iPhone vs. Nokia N800 and N95

Of course the iPhone blows both away, but for those who want to see
these great Nokia phones that the iphone hating trolls keep talking
about watch the videos supplied by the web site. It must suck being
suckered into spending such money on a "tablet" that is so bulky and
hard to use (you actually need a stylus!) that it must be madding. Oh
yea, did I also mention that the N800 it's NOT a phone! just a run of
the mill PDA. It is no wonder these guys are jealous of us iPhone users.


http://www.atmasphere.net/wp/archive...mparison-iphon
e-vs-nokia-n95-and-n800

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <blaine-8D4DB8.13030616032008@news.giganews.com>,
> Blaine Stepler <blaine@nomail.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Oh
>>yea, did I also mention that the N800 it's NOT a phone! just a run of
>>the mill PDA. It is no wonder these guys are jealous of us iPhone users.
>
>
> I don't use an N800, and I'm not in the least jealous of a phone that
> can't even sync wirelessly.
>


Not to mention doesn't have A-GPS, etc., etc.

"Blaine Stepler" <blaine@nomail.net> wrote in message
news:blaine-8D4DB8.13030616032008@news.giganews.com...
> Of course the iPhone blows both away, but for those who want to see
> these great Nokia phones that the iphone hating trolls keep talking
> about watch the videos supplied by the web site. It must suck being
> suckered into spending such money on a "tablet" that is so bulky and
> hard to use (you actually need a stylus!) that it must be madding. Oh
> yea, did I also mention that the N800 it's NOT a phone! just a run of
> the mill PDA. It is no wonder these guys are jealous of us iPhone users.
>
>
> http://www.atmasphere.net/wp/archive...mparison-iphon
> e-vs-nokia-n95-and-n800

I don't know why anyone would be jealous of iphone users. If they like the
product, they could also become iphone users. I don't get why iphone users
think everyone would want what the iphone has to offer. I want a small flip
phone, to use as a phone, not a deck of cards sized thing that I have to put
my dirty fingerprints all over to make it work. I would however be
interested in a small internet tablet with a really nice display, for other
uses than making phone calls. The N800 seems pretty nice in that respect,
although I think I'd like a display even a tad larger.

Blaine Stepler <blaine@nomail.net> wrote in news:blaine-
8D4DB8.13030616032008@news.giganews.com:

> Oh
> yea, did I also mention that the N800 it's NOT a phone! just a run of
> the mill PDA. It is no wonder these guys are jealous of us iPhone users.
>

Boy, are YOU in for a shock! What's your number? I call you from the N800
on MANY of its many comm centers. Got video on Googletalk? We can see
what you look like on the video channels.

Tell ya what....I call you on Skype over Alltel, just to make it fair,
while cruising 70mph down the interstate. Let's talk 5 hours on Monday
morning starting at 9AM, just to see how reliable it is (eating up YOUR
airtime, not mine). Skype has its own phone number ($24/year/number) so
the tablet can TAKE calls just as well as make calls. One of my numbers is
in Charleston, SC, USA. The other is in London, England. I can have 10
numbers on my "sellphone". How many does the iPhone support?

No problem....gotcha covered. Hey, call my Skype and I'll swap some movies
with ya, tablet to iPhone! Texting as long as you like, in realtime, is,
of course, FREE, not 20 cents for every 156 characters on your SELLphone.

Not bad for a "Run of the mill PDA". Oh, you got that part right, too!
The N800 runs all the Palm software under the Garnet Virtual Machine, which
lets it run all the Palm OS stuff, if you like....like a PDA! It even
connects via Ethernet, USB or Bluetooth to Palm Desktop on my PC...(c;

Well, lemme know when you wanna talk.....

Sheeeeet....(c;

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A63A78313316noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> Blaine Stepler <blaine@nomail.net> wrote in news:blaine-
> 8D4DB8.13030616032008@news.giganews.com:
>
>> Oh
>> yea, did I also mention that the N800 it's NOT a phone! just a run of
>> the mill PDA. It is no wonder these guys are jealous of us iPhone users.
>>
>
> Boy, are YOU in for a shock! What's your number? I call you from the
> N800
> on MANY of its many comm centers. Got video on Googletalk? We can see
> what you look like on the video channels.
>
> Tell ya what....I call you on Skype over Alltel, just to make it fair,
> while cruising 70mph down the interstate. Let's talk 5 hours on Monday
> morning starting at 9AM, just to see how reliable it is (eating up YOUR
> airtime, not mine). Skype has its own phone number ($24/year/number) so
> the tablet can TAKE calls just as well as make calls. One of my numbers
> is
> in Charleston, SC, USA. The other is in London, England. I can have 10
> numbers on my "sellphone". How many does the iPhone support?
>
> No problem....gotcha covered. Hey, call my Skype and I'll swap some
> movies
> with ya, tablet to iPhone! Texting as long as you like, in realtime, is,
> of course, FREE, not 20 cents for every 156 characters on your SELLphone.
>
> Not bad for a "Run of the mill PDA". Oh, you got that part right, too!
> The N800 runs all the Palm software under the Garnet Virtual Machine,
> which
> lets it run all the Palm OS stuff, if you like....like a PDA! It even
> connects via Ethernet, USB or Bluetooth to Palm Desktop on my PC...(c;
>
> Well, lemme know when you wanna talk.....
>
> Sheeeeet....(c;

