check email every 30 mins. Battery was warning
20% left 10 hours later.
Bluetooth was used for the 30 min's of calling. But was turned off after.

"Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

> everythingicafe.com

Too funny! Even the forum site has a STORE! sell, Sell, SELL!!

Buy Buy BUY!!

Do you really think a forum RUN BY AN IPHONE STORE is gonna let me post
about how it sucks?!

NOT!

http://store.everythingicafe.com/

Sell me sumthin'! I got cash to BURN!!

Larry wrote:
> "Tinman":
>
>> everythingicafe.com
>
> Too funny! Even the forum site has a STORE! sell, Sell, SELL!!
>
> Buy Buy BUY!!
>
> Do you really think a forum RUN BY AN IPHONE STORE is gonna let me
> post about how it sucks?!
>
> NOT!

Your paranoid delusions aside, yes.


>
> http://store.everythingicafe.com/
>
> Sell me sumthin'! I got cash to BURN!!

No you don't. No one who eats at Waffle House does.



--
Mike

On 3/8/08 10:56 AM, in article
[email protected], "Kevin Weaver"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> 4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:21c64f83-2834-40c0-a997-
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> Spore, one of the most anticipated games of all time,
>>
>> Spore? Games of all times?
>>
>> I wonder how many newspaper pages Apple had to buy to force him to say
>> THAT?!....(c;
>>
>> God that IS funny, though...(c;
>>
>
> Call it what you will. A phone with a battery life that sucks and won't last
> thru a day of use.
You really are showing your lack of knowledge here. Run along, and don't
come back until you have facts, OK?

On 3/8/08 12:44 PM, in article [email protected],
"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> But keep on hating it. People like you need something to hate, obviously.
>>
>>
>
> WE don't "hate it". We merely point out its omissions, design flaws, and
> objectives, a WebTV device that acts like a Box Office in your pocket.
>
Another dweeb spews bull****.

On 3/8/08 12:52 PM, in article
[email protected], "News" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>
> Larry wrote:
>> "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>>> But keep on hating it. People like you need something to hate, obviously.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> WE don't "hate it". We merely point out its omissions, design flaws, and
>> objectives, a WebTV device that acts like a Box Office in your pocket.
>>
>
> Issues that a fanboi might be blind to... for example.
A 'hateboi' observation, no less...

On 3/8/08 3:34 PM, in article [email protected], "Tinman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> News wrote:
>> Larry wrote:
>>>
>>> WE don't "hate it". We merely point out its omissions, design
>>> flaws, and objectives, a WebTV device that acts like a Box Office in
>>> your pocket.
>>
>> Issues that a fanboi might be blind to... for example.
>
> Pooh, the "fanboi" card. So hip.
>
> I love watching you idiots get yer panties in a twist over a device you
> neither own nor know anything about. Too funny...
>
>
It's just that they don't have anything else to do. Sooooo obvious!

On 3/8/08 3:44 PM, in article
[email protected], "News" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>
> Tinman wrote:
>
>> News wrote:
>>
>>> Larry wrote:
>>>
>>>> WE don't "hate it". We merely point out its omissions, design
>>>> flaws, and objectives, a WebTV device that acts like a Box Office in
>>>> your pocket.
>>>
>>> Issues that a fanboi might be blind to... for example.
>>
>>
>> Pooh, the "fanboi" card. So hip.
>>
>> I love watching you idiots get yer panties in a twist over a device you
>> neither own nor know anything about. Too funny...
>>
>
> Pooh, yourself. Fashion victims are too hip. In their own minds...
>
> I've used one, and it pales in comparison to the two year old PocketPC
> GPS GSM phone I continue to use; no, I wouldn't own one.
You are a dinosaur.

