Dallasnews: Apple bites into handheld gaming

"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in message

>> Zero credibility.
>>
>> My iPhone lasts much longer than my last smartphone, and that is with
>> Bluetooth and WiFi on 24/7. And my last smartphone didn't even have WiFi.
>>
>> But keep on hating it. People like you need something to hate, obviously.

> Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've gone
> there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them waiting to
> be returned. When they ask why there returning them over half is battery
> life.

Strangely enough, I believe both of you! ;-)

I think the disconnect is in customer expectation. To folks (like Tinman
and I, perhaps) who have used a variety of Smartphones with traditionally
crappy battery life, an iPhone lasting 24-48 hours on a charge becomes an
amazing feat- even a mythical one if the WiFi's left on! My current WinMo
phone running BT and Exchange Push constantly, but WiFi off (unless I'm
surfing the web or streaming), gets 12-18 hours under normal use (an two+
hours a day of e-mailing, surfing, Usenet, and/or calling) maybe 24 hours if
I'm too busy to use it as a PDA that day. (At 11:00pm last night I was down
to 30% of battery life.)

But, I doubt most iPhone owners are prior smartphone users. I suspect most
are first-time PDA/MP3 phone customers, and they're used to getting a week
of standby from their RAZRs or Nokia candybars, so a phone that needs
charging nightly is horrific to them. I suspect those returning an iPhone
over battery issues would've returned a Treo, a Q, or a Tilt just as
quickly.

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Kevin Weaver wrote:
> Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've
> gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them
> waiting to be returned. When they ask why there returning them over
> half is battery life.

Yea, "your friend," fourth-hand, etc., etc.

Like I said, zero credibility.


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Mike

Larry wrote:
>
>> But keep on hating it. People like you need something to hate,
>> obviously.
>>
>>
>
> WE don't "hate it".

What's this "we" ****? You weren't in that group. Your opinion means so
little it's irrelevant.

Go back to ogling the toothless wonders at Waffle House... I'm sure you're a
big man over there. <chuckle>



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Mike

News wrote:
> Larry wrote:
>>
>> WE don't "hate it". We merely point out its omissions, design
>> flaws, and objectives, a WebTV device that acts like a Box Office in
>> your pocket.
>
> Issues that a fanboi might be blind to... for example.

Pooh, the "fanboi" card. So hip.

I love watching you idiots get yer panties in a twist over a device you
neither own nor know anything about. Too funny...



--
Mike

Tinman wrote:

> News wrote:
>
>>Larry wrote:
>>
>>>WE don't "hate it". We merely point out its omissions, design
>>>flaws, and objectives, a WebTV device that acts like a Box Office in
>>>your pocket.
>>
>>Issues that a fanboi might be blind to... for example.
>
>
> Pooh, the "fanboi" card. So hip.
>
> I love watching you idiots get yer panties in a twist over a device you
> neither own nor know anything about. Too funny...
>

Pooh, yourself. Fashion victims are too hip. In their own minds...

I've used one, and it pales in comparison to the two year old PocketPC
GPS GSM phone I continue to use; no, I wouldn't own one.

Todd Allcock wrote:
>
>> Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've
>> gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them
>> waiting to be returned. When they ask why there returning them over
>> half is battery life.
>
> Strangely enough, I believe both of you! ;-)
>

Don't be that naive, Todd. He only has his (make-believe?) "friend." Never
any actual proof. Even Navas ain't that bad. He said, and I quote, "A phone
with a battery life that sucks and won't last thru a day of use." That
statement is bull****. I am a very heavy user and have no problem making it
through a day--and not down to 10% either.

Visit any iPhone forum--say everythingicafe.com--and see how many people are
*****ing about battery life. Very, very little--unless it's a true defect.
Those kinds of forums breed complaints more than praise, so they should be
overflowing with battery complaints (people don't pop in to say, "everything
was peachy today!"). And give folks more credit: they don't need to have
owned a smartphone before understand that they actually use the iPhone a
heck of a lot more than their prior phone. That said most of the iPhone
users I know did in fact have a smartphone previously, usually more than
one.

Better yet next time you are by an Apple store see how many iPhones are
being returned. Feel free to ask around. If you really feel gutsy ask about
the Beaver's claim... if you don't mind getting laughed outta the store. <g>


--
Mike

"Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in message
news:63gg5eF2770ltU1@mid.individual.net...

>>> Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've
>>> gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them
>>> waiting to be returned. When they ask why there returning them over
>>> half is battery life.
>>
>> Strangely enough, I believe both of you! ;-)
>>
>
> Don't be that naive, Todd. He only has his (make-believe?) "friend." Never
> any actual proof. Even Navas ain't that bad. He said, and I quote, "A
> phone with a battery life that sucks and won't last thru a day of use."
> That statement is bull****. I am a very heavy user and have no problem
> making it through a day--and not down to 10% either.