How do you connect to the internet with the N800 when not in a wifi zone?
>

"RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in news:47dd7d1b$0$25048$607ed4bc@cv.net:

> The N800 seems pretty nice in that respect,
> although I think I'd like a display even a tad larger.
>
>

Asus has a nice one, about halfway between the N800 and the small
laptops.

http://event.asus.com/eeepc/microsites/en/index.htm

You can get it with Linux or Windows. Asus is committed to the open
source community. Verrry tempting...(c;

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8695263477.html

It's a MUCH better Linux machine than it is Windows XP because of the
Windows Bloatware problem. It has 4 or 8 GB of solid state hard drive,
which is hardly enough to run WinXP and some apps. On Linux, it's a
vast space, as is the Nokia N800. Hell, on the N800, the HUGE apps like
Gnumeric Spreadsheet or Abiword full-featured word processor are only a
couple of megabytes in size...the whole app! The Unix/Linux ideas of
sharing libraries, instead of each application repeating over and over
almost the same functions in each of them, makes MUCH better use of
storage, especially on small devices like these. N800 only has 128MB of
RAM to eat the battery, unlike a laptop's gigabytes, an multitasks lots
of things without running out of memory. I've never seen mine to go the
internal 32GB SDHC Turbo card, where I have it configured for another
128MB of virtual RAM, if it ever needs it. If it did it, I couldn't
detect it.

I was tempted by the eee before I found the N800, which is better for
me. The 800 pixel wide 4.25" screen really IS wide enough to watch
movies, webpages and do useful things on without making your head ache.
I'm farsighted, making it harder to use, so have a very high powered
reading glasses so I can get close to it without losing focus. At a
foot distance, the movie is as wide as a 54" LCD TV across the room.
It's about perception...(c; The pixels are way too small to detect,
even that close. The pictures are beautiful!

Check out the Asus, even the WinXP version, if you're not into learning
the GUIs associated, now, with Linux. After a little experimenting,
these new Linux machines are EASIER to use than Windows! For instance,
upgrading all the apps to the latest version in Maemo Linux on the N800
is done all at once by the Application Manager in ONE CLICK! The
hackers didn't like having to upgrade the libraries, so they invented a
single app that stays in the App Manager's update window, completely
automating the process....while you sleep if you like!

Linux isn't just for nerds, any more.

"RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in news:47dd840f$0$25040$607ed4bc@cv.net:

> How do you connect to the internet with the N800 when not in a wifi
zone?
>

Bluetooth DUN to my Motorola Z6m sellphone on Alltel. $25/mo for
UNLIMITED data service with no funny business on EVDO. I usually get
about 800-1000Kbps except during busy business days downtown when the
lawyers are hitting it pretty hard. It's always fast enough for Skype's
110Kbps load during the calls. Because my cable bandwidth is usually
hosed by the music and movie downloading 24/7, I just leave the tablet
connected to the phone, even at home. With the BT link, I can use the
tablet anywhere in the house while the phone is charging on my desk.

The N800 also will connect to the internal card on the Z6m via OBEX or
FTP if you want. The Z6m has a 2GB microSD in it. N800 won't play the
music on the phone without downloading it first, though.

Sometimes I just want the phone with me so put my fav music on the 2GB
card then use the Motorola S9 BT headphones and the phone's Music Player
to play them, without having the tablet with me....inside the mall or
some retailer, comes to mind. The S9 is a fantastic stereo headset, as
well as a phone headphone. the music, even from the little sellphone
sounds fantastic. I just bought a Sony TMR-BT10 Bluetooth transmitter
so I can use it as a Bluetooth broadcaster for the tablet and my other
music sources, PC, my old MP3 players, anything that has a headphone
jack. BT is FAR better than any of the little FM transmitters that
really suck in clarity and fidelity, being analog. BT audio transfers
with bit accuracy! Now I can have wireless BT headphones hooked to any
source, BT or not...(c;

I posted my findings to alt.cellular about the little transmitter.....