On 3/8/08 6:26 PM, in article
[email protected], "Kevin Weaver"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Todd Allcock wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've
>>>> gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them
>>>> waiting to be returned. When they ask why there returning them over
>>>> half is battery life.
>>>
>>> Strangely enough, I believe both of you! ;-)
>>>
>>
>> Don't be that naive, Todd. He only has his (make-believe?) "friend." Never
>> any actual proof. Even Navas ain't that bad. He said, and I quote, "A
>> phone with a battery life that sucks and won't last thru a day of use."
>> That statement is bull****. I am a very heavy user and have no problem
>> making it through a day--and not down to 10% either.
>>
>> Visit any iPhone forum--say everythingicafe.com--and see how many people
>> are *****ing about battery life. Very, very little--unless it's a true
>> defect. Those kinds of forums breed complaints more than praise, so they
>> should be overflowing with battery complaints (people don't pop in to say,
>> "everything was peachy today!"). And give folks more credit: they don't
>> need to have owned a smartphone before understand that they actually use
>> the iPhone a heck of a lot more than their prior phone. That said most of
>> the iPhone users I know did in fact have a smartphone previously, usually
>> more than one.
>>
>> Better yet next time you are by an Apple store see how many iPhones are
>> being returned. Feel free to ask around. If you really feel gutsy ask
>> about the Beaver's claim... if you don't mind getting laughed outta the
>> store. <g>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mike
>>
>
> Google battery life on the iPhone. What do you see ? People are saying the
> same thing. Battery life sucks.
>
> So there all wrong as well ? Only a few have said the battery life is great.
> Then again if the device is something you love, you kind of look at it with
> closed eyes.
>
> I've used one for a week. Fully charged before going to bed. Not checking
> anything thru the web. During the day the phone calls mins were a total of
> about 30 mins.I had it set to check email every 30 mins. Battery was warning
> 20% left 10 hours later.
> Bluetooth was used for the 30 min's of calling. But was turned off after.
>
Take it back. It's a fluke. I get more than 3 hours use and 45+ standby with
bluetooth on. If you are REALLY not lying (which I doubt) you should take it
back. Your report is not the norm.

George Kerby <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following
in news:C3F89F03.4806D%[email protected]:

>
>
>
> On 3/8/08 12:44 PM, in article
> [email protected], "Larry" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> But keep on hating it. People like you need something to hate,
>>> obviously.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> WE don't "hate it". We merely point out its omissions, design flaws,
>> and objectives, a WebTV device that acts like a Box Office in your
>> pocket.
>>
> Another dweeb spews bull****.
>
>

And another fanboi spews his hatred for those that don't drink the koolaid.

George Kerby <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
news:C3F8A08E.48070%[email protected]:

>
>
>
> On 3/8/08 3:44 PM, in article
> [email protected], "News" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Tinman wrote:
>>
>>> News wrote:
>>>
>>>> Larry wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> WE don't "hate it". We merely point out its omissions, design
>>>>> flaws, and objectives, a WebTV device that acts like a Box Office in
>>>>> your pocket.
>>>>
>>>> Issues that a fanboi might be blind to... for example.
>>>
>>>
>>> Pooh, the "fanboi" card. So hip.
>>>
>>> I love watching you idiots get yer panties in a twist over a device you
>>> neither own nor know anything about. Too funny...
>>>
>>
>> Pooh, yourself. Fashion victims are too hip. In their own minds...
>>
>> I've used one, and it pales in comparison to the two year old PocketPC
>> GPS GSM phone I continue to use; no, I wouldn't own one.
> You are a dinosaur.
>
>

And you're a lemming.