I really meant I believe his point about battery life- not the actual
(ridiculous) numbers he throws around. I'm giving him "poetic license" to
exaggerate as to the figures.

His alleged imaginary circle of friends also includes AT&T store employees
as well, IIRC. He's apparently in a unique position to get supporting info
for his claims from both Apple and AT&T stores! ;-)


> Visit any iPhone forum--say everythingicafe.com--and see how many people
> are *****ing about battery life. Very, very little--unless it's a true
> defect. Those kinds of forums breed complaints more than praise, so they
> should be overflowing with battery complaints (people don't pop in to say,
> "everything was peachy today!"). And give folks more credit: they don't
> need to have owned a smartphone before understand that they actually use
> the iPhone a heck of a lot more than their prior phone. That said most of
> the iPhone users I know did in fact have a smartphone previously, usually
> more than one.


I'm just making the point that user expectations vary- my wife, for example
is on her first Smartphone (a T-Mobile Dash WinMo phone.) While she loves
it, the first few months were rough- she was never a heavy phone user, and
constantly forgot to charge the damn thing because she came from phones that
you charged every weekend whether it needed it or not! I, on the other
hand, go back to analog "brick" handhelds that you not only charged every
night, but often "freshened up" over your lunch hour to be sure it made it
to the end of the day!


> Better yet next time you are by an Apple store see how many iPhones are
> being returned. Feel free to ask around. If you really feel gutsy ask
> about the Beaver's claim... if you don't mind getting laughed outta the
> store. <g>

I don't have to- the numbers speak for themselves- the satisfaction surveys
for the iPhone are higher than any phone ever surveyed. I wasn't agreeing
that massive numbers of iPhones are being returned; just that both battery
claims of the iPhone- stellar and poor, are probably valid, based on prior
experience and expectations.

"Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in message
news:63gg5eF2770ltU1@mid.individual.net...
> Todd Allcock wrote:
>>
>>> Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've
>>> gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them
>>> waiting to be returned. When they ask why there returning them over
>>> half is battery life.
>>
>> Strangely enough, I believe both of you! ;-)
>>
>
> Don't be that naive, Todd. He only has his (make-believe?) "friend." Never
> any actual proof. Even Navas ain't that bad. He said, and I quote, "A
> phone with a battery life that sucks and won't last thru a day of use."
> That statement is bull****. I am a very heavy user and have no problem
> making it through a day--and not down to 10% either.
>
> Visit any iPhone forum--say everythingicafe.com--and see how many people
> are *****ing about battery life. Very, very little--unless it's a true
> defect. Those kinds of forums breed complaints more than praise, so they
> should be overflowing with battery complaints (people don't pop in to say,
> "everything was peachy today!"). And give folks more credit: they don't
> need to have owned a smartphone before understand that they actually use
> the iPhone a heck of a lot more than their prior phone. That said most of
> the iPhone users I know did in fact have a smartphone previously, usually
> more than one.
>
> Better yet next time you are by an Apple store see how many iPhones are
> being returned. Feel free to ask around. If you really feel gutsy ask
> about the Beaver's claim... if you don't mind getting laughed outta the
> store. <g>
>
>
> --
> Mike
>

Google battery life on the iPhone. What do you see ? People are saying the
same thing. Battery life sucks.

So there all wrong as well ? Only a few have said the battery life is great.
Then again if the device is something you love, you kind of look at it with
closed eyes.

I've used one for a week. Fully charged before going to bed. Not checking
anything thru the web. During the day the phone calls mins were a total of
about 30 mins.I had it set to check email every 30 mins. Battery was warning
20% left 10 hours later.
Bluetooth was used for the 30 min's of calling. But was turned off after.

"Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in news:63gg5eF2770ltU1@mid.individual.net:

> everythingicafe.com

Too funny! Even the forum site has a STORE! sell, Sell, SELL!!

Buy Buy BUY!!

Do you really think a forum RUN BY AN IPHONE STORE is gonna let me post
about how it sucks?!

NOT!

http://store.everythingicafe.com/

Sell me sumthin'! I got cash to BURN!!

Larry wrote:
> "Tinman":
>
>> everythingicafe.com
>
> Too funny! Even the forum site has a STORE! sell, Sell, SELL!!
>
> Buy Buy BUY!!
>
> Do you really think a forum RUN BY AN IPHONE STORE is gonna let me
> post about how it sucks?!
>
> NOT!

Your paranoid delusions aside, yes.


>
> http://store.everythingicafe.com/
>
> Sell me sumthin'! I got cash to BURN!!

No you don't. No one who eats at Waffle House does.



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Mike