I carry a LOT of music and movies in the 32GB SDHC Class 6 Turbo cards
in the tablet. Since I started using the Media Converter the Linux boys
wrote for the Linux tablets, it has reduced the size of the files to
around 380K and I can carry a LOT of movies, right onboard. The files
look perfect on the 800 pixel screen and I can't detect the difference
between the converted MP4 files against the tablet playing the original
DivX 700 to 1.4GB movies downloaded from alt.binaries.movies.divx on
usenet. I just last week took out the two 8GB SDHC cards and put them
into "reserve" when I found 16GB SDHC Class 6 Turbo cards for $59 on
Newegg.com. The PSP carrying case I put the N800, Nokia folding full
keyboard, GPS receiver brick in has little pockets perfect for my old
cards. I might find something I want while out, so I also carry a
Sandisk SD to USB adapter because these large cards are not supported by
laptops and some desktop computers. They all support the cards when the
USB adapter converts them to an external hard drive the PC/Laptop can
understand and support. Now I have two more 8GB cards "surplus"....(c;

(..and if you put the porn on an extra card, you don't have to worry
about someone finding it by accident in the tablet!...how embarrassing)

Wifi is faster, of course, and available in a lot of places around here,
but I'm not in the dark if it's not.....it just slows me down to
1Kbps...(c; The tablet autoconnects to the phone when you boot it, then
you click the connection icon and "CHANGE CONNECTIONS", which set its
wifi off searching for victims to exploit. The N800 will CONNECT and
USE wifi hotspots my nice Gateway wide-screen notebook DOESN'T EVEN
DETECT! It's got one HOT wifi transceiver in it! I play in other
people's yachts. I'll be sitting at the chart table in my friend
Geoffrey's 41' Amel ketch with internet on the tablet. His fancy Dell
laptop doesn't even see the marina's weak free wifi signal....He has to
go up on deck to use it. Poor Dell, he called 'em to ask why...(c;

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A63B0DE6A404noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> "RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in news:47dd840f$0$25040$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>
>> How do you connect to the internet with the N800 when not in a wifi
> zone?
>>
>
> Bluetooth DUN to my Motorola Z6m sellphone on Alltel. $25/mo for
> UNLIMITED data service with no funny business on EVDO. I usually get
> about 800-1000Kbps except during busy business days downtown when the
> lawyers are hitting it pretty hard. It's always fast enough for Skype's
> 110Kbps load during the calls. Because my cable bandwidth is usually
> hosed by the music and movie downloading 24/7, I just leave the tablet
> connected to the phone, even at home. With the BT link, I can use the
> tablet anywhere in the house while the phone is charging on my desk.
>
> The N800 also will connect to the internal card on the Z6m via OBEX or
> FTP if you want. The Z6m has a 2GB microSD in it. N800 won't play the
> music on the phone without downloading it first, though.
>
> Sometimes I just want the phone with me so put my fav music on the 2GB
> card then use the Motorola S9 BT headphones and the phone's Music Player
> to play them, without having the tablet with me....inside the mall or
> some retailer, comes to mind. The S9 is a fantastic stereo headset, as
> well as a phone headphone. the music, even from the little sellphone
> sounds fantastic. I just bought a Sony TMR-BT10 Bluetooth transmitter
> so I can use it as a Bluetooth broadcaster for the tablet and my other
> music sources, PC, my old MP3 players, anything that has a headphone
> jack. BT is FAR better than any of the little FM transmitters that
> really suck in clarity and fidelity, being analog. BT audio transfers
> with bit accuracy! Now I can have wireless BT headphones hooked to any
> source, BT or not...(c;
>
> I posted my findings to alt.cellular about the little transmitter.....
>
> I carry a LOT of music and movies in the 32GB SDHC Class 6 Turbo cards
> in the tablet. Since I started using the Media Converter the Linux boys
> wrote for the Linux tablets, it has reduced the size of the files to
> around 380K and I can carry a LOT of movies, right onboard. The files
> look perfect on the 800 pixel screen and I can't detect the difference
> between the converted MP4 files against the tablet playing the original
> DivX 700 to 1.4GB movies downloaded from alt.binaries.movies.divx on
> usenet. I just last week took out the two 8GB SDHC cards and put them
> into "reserve" when I found 16GB SDHC Class 6 Turbo cards for $59 on
> Newegg.com. The PSP carrying case I put the N800, Nokia folding full
> keyboard, GPS receiver brick in has little pockets perfect for my old
> cards. I might find something I want while out, so I also carry a
> Sandisk SD to USB adapter because these large cards are not supported by
> laptops and some desktop computers. They all support the cards when the
> USB adapter converts them to an external hard drive the PC/Laptop can
> understand and support. Now I have two more 8GB cards "surplus"....(c;
>
> (..and if you put the porn on an extra card, you don't have to worry
> about someone finding it by accident in the tablet!...how embarrassing)
>
> Wifi is faster, of course, and available in a lot of places around here,
> but I'm not in the dark if it's not.....it just slows me down to
> 1Kbps...(c; The tablet autoconnects to the phone when you boot it, then
> you click the connection icon and "CHANGE CONNECTIONS", which set its
> wifi off searching for victims to exploit. The N800 will CONNECT and
> USE wifi hotspots my nice Gateway wide-screen notebook DOESN'T EVEN
> DETECT! It's got one HOT wifi transceiver in it! I play in other
> people's yachts. I'll be sitting at the chart table in my friend
> Geoffrey's 41' Amel ketch with internet on the tablet. His fancy Dell
> laptop doesn't even see the marina's weak free wifi signal....He has to
> go up on deck to use it. Poor Dell, he called 'em to ask why...(c;