"George Kerby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:C3F8A149.48072%[email protected]...
>
>
>
> On 3/8/08 6:26 PM, in article
> [email protected], "Kevin Weaver"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Todd Allcock wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've
>>>>> gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them
>>>>> waiting to be returned. When they ask why there returning them over
>>>>> half is battery life.
>>>>
>>>> Strangely enough, I believe both of you! ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't be that naive, Todd. He only has his (make-believe?) "friend."
>>> Never
>>> any actual proof. Even Navas ain't that bad. He said, and I quote, "A
>>> phone with a battery life that sucks and won't last thru a day of use."
>>> That statement is bull****. I am a very heavy user and have no problem
>>> making it through a day--and not down to 10% either.
>>>
>>> Visit any iPhone forum--say everythingicafe.com--and see how many people
>>> are *****ing about battery life. Very, very little--unless it's a true
>>> defect. Those kinds of forums breed complaints more than praise, so they
>>> should be overflowing with battery complaints (people don't pop in to
>>> say,
>>> "everything was peachy today!"). And give folks more credit: they don't
>>> need to have owned a smartphone before understand that they actually use
>>> the iPhone a heck of a lot more than their prior phone. That said most
>>> of
>>> the iPhone users I know did in fact have a smartphone previously,
>>> usually
>>> more than one.
>>>
>>> Better yet next time you are by an Apple store see how many iPhones are
>>> being returned. Feel free to ask around. If you really feel gutsy ask
>>> about the Beaver's claim... if you don't mind getting laughed outta the
>>> store. <g>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike
>>>
>>
>> Google battery life on the iPhone. What do you see ? People are saying
>> the
>> same thing. Battery life sucks.
>>
>> So there all wrong as well ? Only a few have said the battery life is
>> great.
>> Then again if the device is something you love, you kind of look at it
>> with
>> closed eyes.
>>
>> I've used one for a week. Fully charged before going to bed. Not checking
>> anything thru the web. During the day the phone calls mins were a total
>> of
>> about 30 mins.I had it set to check email every 30 mins. Battery was
>> warning
>> 20% left 10 hours later.
>> Bluetooth was used for the 30 min's of calling. But was turned off after.
>>
> Take it back. It's a fluke. I get more than 3 hours use and 45+ standby
> with
> bluetooth on. If you are REALLY not lying (which I doubt) you should take
> it
> back. Your report is not the norm.
>

I told my friend of my findings. He was not interested at all. Nothing could
split him from his iphone. I asked him if this happens to him. He said
sometimes, but he is in his cube all day with it in its docking cradle being
charged. His wife told me it's always docked when he is home. She used it
for a few days to see if she wanted one herself. She loved it but in short,
was finding it was needing to be charged every night. She is used to going
almost a week with here L-7 Moto.

The apple store sold a guy a iphone, He brought back 3 of them. They always
said no problem try another one. After the 3rd one he was offered a 4th. But
gave up after the 3rd. Maybe that run of batteries were bad. Apple said
they did not think so. but was willing to do what ever it took. I have to
give them that.

"Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Todd Allcock wrote:
>>
>>> Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've
>>> gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them
>>> waiting to be returned. When they ask why there returning them over
>>> half is battery life.
>>
>> Strangely enough, I believe both of you! ;-)
>>
>
> Don't be that naive, Todd. He only has his (make-believe?) "friend." Never
> any actual proof. Even Navas ain't that bad. He said, and I quote, "A
> phone with a battery life that sucks and won't last thru a day of use."
> That statement is bull****. I am a very heavy user and have no problem
> making it through a day--and not down to 10% either.
>
> Visit any iPhone forum--say everythingicafe.com--and see how many people
> are *****ing about battery life. Very, very little--unless it's a true
> defect. Those kinds of forums breed complaints more than praise, so they
> should be overflowing with battery complaints (people don't pop in to say,
> "everything was peachy today!"). And give folks more credit: they don't
> need to have owned a smartphone before understand that they actually use
> the iPhone a heck of a lot more than their prior phone. That said most of
> the iPhone users I know did in fact have a smartphone previously, usually
> more than one.
>
> Better yet next time you are by an Apple store see how many iPhones are
> being returned. Feel free to ask around. If you really feel gutsy ask
> about the Beaver's claim... if you don't mind getting laughed outta the
> store. <g>
>
>
> --
> Mike
>

So were just to take your word but not mine ? Google Iphone battery life.
See for yourself. If I were the only one saying what I've said, then it
might be BS. All I'm saying is that I've used a friends and what another
that works in a company apple store told me after I saw lots of them being
returned.

He just goes by what the buyer has said what the problem is to enter into
the company database. I could care less. I don't own one. My Treo polls
email every 20mins and surfs at 3G not EDGE. Has Bluetooth. Battery lasts
about two days.
The battery they use in the iPhone is longer lasting technology then what
the treo uses.

Wait till they add 3G to the iPhone. That battery will be Toast. Unless they
add a battery door where the user can swap them out as needed.

Apple blames the battery door would cause extra size to be added to the
phone. That is a lie. If any would be added it would be less then a 1/16 If
that. Look at any slim phone. they have battery doors that can be removed.
Look at the size of the Razr which has a battery door. They could have made
one but they wont. And we all know why they opt out on that one.