Sounds great, I'm holding my breath waiting for VZW to come out with a $25
data plan like Alltel
>
>
>

"RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in news:47dd9279$0$25053$607ed4bc@cv.net:

> Sounds great, I'm holding my breath waiting for VZW to come out with a
> $25 data plan like Alltel
>>
>

Back to your original point of this thread, someone over in
alt.cellular.nokia, who I suppose didn't see this thread, posted this
website for the Nokia mobile fans....mostly Symbian Linux.

There's 19 PAGES of games to play on an N-series sellphone!

http://www.downloadrange.com/

Silly Nokia. Open source free software from a world of Linux
geniuses....how silly is that?

At 16 Mar 2008 20:45:19 +0000 Larry wrote:

> Asus has a nice one, about halfway between the N800 and the small
> laptops.
>
> http://event.asus.com/eeepc/microsites/en/index.htm
>
> You can get it with Linux or Windows. Asus is committed to the open
> source community. Verrry tempting...(c;

I picked one up just a few days ago. It's a cute toy. A little cheesily
constructed, but what do you expect for $350? (For example, the space bar
only works if you press it in the center- the "bar" plastic is so flimsy
that pressing either side bows that end down without depressing the
keyswitch mounted in the center!)


> It's a MUCH better Linux machine than it is Windows XP because of the
> Windows Bloatware problem.


Actually many prefer XP to the included Xandros Linux because Asus
(stupidly) doesn't provide a Linux virtual display driver to pan a larger
desktop or virtualize a higher-res in the 800x480 display.

Following Asus' (very good) XP install instructions, you can pare down a
full XP install to about 2G. (Which is roughly what the Xandros install is
using, but it includes Thunderbird, Open Office, SMplayer and more preloaded.



> It has 4 or 8 GB of solid state hard drive,
> which is hardly enough to run WinXP and some apps.

I'm planning on converting to XP this week. I stuck a $30 8GB SDHC in the
included SD slot to use as a "D drive" and will move the My Documents folder,

IE cache and most software there, leaving the 4GB Flash drive for Windows
and the swap file.


> I was tempted by the eee before I found the N800, which is better for
> me. The 800 pixel wide 4.25" screen really IS wide enough to watch
> movies, webpages and do useful things on without making your head ache.

My WinMo phone works for me. I bought the eee for the kids. 3 kids and
one laptop was bad math. The eee will work for the web-based games for the
little one (Nick Jr, Barbie, Sesame Street websites' flash-based games) and
the older ones can use the CD/DVD-based laptop and desktops.

Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:frnjdv$onn$1@aioe.org:

> I'm planning on converting to XP this week. I stuck a $30 8GB SDHC in
> the included SD slot to use as a "D drive" and will move the My
> Documents folder,
>
>

Newegg.com has 16GB SDHC Class 6 Turbo cards from A-Data for $59+shipping.
I'm using two of them in the N800. That's really cheap! Panasonic
recently came out with 32GB SDHC cards so 16GB card prices are falling
fast. Lifetime warrantee. This memory seems faster than my 8GB cards
were. Works great.

32GB is $499....(cough, choke, puke)

Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:frnjdv$onn$1@aioe.org:

> I'm planning on converting to XP this week. I stuck a $30 8GB SDHC in
> the included SD slot to use as a "D drive" and will move the My
> Documents folder,
>
>

Notice one review on that page says it works great in his eee PC, too!